Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: Morethanluck on February 27, 2009, 21:25:20 PM
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I've never tried this before, but I'd be interested in comments on the following hand. I'll only post pre-flop at this stage.
There are approximately 750 people left from 4,750 in $15k Guaranteed PokerStars tournament. I'm slightly below average chips with 14.4k, but have approximately 25 big blinds so I'm not desperate. I'm Hero. I finished second in the same tournament two weeks ago with 5,000 starters and am looking for another deep run.
Csatiaor has been playing VPIP 16 PFR 13, but I only have 30 hands on him (he pushed on me earlier and I folded). Torereraise is 26/16 after 50 hands. He has put down a couple of hands and folded when he thought he was in a coin flip fairly recently (or at least that's what he said).
I am under the gun.
PokerStars Game #25417650115: Tournament #142279376, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/02/27 20:42:29 GMT [2009/02/27 15:42:29 ET
Table "142279376 115" 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: csatiúr (12570 in chips)
Seat 2: iulluision11 (10102 in chips)
Seat 3: onthefelt2 (4058 in chips)
Seat 4: ebner (5030 in chips)
Seat 5: Toreraise (27449 in chips)
Seat 6: marysboy (57120 in chips)
Seat 7: metalo (3200 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (14378 in chips)
Seat 9: chantago (3545 in chips)
csatiúr: posts the ante 50
iulluision11: posts the ante 50
onthefelt2: posts the ante 50
ebner: posts the ante 50
Toreraise: posts the ante 50
marysboy: posts the ante 50
metalo: posts the ante 50
Hero: posts the ante 50
chantago: posts the ante 50
marysboy: posts small blind 300
metalo: posts big blind 600
Hole Cards (Hero) qc qh
Hero: raises 733 to 1333
chantago: folds
csatiúr: raises 11187 to 12520 and is all-in
iulluision11: folds
onthefelt2: folds
ebner: folds
Toreraise: calls 12520 (another 15k behind, but he has me covered)
marysboy: folds
metalo: folds
What do I do?
Any comments greatly appreciated. Results to follow.
Many thanks.
Craig
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fold
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fold
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fold
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Insta-fold
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fold - if you were desperate for chips 5BB or less then maybe call - you"d need at least kings to carry on imo
just last night in live £10 rebuy tourney i was playing
UTG raised 50/100BB to 350
mid position all in for 1500
me on button - i looked and came up with aces - should i shove or call?
i shoved for 2.5k, as i always try to just isolate 1 player pre flop - i hate going up with 2 or more opponents
UTG thought for a while and mucked pocket kings face up but said even if i only called the all in he"d still probably fold
mid position, all in had pocket 3"s and board came
3,K,4 flop - glad i isolated and managed at leats one fold but at least i had chips left
q turn
ACE river
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Try not to be results oriented - you made the right play in the circumstances. Most of the time, you are going to be behind in that spot, and the fold is perfectly acceptable.
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Cheers Steve. I"ve been playing around with Poker Stove and it could be argued I should have made the call if I have the first guy on something like 99+ AQ+ even if the second guy is on a much tighter range of say KK+ AK. However I don"t like flipping for my tournament life (best case) and felt that the second guy (based on previous play) was more than likely ahead. With 25BBs left I agree that there are better spots.
Many thanks.
Craig
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I hate the ladies, sometimes I even hate AQ!!!!!!
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Try not to be results oriented - you made the right play in the circumstances. Most of the time, you are going to be behind in that spot, and the fold is perfectly acceptable.
Sometimes he does make sense -- not often -- but sometimes
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Try not to be results oriented - you made the right play in the circumstances. Most of the time, you are going to be behind in that spot, and the fold is perfectly acceptable.
Sometimes he does make sense -- not often -- but sometimes
Oooooooooooo I"ve finally made it :)
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Rather ironically I reraised a mid position raiser and flat caller from the big blind in the league this evening with qd qh and was called by kd ks! Hit a flush, but his was higher lol :)
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It takes a good player to be able to fold Q-Q there mate. The fact that you would have been ahead doesn"t come into it. You made the right play in your mind so what happens after that is irrelevant (Though VERY frustrating !). The time to worry is when you are consistantly making the wrong plays.
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Cheers Boing.
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I am not convinced this is a clear cut fold ...
If you are QQ vs AK vs JJ ... 46% to triple up
QQ vs AQ vs JJ ... 57%
If QQ vs Ak vs Ak(s) ... 61.7% (I think this is unlikely)
(Aside QQ vs JJ vs TT ... 66.3%)
If you are against KK or AA (I would say that is unlucky) but I don"t really expect these hands ... perhaps the flat call is just a potential throw away if Marysboy goes all in with QQ or KK or AA.
You can only raise c2000 so no need to raise.
I agree takes balls to fold QQ ... but I think I might play this one ... really marginal though ... seen so many things like AK vs (lower pp or AK/AQ) vs higher pp.
My feel on PokerStars and other sites is that their is a slight bias towards people thinking that need to be aggressive and hence the need to slightly weaken what you think people are on ... (sometimes not that slight!)
Anyway totally marginal for me ... how happy would you be to cash ... how much do you just want to go for the win (or high spots in the money) ...
If you have 5BB insta-call ... maybe 25BB pushes it to a fold ... mmm ... interesting hand.
What would you do next time?
Louis
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Thanks Louis. I agree with you that it"s not a clear fold.
If I put the first guy on a reasonably wide pushing range (say 99+ AQs+ and AQo+) ane even put the second guy on a tight range (say KK+ AKs AKo), I have approximately 33% equity against their 22% and 45%.
However, my read (which was incorrect!) based on Toreraise"s previous play was that he was capable of big lay downs and was a solid player, and that he probably wouldn"t be calling the all in with a worse hand than probably AA or KK. In that case my equity falls to 16%.
I had finished second two weeks previously (winning 2.2k from a fiver) and knew I was capable of going deep so that was the main reason for folding. I never play to just cash and folding to the money is of no interest. With 25BB I thought I still had enough time to pick a better spot, particularly the way the table was playing.
Against the same player based on previous play, I would probably do the same again. Otherwise it would be situation dependent, but all other things being equal I would probably make the call. I actually lost the following week in the APAT league with QQ after reraising and ended up against KK!
All the best.
Craig