Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: rubertoe on April 01, 2009, 07:26:44 AM
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Right I have a question that i would like you all to ponder!!
FT of a $20 2000gtd freezeout 7 players left! Blinds at 600/1200 average stack is about 20k and i have 29k before the cards are dealt
I am in MP one seat before the Cut off - and Have jc jd and make my standard raise to 3k ( i always like to open for less than 3x the BB) - The Button calls and the BB also Calls,
The Button - has been Fairly Liberal with his calling range and the BB has taken down a few uncotested Pots recently so has a bit of a loose image - I imagine he probably has Ax or a couple of Broad way cards as he has raised out of the BB with small pairs and Big Aces when someone has raised his BB and is currently the Chip leader with 35k
So we See a flop 3 Way with a pot of 9600, flop is jh qh 8h,
The BB leads for 32k??!?!? What do you do and Why??
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I call and probably go bust - I"m just not good enough to fold a set at this late stage.
I hope he has an overpair, including a heart.....
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seems like a blatnant ak/aq with one heart. nobody would lead out that amount with a made flush. have to call and just hope you dont get outdrawn
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just snap it off.
proper HHs would be much easier to read though.
If you fold this, I don"t think tournament poker is for you.
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Course you"re scared of the flush, but can you really lay down a set? I am calling all day here, and que sera sera.
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The BB may have 2 small hearts. He may have felt priced into call after your raise was called by the button. This could explain the shove lead because he doesn"t want better FDs trying to out draw him. However he may take a similar line with paired board and Ah or he may have flopped top pair and is trying to protect his hand
As the others have said, you are beating most of his hands here and have to call FTW. If he has a flush, you can still dog him with your 7 outs on the flop and 10 outs on the turn.
I dont know the odds of flopping a flush with 2 suited cards, but I do know it is a long shot, so try not to be too scared when you flop a monster on a flushed board.
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Hate it but throw it away ...
Why did you only raise to 3000, did you want a caller?
What does the button have?? (Probably not an issue)
I have seen lots of people lead out with baby flushes ... especially if they are perceived as loose ... as people will call with worse hands like AQ here ...
Could he have A(h)T - straight draw too? (Would obviously call this)
I think it is really hard to fold here ... but problem comes from the initial low raise ... I would raise to 6000 pre-flop and be delighted if they fold.
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I would raise to 6000 pre-flop and be delighted if they fold.
This is surely way too spewy. What do you do if you are reraised? Do you fold after having put over 20% of your stack in? I think 5x BB is ok in the earlier levels but not at the FT. Do you raise 5x BB when you steal with junk? If you do then these steals have to be successful over 77% of the time for them to be profitable.
I actually like the raise to 3000. In a lot of ways you want the call from the BB. He is getting good odds to play a weak hand out of position. This is what you want...flops against weaker hands when in position. If you keep your raising ammounts consistent at the 2.5 BB level you can steal and fold to resistance much easier. Your steals only have to be successful 63% to be profitable
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how many players flop a flush and overshove the pot?
he may do this with 910o but most likely top pair, 2 pair or a big draw/combo (he could even have total air if he is a maniac)
the raise size is perfect, overraising as suggested above is terrible tournament play for a million reasons, now do the right thing and call.
even if you are currently beat you will have c30% equity in the pot for a redraw(cos he never has QQ here).
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Instacall.
You"re crushing a lot of his range, and only slightly behind a small part of it. This is what you wanted...
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how many players flop a flush and overshove the pot?
he may do this with 910o but most likely top pair, 2 pair or a big draw/combo (he could even have total air if he is a maniac)
the raise size is perfect, overraising as suggested above is terrible tournament play for a million reasons, now do the right thing and call.
even if you are currently beat you will have c30% equity in the pot for a redraw(cos he never has QQ here).
I will be very interested in what "he" did have ... let"s have some of these million reasons ...
If you are putting the 3000 in with a view to folding any re-raise against an active player then you are going to give him a lot of chips late stages ... you might have position but what are you going to do with that with overcards on the board ... do you seriously want called ... kill it and move on ...
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I gave one reason - your steals will not be profitable enough in the long run
another could be that you fold out worse hands and tend to get reraised by only stronger hands. Do you really want to fold after putting in more than 20% of your stack?
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you should make a standard raise irrespective of holding, otherwise you become readable and exploitable. Getting JJ and just hoping everyone folds makes no sense - you have 4/5th best hand yet you want to price all other players out - you may as well be bluffing/stealing.
raising 2.5bb as opposed to 5bb means you can raise more often, it is more profitable and less exploitable. Raise/folding 2.5bb with your weaker holdings is easier/more profitable than it would be with a 5bb raise. Also smaller raises make restealing less profitable for your opponents.
there are a few reasons why opening for 5bb is bad. i can think of a few more.
Basically in relation to this hand, the opening raise is good, the flop is good, he has a wide range that you beat = gogogogo
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Fascinating how most perceive the opponents hand range here........
All i will i say is if you flop a flush in a similar situation to this against players who think like you ,then would a over bet of the pot be the best line? most would not put you on a flush.. ;D
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Fascinating how most perceive the opponents hand range here........
All i will i say is if you flop a flush in a similar situation to this against players who think like you ,then would a over bet of the pot be the best line? most would not put you on a flush.. ;D
agreed but may only work if your opponent has flopped a set..... :)
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Fascinating how most perceive the opponents hand range here........
All i will i say is if you flop a flush in a similar situation to this against players who think like you ,then would a over bet of the pot be the best line? most would not put you on a flush.. ;D
agreed but may only work if your opponent has flopped a set..... :)
or top pair or an over pair or 2 pair or a straight ;D
So we See a flop 3 Way with a pot of 9600, flop is jh qh 8h
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I don"t want to fold JJ having bet 6,000 but there are hands I want to chase away ... KQ and weak aces etc ...
You have the 4th stronger hand - so protect it.
The BB is active so what are you going to do when he re-raises you to 10k with KQ, or some Ace.
I don"t think he is going to re-raise to 18k with these hands.
I like raising a standard amount - but JJ and TT they are just so vulnerable (even with position) and hard to throw away.
You want him in the hand ... fair enough ... but it is dangerous ...
Once you are in the hand for 3000 ... tough not to call ... but I wouldn"t be surprised if he had a baby flush or something with two draws ... so you are not a massive favourite ... button is only going to call with a flush (or QQ - or 9T - hard to see QQ) ... so no extra value there.
I guess we will agree to differ on this one ...
L
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you have JJ and you want to chase away ace rag?
in general principles, the bigger you bet the less likely you are to get called by hands you crush and more likely to only get called when beat.
make standard raises and from then on just trust your post flop play, usually you will have position if you are getting called from the blinds.
as an extreme example, if you don"t want callers when you raise then just open shove. Job done.
i really do think you should open the same whether you have JJ, AK, AA, KK, 56s, 22 or whatever - but i guess it depends on your style of play.
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I don"t want to fold JJ having bet 6,000 but there are hands I want to chase away ... KQ and weak aces etc ...
You have the 4th stronger hand - so protect it.
The BB is active so what are you going to do when he re-raises you to 10k with KQ, or some Ace.
I don"t think he is going to re-raise to 18k with these hands.
I like raising a standard amount - but JJ and TT they are just so vulnerable (even with position) and hard to throw away.
You want him in the hand ... fair enough ... but it is dangerous ...
Once you are in the hand for 3000 ... tough not to call ... but I wouldn"t be surprised if he had a baby flush or something with two draws ... so you are not a massive favourite ... button is only going to call with a flush (or QQ - or 9T - hard to see QQ) ... so no extra value there.
I guess we will agree to differ on this one ...
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i can see your logic in thinking this but just try to expand your thoughts on this a wee bit...watch the replays of the poker million final table for instance and see how much they raise by... [open up a mtt and watch the better mtt online players and see there bet sizing]
The std and type of opponents you are up against are key here,if for some reason you find you are getting to many callers when you raise [be it they are loose or your own image is spewy] then raising more pre would be fine as long as you don"t raise to often and do it with crap...
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I don"t want to fold JJ having bet 6,000 but there are hands I want to chase away ... KQ and weak aces etc ...
You have the 4th stronger hand - so protect it.
The BB is active so what are you going to do when he re-raises you to 10k with KQ, or some Ace.
I don"t think he is going to re-raise to 18k with these hands.
I like raising a standard amount - but JJ and TT they are just so vulnerable (even with position) and hard to throw away.
You want him in the hand ... fair enough ... but it is dangerous ...
Once you are in the hand for 3000 ... tough not to call ... but I wouldn"t be surprised if he had a baby flush or something with two draws ... so you are not a massive favourite ... button is only going to call with a flush (or QQ - or 9T - hard to see QQ) ... so no extra value there.
I guess we will agree to differ on this one ...
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i can see your logic in thinking this but just try to expand your thoughts on this a wee bit...watch the replays of the poker million final table for instance and see how much they raise by... [open up a mtt and watch the better mtt online players and see there bet sizing]
The std and type of opponents you are up against are key here,if for some reason you find you are getting to many callers when you raise [be it they are loose or your own image is spewy] then raising more pre would be fine as long as you don"t raise to often and do it with crap...
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I think there is a difference in the way the Poker Million final table is played out and a $20k freeze-out ... I don"t think you can transpose the betting structure directly ... usually the players are deeper once you get to the Poker Million final table ... I have watched quite a few.
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you have JJ and you want to chase away ace rag?
in general principles, the bigger you bet the less likely you are to get called by hands you crush and more likely to only get called when beat.
make standard raises and from then on just trust your post flop play, usually you will have position if you are getting called from the blinds.
as an extreme example, if you don"t want callers when you raise then just open shove. Job done.
i really do think you should open the same whether you have JJ, AK, AA, KK, 56s, 22 or whatever - but i guess it depends on your style of play.
I don"t want to chase away the Ace-rag per se ... I want rid of all the Ace, King and Queen hands that will make it tricky to play post flop.
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Let me Put you out of Your Misery Guys!!
Of Course I call - If he flopped a flush in BB good luck to him - i ain"t folding a set here - i am playing FTW!!!
The reason i raise to 3k here is because i want my raises consistent - all through the tourney i have raised 2.5-3x so i am definitely not starting to open to 5x!!! and like people have said - i want the action i have a premium PP!!!
Anyway - the Button is irrelevant here and plays no further part in the action!!
As i said - I call - BB flips up ah qc and rivers the flush.... but i am glad i got the money in as a 68% favourite and i am never folding a set here.
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... fair play ...
Here is related question - what % would you need to be happy to call in this tournament situation.
Aside - if you raise to 6000 the villain is very likely to call anyway ...
Unlucky.
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I don"t want to fold JJ having bet 6,000 but there are hands I want to chase away ... KQ and weak aces etc ...
You have the 4th stronger hand - so protect it.
The BB is active so what are you going to do when he re-raises you to 10k with KQ, or some Ace.
I don"t think he is going to re-raise to 18k with these hands.
I like raising a standard amount - but JJ and TT they are just so vulnerable (even with position) and hard to throw away.
You want him in the hand ... fair enough ... but it is dangerous ...
Once you are in the hand for 3000 ... tough not to call ... but I wouldn"t be surprised if he had a baby flush or something with two draws ... so you are not a massive favourite ... button is only going to call with a flush (or QQ - or 9T - hard to see QQ) ... so no extra value there.
I guess we will agree to differ on this one ...
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i can see your logic in thinking this but just try to expand your thoughts on this a wee bit...watch the replays of the poker million final table for instance and see how much they raise by... [open up a mtt and watch the better mtt online players and see there bet sizing]
The std and type of opponents you are up against are key here,if for some reason you find you are getting to many callers when you raise [be it they are loose or your own image is spewy] then raising more pre would be fine as long as you don"t raise to often and do it with crap...
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I think there is a difference in the way the Poker Million final table is played out and a $20k freeze-out ... I don"t think you can transpose the betting structure directly ... usually the players are deeper once you get to the Poker Million final table ... I have watched quite a few.
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is that what u think ?
$10 mtt 2008 100,000 gtd [now the 250,000 gtd on Sundays] 20,000 entrants - i"d suggest u watch this ;D all the way through...There are things to learn or even add to your own repertoire ......
not sure if it works for non-pxf subscribers but it is free to join for limited access [then log in and you can definitely watch]
http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HH118395/4477_20080303_140746
the final table it self begins at hand 389 .....
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Definite call for me (Maybe a bigger pre though - but thats me ;D) -- well thats me tagged -- see you in Cardiff
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I don"t want to fold JJ having bet 6,000 but there are hands I want to chase away ... KQ and weak aces etc ...
You have the 4th stronger hand - so protect it.
The BB is active so what are you going to do when he re-raises you to 10k with KQ, or some Ace.
I don"t think he is going to re-raise to 18k with these hands.
I like raising a standard amount - but JJ and TT they are just so vulnerable (even with position) and hard to throw away.
You want him in the hand ... fair enough ... but it is dangerous ...
Once you are in the hand for 3000 ... tough not to call ... but I wouldn"t be surprised if he had a baby flush or something with two draws ... so you are not a massive favourite ... button is only going to call with a flush (or QQ - or 9T - hard to see QQ) ... so no extra value there.
I guess we will agree to differ on this one ...
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i can see your logic in thinking this but just try to expand your thoughts on this a wee bit...watch the replays of the poker million final table for instance and see how much they raise by... [open up a mtt and watch the better mtt online players and see there bet sizing]
The std and type of opponents you are up against are key here,if for some reason you find you are getting to many callers when you raise [be it they are loose or your own image is spewy] then raising more pre would be fine as long as you don"t raise to often and do it with crap...
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I think there is a difference in the way the Poker Million final table is played out and a $20k freeze-out ... I don"t think you can transpose the betting structure directly ... usually the players are deeper once you get to the Poker Million final table ... I have watched quite a few.
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is that what u think ?
$10 mtt 2008 100,000 gtd [now the 250,000 gtd on Sundays] 20,000 entrants - i"d suggest u watch this ;D all the way through...There are things to learn or even add to your own repertoire ......
not sure if it works for non-pxf subscribers but it is free to join for limited access [then log in and you can definitely watch]
http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HH118395/4477_20080303_140746
the final table it self begins at hand 389 .....
I will have a look at this at some point ... I think about the Jacks and Tens a lot ... because I think they are the hands which are hard to play ... and I think some of the normal "rules" of play don"t quite work especially if you are mid stacked or the blinds are about to start biting.
I like the over-raise because you gain more info as to where you are maybe 6000 is too much ... maybe 4800 ... in the original hand posted ... I guess that I am going to call in the end ... but the thought process is more driven on how to get away from awkward spots when you really don"t need the hassle ... usually a lot of prize money difference between hitting 7th and waiting for a chance to finish on the podium ... in the poker million often a chop soon after so staying alive is very worth it. I think staying alive is often the dominant factor.
I posted a hand about the Jacks which ultimately killed me in the 2.5m g"tee (fairly near the money) a few weeks ago ... and the consensus was broadly to three bet an early raiser ... I had called ... upon reflection in that circumstance I think the fold is pretty valid (because it keeps you alive) ...
The final table of the $2.5m g"tee was very interesting in that the play was pretty extreme ... not the patience of the Poker Million final table (but I guess a chop was not an option). Plays were made that meant a player took 7th for $55k when they could have almost sat an watched to c$200k (3rd place)
I totally accept the go for the win thought process ... but quite often you would find yourself only about 60/40 ahead and that is a pretty thin margin for your tournament life when you could be 100% and some free chips ...
In the original hand ... if re-raised are people going to throw the Jacks away pre-flop? Or are they going to argue there is so little that beats them they have to call?
Of course I am setting myself up to be bullied off hands ... but there are definite times when big folds have got me to final tables ... and going with the "pot odds" has killed me just before the carnage began ... I don"t think the answer is so clear cut ... but that is what makes the game fun ...
I am pretty relaxed about people trying to push me off things ... there are times when I call and times when I let it go ... my main tournament issues are ...
1. Winning a race at the end!
2. Avoiding auto playing hands like AK vs QQ in the blinds ... which I lose either way.
3. Stopping myself limping when out of position.
The first two are just the volatility we accept ... the 3rd one should be easy to solve by putting on a strait-jacket when I am in early positions ...
Enjoying the discussion.
Louis
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if you are 5xBB pocket jacks then are you 5xBB pocket aces? I think you should only ever make it 5bb if table is full of stations and you want more value (ie it has become the standard raise)
of course Jacks can be hard to play, but if you bloat the pot preflop you have fewer options postflop (irrelevant to the hand in the OP). You need to trust your postflop play.
i doubt you get that much more information from your opposition by raising 5xbb as opposed to 3xbb. However if you overraise vulnerable hands and minraise monsters (extreme example) then they already have information on your holding before they have put a chip in the pot.
The amount of times i play live and see people 5x UTG(or bigger) when they normally open smaller and 90% of the time they have 10s/JJ/AK and proudly show it when everyone folds.
anyway thats my view on opening the betting...
as for the hand in question - nh wp ul sir, get him next time.
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if you are 5xBB pocket jacks then are you 5xBB pocket aces? I think you should only ever make it 5bb if table is full of stations and you want more value (ie it has become the standard raise)
of course Jacks can be hard to play, but if you bloat the pot preflop you have fewer options postflop (irrelevant to the hand in the OP). You need to trust your postflop play.
i doubt you get that much more information from your opposition by raising 5xbb as opposed to 3xbb. However if you overraise vulnerable hands and minraise monsters (extreme example) then they already have information on your holding before they have put a chip in the pot.
The amount of times i play live and see people 5x UTG(or bigger) when they normally open smaller and 90% of the time they have 10s/JJ/AK and proudly show it when everyone folds.
anyway thats my view on opening the betting...
as for the hand in question - nh wp ul sir, get him next time.
I would be fairly likely to raise 5*BB with AA ... as it looks like JJ ... and will encourage people with AK and AQ to go all in for a perceived race ... I think the last time I had AA at a final table was in the UK Online champs ... cracked by KJs ... (they pushed)
I might also limp with AA ... obvious dangers ... but if the BB is very active a good chance to trap ...
Against an active player ... he is always going to bet at the pot ... what are you going to fold to in this circumstance?
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the way i see it - is that it is all about being consistent
2.5x raise with AA or air - it has to be the same or you will become predictable!! no point opening for say 5x from utg - 4x mp - 3x late position - it is to obvious -
by keeping the opening raises consistent makes it harder put you on a range - esp if you win back to back pots say with 5-2 and then QQ with opre flop 3x raises and show them - every time you 3x raise they wont know if you have it or complete trash
Glad i created some debate??
What would people normall open rasie to 2.5x, 3x, or more!
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What would people normall open rasie to 2.5x, 3x, or more!
Interesting question, and I don"t believe there is a one size fits all answer. So many variables that dictate the right response.... ie your table image, general fishyness/tightness of table, blinds size to stack ratio around the table, antes or no antes, size of antes compared to SB, etc etc etc
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it is interesting how some players view there hand strength to how much they should raise...as is trying to put some1 on a range judged by there pre-flop raise...really imo player style/skill and position should be the factors in judging there pre-flop range , post flop and the turn betting/actions/previous hands played are the areas to narrow opponents holdings further imo...
What would people normall open rasie to 2.5x, 3x, or more!
Interesting question, and I don"t believe there is a one size fits all answer. So many variables that dictate the right response.... ie your table image, general fishyness/tightness of table, blinds size to stack ratio around the table, antes or no antes, size of antes compared to SB, etc etc etc
agreed good reply - online in the early levels my std raise would be 3x plus 1bb for every limper but i play very taggy early mostly..if i"m in lag mode early then i alternate 2.5x to 3x but always try to be aware of my position in the hand on any callers and above all else make there life a misery ;D as a rule i never call a raise it is fold or re-raise for me or be the initial raiser.. i do mix in calls [but mainly mid to late stages] but only if i think i can get paid off big if i hit or there is an opportunity to bluff my opponents in position...
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I agree, I tend to only determin my raise size by seeing how oppenents are playing, stack size, blinds etc and also I think Its good to look at what size of raises get through on sertain players, weather LAG or tights. But I would say im a big advocator or keeping my raises the same no matter my holdings.
I also think it important to try not give yourself tough deccisons post flop and this can be controlled through ur pre flop play, I have recently tried not to have to many tough decisions and I would say that it help u get deeper in large online feilds. But saying that you will always have some tought decisions.
You must be able to fold big hand, even if your at final table and you playing for the win. You cant win if you loose all your chips thats for sure,! p.s i dont think I would fold trip Js there.
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U should be 2.5xing after antes usually kick in.
Anything else is way too spewy
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U should be 2.5xing after antes usually kick in.
Anything else is way too spewy
Interesting theory - I tend to go the other way, and when the antes kick in, particularly if they are large antes, I increase my raises a little. Consider that at a full ring table with antes that are 1:4 to the SB, there are effectively 2.5xBB in the pot before any action.... a 2.5xBB gives everyone reasonable odds (2:1) to call with any two cards, particularly as they have position on you. If it folds round to the BB, he cannot fold for 1.5xBB more into a pot of 5xBB - but at least you have position on him.
I guess it depends if you want action, or are just trying to take down the blinds/antes. If you"re only playing premium hands and action is what you want, then 2.5xBB raise here is good..... but if you"re on a stealing rampage, surely you need to pay just a little more to take away the pot odds for anyone behind who fancies seeing a flop with their marginal hands.
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U should be 2.5xing after antes usually kick in.
Anything else is way too spewy
Interesting theory - I tend to go the other way, and when the antes kick in, particularly if they are large antes, I increase my raises a little. Consider that at a full ring table with antes that are 1:4 to the SB, there are effectively 2.5xBB in the pot before any action.... a 2.5xBB gives everyone reasonable odds (2:1) to call with any two cards, particularly as they have position on you. If it folds round to the BB, he cannot fold for 1.5xBB more into a pot of 5xBB - but at least you have position on him.
I guess it depends if you want action, or are just trying to take down the blinds/antes. If you"re only playing premium hands and action is what you want, then 2.5xBB raise here is good..... but if you"re on a stealing rampage, surely you need to pay just a little more to take away the pot odds for anyone behind who fancies seeing a flop with their marginal hands.
to be honest i think you have your thinking the wrong way round. Raising smaller enables you to steal more often. If you are raise/folding then why would you raise bigger?
we want people to call with marginal hands OOP, as in the long run we should be able to take more pots.
I guess if you are just a player who never steals and raises with top 5-10% of hands, then you may as well raise a bit larger for value - but that is no fun at all.
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gap theory , players know that 1 mistake can bust them or cripple them when the antes kick in , there are few deep stacks unlike the beginning of the mtt,the only ones priced in to call are the blinds but then they"ll be out of position.
But by loosening up your initial hand range in the latter stages and with smaller raises you cut down your losses if you happen to lose a pot...In other words, by making smaller raises preflop, I lose fewer chips when I ultimately lose a hand.
Mostly a lot of players tighten up in mid lat stages when the antes kick in , so steal steal steal is my main objective...
I think as a whole a lot of players get there strategy wrong by playing loose early and tighter later , imo it should be the other way round...........
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I tend to agree with Noble - Tight early - loose later!! Steal steal steal - with 2.5x raises So what if the Blinds are getting good prices we want them In OOP!! also by commiting to a smaller raise it is cheaper for me to fold to 3-bets and in the long term 2.5x is more profitible than a 3x raise!!
People will generally fold to a 2.5x raise as they would a 3x 4x - So by comitting few chips it is more profitible long term!
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This is ok as a theory, but one of the variables I mentioned was the general tightness/fishyness of the table. If you are at a table of deepstacks who all want to call for value, you will find yourself giving up on the flop too many times..... hence 2.5xBB in this situation is often spewy. If table is prone to folding to any activity, then of course 2.5x is as good as 3x or 4x..... but as I said in my earlier post, there is no "one size fits all" method for preflop bet sizing.
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i agree mostly with your thoughts on this AMRN in early stages of a mtt...All i did was try to expand on the idea that raising 3x or more when the antes kick in is not the best strategy..generally there are few deep stacks left at this stage who can take advantage of calling..
In the mid to late stages of a mtt my approach was a standard, tight-aggressive strategy but as i gained more experience and my reading of situations/players got better i started to play a looser more unorthodox style if i was up against tougher players in the higher buy in mtts...Even in low buy in mtt or a mtt with a lot of weak players i will adapt to the dynamics of the table but even in these when the antes/blinds are high compared to stack sizes they tend to limp in and not raise [or spewy high raises or all ins lol ]..if you change this dynamic by making small 2.2 to 2.5 raises they tend to tighten up and mostly only 2 or 3 players will see the flop if you are called...now you use your experience [your advantage over the weaker players] but also you will be surprised by how often that you get the blinds and antes without any opposition...Steady constant pressure , gearing up then slowing down when you sense the table cottoning on to what you are doing,then repeat after a orbit or 2 of inactivity lol lol sounds like a recipe ;D
The whole theory is that you have a lot to gain when the the blinds/antes are high but on the flip side you lose more by not winning...
This is a big subject with a lot detail/situations/dynamics to be discussed in one thread..wowser you could write a book on it with all the different approaches that players take when the antes are large...but the crux of the thing imo is about a lot of the time a hell of a lot of players naturally go along with the flow of the table without trying to exploit it or are to slow/late to react , there continuation bets are to large , there post flop bet sizing to large and 3 betting to much with big hands.... just my current opinion which i"d love to discuss further if anyone is interested....
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back to the original hand i think the villain played his hand very odd. he has virtually flopped the nuts for his hand TPTK+NFD, and really should CRAI. The way he played it he only gets called by huge hands(like sets, flushes).
with those hands on that flop someone is going broke anyway imo
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Fascinating how most perceive the opponents hand range here........
All i will i say is if you flop a flush in a similar situation to this against players who think like you ,then would a over bet of the pot be the best line? most would not put you on a flush.. ;D
I think if you have flopped the baby flush then the all in is a great move ... you will often get paid ... and you should get rid of the high hearts that you fear.
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back to the original hand i think the villain played his hand very odd. he has virtually flopped the nuts for his hand TPTK+NFD, and really should CRAI. The way he played it he only gets called by huge hands(like sets, flushes).
with those hands on that flop someone is going broke anyway imo
Usually me!!