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Archive Boards => Archive => APAT UK & European Team Championships => Topic started by: kinboshi on June 25, 2009, 11:20:25 AM
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Much to the chagrin of many I am the team captain for England for the European Team Championships taking place in November 2009.
To have the role as captain is an honour, but it"s also a headache. I have to select a team of just 4 players, and so it"s obvious that some excellent players who"d like to represent England are going to be disappointed.
I"m still determining the criteria I"ll use to select the team, but in the meantime please PM me if you"re interested in putting your name into the hat. I"ve already had a few dozen people PM me expressing their desire to be part of the team and I will make sure I consider each and every one of you.
One thing"s for sure though. I"m picking a team to win it. We"re going to have a good few days as well, but the plan is to win it all. If we don"t win, it won"t be through lack of commitment. One thing"s for sure though, we"ll beat the sweaties ;).
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One thing"s for sure though, we"ll beat the sweaties ;)
That"ll be a first :)
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One thing"s for sure though, we"ll beat the sweaties ;)
That"ll be a first :)
Go and pollute your own thread. English only at the table please.
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maybe running a mini league tournament for the english players would be the best way?
or perhaps, picking 2 players and then letting 2 players win their place.
I haven"t thought about the format or anything, but since we have a lot of good players it would be an opportunity for them to face off and find the best of the best maybe.
Something that could then be deployed year on year.
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Ro-Sham-Bo for a place. All names in to a hat wich are then drawn in to pairs. Pm Kin your selection and he posts the result.
Play down to 4 obv. Piece of p innit.
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Ro-Sham-Bo for a place. All names in to a hat wich are then drawn in to pairs. Pm Kin your selection and he posts the result.
Play down to 4 obv. Piece of p innit.
That was another method I thought of using. Necking pints was a third.
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I considered something like this, but how would it account for variance? It would have to be a series of STTs and HU matches, but to get a statistically valid sample we"d be talking hundreds if not thousands of games.
There might be something in it though, possibly.
I did think about the variance issue, but playing a few games should counter this (WSOP Heads Up final is 3 games for this reason). Which is why i said maybe pick two in form players and let the others fight it out. Stars do it this way for the Poker Nations cup.
At least you will definitely know that two of your players have beaten a lot already to play there.
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Ro-Sham-Bo for a place. All names in to a hat wich are then drawn in to pairs. Pm Kin your selection and he posts the result.
Play down to 4 obv. Piece of p innit.
Probably as statistically valid as running a mini series
I think players that win or go deep in APAT and other events are going to be the one"s in contention.
That"s not going to give a massive shortlist - after that it"s down to the captains judgement.
So we know who to blame if we don"t win.
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Ro-Sham-Bo for a place. All names in to a hat wich are then drawn in to pairs. Pm Kin your selection and he posts the result.
Play down to 4 obv. Piece of p innit.
Probably as statistically valid as running a mini series
I think players that win or go deep in APAT and other events are going to be the one"s in contention.
That"s not going to give a massive shortlist - after that it"s down to the captains judgement.
So we know who to blame when we don"t win.
FYP ;)
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If we don"t win, it won"t be through lack of commitment.
I"m sure you"re right. It"s more likely to be through lack of ability.
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I think the Irish and Scots are worried about the England team. Why else would they feel the need to come onto a thread about the England team and post their witty comments?
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I think the Irish and Scots are worried about the England team. Why else would they feel the need to come onto a thread about the England team and post their comments?
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fyp
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I think the Irish and Scots are worried about the England team. Why else would they feel the need to come onto a thread about the England team and post their witty comments?
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Is there an equivalent of the penalty shoot out for England to lose at?
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I think the Irish and Scots are worried about the England team. Why else would they feel the need to come onto a thread about the England team and post their witty comments?
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Is there an equivalent of the penalty shoot out for England to lose at?
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If there was, the Scots wouldn"t even qualify for the main event.
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Three national championships so far this year.
Event 1 winner - English
Event 2 winner - English
Event 3 winner - English
No sign of any scots, irish, etc. Maybe they"re winning the online nationals....... nope!!
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In order to quell this Jingoistic fervour, may be we should enter a British and Irish Lions team! That should be easy to pick!! ;)
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But then again looking at Steve"s results table...... may be not! :D
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From what I recall clearly from last year, the teams who excelled at this event had one thing in common. Incredible team spirit. There were lots of strong individuals dotted throughout most of the teams, but when it came down to it the Irish, Scots and Germans supported each other more passionately than the other teams did. Who knows, it might be a significant drawback to have four individual champions on your team, if they don"t gel. What a great and interesting tournament this will be...
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From what I recall clearly from last year, the teams who excelled at this event had one thing in common. Incredible luck of the Irish, or to be more specific, a cardrack called Pat.
FYP
The team spirit thing is a key factor in this event though. Those teams that shone through, clearly had a togetherness over the weekend. They also had a skilled and talented team captain, who was able to gel the team members together to get the most out of them, by utilising not only the team captains poker knowledge and skills, but also maximising the skills of their team.
I"ll leave the punchline open........................
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just avoid picking from the highly successful Nottingham team imo
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From what I recall clearly from last year, the teams who excelled at this event had one thing in common. Incredible luck of the Irish, or to be more specific, a cardrack called Pat.
FYP
The team spirit thing is a key factor in this event though. Those teams that shone through, clearly had a togetherness over the weekend. They also had a skilled and talented team captain, who was able to gel the team members together to get the most out of them, by utilising not only the team captains poker knowledge and skills, but also maximising the skills of their team.
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I think the team spirit is a coincidence
I can"t see any logical, statistical or analytical reason why a non-team game like poker would benefit from it.
I recall a similar theme around England"s Nations Cup victory the other year - the summary of that was that England were the only team acting like a group of individuals during the tournament rather than getting cosy with loads of bonding.
They won that, teams with good team spirit did well in this last time -to me this reinforces the evidence in favour of coincidence.
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Three national championships so far this year.
Event 1 winner - English
Event 2 winner - English
Event 3 winner - English
No sign of any scots, irish, etc. Maybe they"re winning the online nationals....... nope!!
Fair play but:
You fail to take into account the number of runners that were English ... in this event there will be 4 from each country ...
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Three national championships so far this year.
Event 1 winner - English
Event 2 winner - English
Event 3 winner - English
No sign of any scots, irish, etc. Maybe they"re winning the online nationals....... nope!!
Fair play but:
You fail to take into account the number of runners that were English ... in this event there will be 4 from each country ...
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Exactly - more English people qualified because they were better in the satellites!!
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Congrats on the captaincy Danny- can"t think of a better person for the job (also means your not playing which is an obvious bonus)
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Are you going for the double Dan.
Nottingham to win the league and England for the Euro champs? :D ;)
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Getting closer to being near to narrowing down the preliminary qualification criteria for the initial short-list for potential maybes for the England team. I think.
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Getting closer to being near to narrowing down the preliminary qualification criteria for the initial short-list for potential maybes for the England team. I think.
Lessons from Des, me thinks :D
So, end of the month then.....?
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Getting closer to being near to narrowing down the preliminary qualification criteria for the initial short-list for potential maybes for the England team. I think.
Lessons from Des, me thinks :D
So, end of the month then.....?
There"ll be an announcement over a weekend. Which one, I don"t know.
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is Daniel is Des's new Prodigy.....
Possibly - sometime in the future at a date yet to be determined...
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Closer to an announcement.
I also wanted to say that to everyone who"s PMd me - thanks and I"ve read all of them. Sorry that I haven"t got back to anyone individually, been a bit busy moving house recently and am making do with a yoghurt carton and piece of string for my internet connection.
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Closer to an announcement.
I also wanted to say that to everyone who"s PMd me - thanks and I"ve read all of them. Sorry that I haven"t got back to anyone individually, been a bit busy moving house recently and am making do with a yoghurt carton and piece of string for my internet connection.
whats the rush dan ??
the team event on the same time as individual so anyone playin will be there anyway. But if you want to make announcement now in the immediate not too distant future or longer mull over it . Even read them pm s again lol
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Actually Scouse, I believe that the Team Event begins on the Thursday ??.....So people may need to book time off work.
Though I could be wrong......I usually am !!
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Nope, you"re not wrong. The team event does take place on the Thursday and Friday before the European "National" which starts on the Saturday as usual.
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Thanx for that Dan
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Thanks again for the people who"ve PMd me. Everyone who puts their name forward will be considered for the team, but I can only pick 4 in the end - so most will be disappointed.
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most will be disappointed.
Don"t worry - the rest will be soon be disappointed as well.
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most will be disappointed.
Don"t worry - the rest will be soon be disappointed as well.
looooooooooooool a sorry attempt at fighting talk!!
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Steve - he meant the rest of the countries playing the tournament. Got to agree with him.
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Steve - he meant the rest of the countries playing the tournament. Got to agree with him.
3000 posts and still talking mince!
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Steve - he meant the rest of the countries playing the tournament. Got to agree with him.
3000 posts and still talking mince!
1038 posts and still feeling the need to stalk the England thread as you"re scared.
:D
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Steve - he meant the rest of the countries playing the tournament. Got to agree with him.
3000 posts and still talking mince!
1038 posts and still feeling the need to stalk the England thread as you"re scared.
:D
Hmm, this must be some strange definition of the word "scared", only known to kin.
I"ll buy you a dictionary for Christmas, Daniel.
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Another Scot who finds it necessary to troll the England thread, and the teams haven"t even been picked yet!
Scared in anyone"s book.
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Steve - he meant the rest of the countries playing the tournament. Got to agree with him.
3000 posts and still talking mince!
1038 posts and still feeling the need to stalk the England thread as you"re scared.
:D
Hmm, this must be some strange definition of the word "scared", only known to kin.
I"ll buy you a dictionary for Christmas, Daniel.
I think these are probably the definitions Dan was considering..... taken from various dictionaries...
scare - daunt: cause to lose courage;
scared - frightened: made afraid; ie "the frightened child cowered in the corner"; (replace "child" with "Scot" here)
scare - panic: sudden mass fear and anxiety over anticipated events
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;D
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shame we cant enter a England "a", "b" and "c" side so we could complete a 1,2,3 :)
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Just like last year huh?
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Just like last year huh?
If we"re living in the past, I"ve got a great record in live tournaments ;)
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O Flower of Scotland
When will we see
Your like again,
That fought and died for
Your wee bit Hill and Glen
And stood against him
Proud Edward"s Army,
And sent him homeward
Tae think again.
The Hills are bare now
And Autumn leaves lie thick and still
O"er land that is lost now
Which those so dearly held
That stood against him
Proud Edward"s Army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again.
Those days are past now
And in the past they must remain
But we can still rise now
And be the nation again
That stood against him
Proud Edward"s Army
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.
0 Flower of Scotland
When will we see
Your like again,
That fought and died for
Your wee bit Hill and Glen
And stood against him
Proud Edward"s Army,
And sent him homeward
Tae think again.
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You booked your hotel yet Kev?
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O Flower of Scotland
When will we see
Your like again,
That fought and died for
Your wee bit Hill and Glen
And stood against him
Proud Edward"s Army,
And sent him homeward
Tae think again.
The Hills are bare now
And Autumn leaves lie thick and still
O"er land that is lost now
Which those so dearly held
That stood against him
Proud Edward"s Army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again.
Those days are past now
And in the past they must remain
But we can still rise now
And be the nation again
That stood against him
Proud Edward"s Army
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.
O Flower of Scotland
When will we see
Your like again,
That fought and died for
Your wee bit Hill and Glen
And stood against him
Proud Edward"s Army,
And sent him homeward
Tae think again.
+1 :P
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To all you trolling sweaties, my birthday is on 16 April.
Does that date ring a bell?
:D
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To all you trolling sweaties, my birthday is on 16 April.
Does that date ring a bell?
:D
who"s living in the past now?
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Just like last year huh?
If we"re living in the past, I"ve got a great record in live tournaments ;)
Kinboshi is the Doyle Brunson of APAT [used to do well before everyone else learned how to play]
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Just like last year huh?
If we"re living in the past, I"ve got a great record in live tournaments ;)
Kinboshi is the Doyle Brunson of APAT [used to do well before everyone else learned how to play]
Better to have won once, than not at all.
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To all you trolling sweaties, my birthday is on 16 April.
Does that date ring a bell?
:D
who"s living in the past now?
He who wins the last battle laughs longest.
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Just like last year huh?
If we"re living in the past, I"ve got a great record in live tournaments ;)
Kinboshi is the Doyle Brunson of APAT [used to do well before everyone else learned how to play]
I wouldn"t mind having Doyle"s roll
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yes, beign called Doyle Brunson is hardly an inslult.
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Yep, I"ve been called far worse.
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Only by your friends
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Only by your friends
Yes, by both of them.
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And that"s when we"re in a good mood.
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And that"s when we"re in a good mood.
You"re not one of them any more.
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And that"s when we"re in a good mood.
You"re not one of them any more.
Went well last night then? ;D
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Now the WCOAP is done and dusted, I will be looking at the short-list of "contenders" and putting together a final team of four.
I"ll contact each one privately and see if they are still interested in playing and can make the dates. If not, I"ll then go through an alternates list.
Hoping to do this during the week.
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Can I be considered please Dan?
My main credential for selection is that you stay at my house when you"re playing at DTD so if I don"t get in you"ve got to start paying for hotels.
I"m not actually available to play but it would be nice to know that I would"ve got in if I could make it.
Thankyou please.
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Hahaha!
If you"re not available to play, then yes - you"d definitely have been in the team.
;)
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Really??
Oh thanks Dan that"s fantastic news and a great honour to have been the first official selection for the England team.
Unfortunately I won"t be able to make it as I"m away visiting friends.
I"m sorry to let you down as obviously you wanted me in the team cus I"m dead good but you might still have a chance without me. I"m sure there"s at least one England player other than me who know"s what they"re doing.
Good luck finding that player and good luck team England.
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Noooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
I was planning on building the team around you as well. Never mind, we"ll have to go for Plan B now instead. Sigh...
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thanks for the pm dan i fort i was 1st choice woop woop
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I'm first choice, it's just that Dan does not know it yet. ;)
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Dan,
Cheers for the PM. I"m really honoured that you would want me as first choice in your team, however, as I have mentioned before, I am Welsh.
I did as you asked, and have looked back over my family tree, but unfortunately it"s 100% Welsh.
Surely your other applications cannot be as bad as you have suggested ?
Best of luck scraping a team together, just remember, it"s the taking part that counts.
Leigh
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Dan,
Cheers for the PM. I"m really honoured that you would want me as second choice in your team, however, as I have mentioned before, I am Scottish.
I did as you asked, and have looked back over my family tree, but unfortunately it"s 100% Scottish.
Surely your other applications cannot be as bad as you have suggested ?
Best of luck scraping a team together, just remember, it"s the taking part that counts.
Neil
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anyone else ... ?
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Dan,
Cheers for the PM. I"m really honoured that you would want me as third choice in your team, however, as I have mentioned before, I am an administrator.
I did as you asked, and have looked back over my contract, but unfortunately it"s 100% non play.
Surely your other applications cannot be as bad as you have suggested ?
Best of luck scraping a team together, just remember, it"s the taking part that counts.
Des
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Leigh, Neil and Des:
(http://www.infoaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/dailybail.com/storage/three_stooges.jpg)
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(http://www.net10.co.uk/APAT/forum/gimac.jpg)
"How Many Points Did England Get?" - European Team Championship 2008
Toooooooooooo funny!
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Funny how those from the minor nations, such as the scots and the welsh find the need to troll in this thread.
They"ve obviously picked out the strongest team for this year"s championship and are trying to upset them before it all starts.
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Just about to post the above ::) which I received via PM as well.
Funny beggars aren"t you?
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OK...the team is almost selected. I"ll be PMing those selected, and then posting the team on here once it"s all been confirmed.
We are going to win it all.
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OK...the team is almost selected. I"ll be PMing those selected, and then posting the team on here once it"s all been confirmed.
We are going to win it all.
I guess England will be favourites again. ::)
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OK...the team is almost selected. I"ll be PMing those selected, and then posting the team on here once it"s all been confirmed.
We are going to win it all.
I guess England should be favourites this time with the strong team you"re going to put out. ::)
Possibly.
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OK...the team is almost selected. I"ll be PMing those selected, and then posting the team on here once it"s all been confirmed.
We are going to win it all.
I guess England should be favourites this time with the strong team you"re going to put out. ::)
We will possibly underperform due to the pressure of expectation.
Stay positive ;)
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Mind games ftw.
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Mind games ftw.
Should be safe then - Kinboshi"s mind can"t work at a high enough level for him to notice any of that :D
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Shush cowboy.
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Right, I"m off to PM the team. Once they confirm they are good to go - the team will be posted on here.
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Hurry up Dan, we want to know if Mickey Mouse is in or out ;)
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Hurry up Dan, we want to know if Mickey Mouse is in or out ;)
Looks like Mickey got a forum ban. Can"t see him making the team now. ;)
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Mickey can"t play. For one, he"s a pro. Secondly, he"s American. Thirdly, he"s a big headed git.
And in my opinion, anyone that wears gloves at the poker table, Hmmmmmmmm , very suspicious. ;)
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Well if Mickey can"t play Mikey can !!! ;D
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Well if Mickey can"t play Mikey can !!! ;D
since when ;)
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I"ll contact each one privately
Has Liv returned any of your calls yet?
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I"ll contact each one privately
Has Liv returned any of your calls yet?
:D
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OK.....we have a team.
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What a team!! Congrats to all selected, make sure you take it down. :)
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that must have taken some time lol,,,lots of good players to choose from !!!! And that looks a good team to me !!
"COME ON ENGLAND"
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Good picks Dan gl ENGERLAND!!!
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Congratulations to Brian, Steve, John and Neil.
Great team Dan, looking forward to seeing you at the bar tables.
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They"ll all be at the tables - but I"ll meet you in the bar!!
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Congrats John, Steve, Neil and Brian!
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BRING IT HOMES BOYS....
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JERUSALEM
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England"s mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England"s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic Mills?
Bring me my Bow of burning gold:
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear! O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire.
I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England"s green and pleasant land.
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Rule, Britannia
When Britain first, at heaven"s command,
Arose from out the azure main,
Arose, arose, arose from out the azure main,
This was the charter, the charter of the land,
And guardian Angels sung this strain:
Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves.
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
The nations, not so blest as thee,
Must in their turn, to tyrants fall,
Must in their turn, must in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish, shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.
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Gutted at missing out but what a team!!!
GL to England- with Golden****** aka Blatch in the side we can"t lose!
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THERE"LL ALWAYS BE AN ENGLAND
There"ll always be an England,
While there"s a country lane,
Wherever there"s a cottage small
Beside a field of grain.
There"ll always be an England,
While there"s a busy street,
Wherever there"s a turning wheel
A million marching feet.
Red, white and blue,
What does it mean to you?
Surely you"re proud
Shout it aloud.
Britons awake!
The Empire too,
We can depend on you,
Freedom remains
These are the chains
Nothing can break.
There"ll always be an England,
And England shall be free,
If England means as much to you
As England means to me.
"This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in a silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house
Against the envy of less happier lands
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm
This England"
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Eh? Bit early to be drinking.
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Eh? Bit early to be drinking.
It is?
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good luck guys - Engerland ftw!
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its coming home its coming home poker coming home good luck boys smash them all and the jocks woop woop
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Strong team!!! Congrats to those selected!!
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its coming home its coming home poker coming home good luck boys smash them all and the jocks woop woop
You wish! ::)
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Congrats John, Steve, Neil and Brian! 8)
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Congrats John, Steve, Neil and Brian! 8)
Congrats on the team selected looks pretty good to me
Wonder what price the kilted ones are offering on an Enlish win?
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EZ game England
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Thanx for the kind words everyone...am proud and honoured to have been selected alongside such talented players as these three guys, all of whom I have sat alongside at Final Tables around the country in the past.
We will be doing our utmost to bring that trophy home where it belongs.
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OMG how proud and chuffed am I!!?? Many thanks Dan, and thanks to well wishers.
Can"t wait to represent my country, and to do my bit to keep the title in England.
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Great selection Dan and the best of luck to the English team in Luton.
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OMG how proud and chuffed am I!!?? Many thanks Dan, and thanks to well wishers.
Can"t wait to represent my country, and to do my bit to keep the title in England.
....just a minor point of detail young Steve ;)
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OMG how proud and chuffed am I!!?? Many thanks Dan, and thanks to well wishers.
Can"t wait to represent my country, and to do my bit to keep the title in England.
....just a minor point of detail young Steve ;)
My point being that the title will be returned to England (Luton) by the current temporary title holders.... and we will be aiming to keep it here :)
As for the "young" Steve bit.... I love that!! ;D
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Great side. Well done Dan.
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Well done and good luck Lads! I"ve just put in a special request with the Poland team in your honour. ;D
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good luck. great selections also.....a mix of players who are all currently doing well.
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Congrats John, Steve, Neil and Brian! 8)
Congrats on the team selected looks pretty good to me
Wonder what price the kilted ones are offering on an Enlish win?
Must admit were a wee bit worried, because Dan has picked a cracking team. But if it go"s to penalty"s youve no chance
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Thanks for all the wishes guys and really chuffed to be involved and looks a good team.
Should be an awesome few days ... especially when we win it all.
ONE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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england boys we are here beat them ace"s and drink all the beer woop woop come on
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england boys we are here beat them ace"s and drink all the beer woop woop come on
It will not be hard for them to drink more than they did last year. ::)
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Congratulations guys.
Well done on a most difficult selection Dan.
Geo
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Good team GLA
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Good luck team - I know you"ll have a great time. Bring it back for England ;D
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Congrats and well done Dan, no easy feat. Great choices and Good Luck in Luton.
Congrats to Brian, Steve, John and Neil :)
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Congrats and well done Dan...
Congrats to those chosen. :)
But it"s only well done if England win. If not, it"s all Dan"s fault for picking the wrong team :)
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFkarNUPGHk[/youtube]
:D
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Time is almost here now. Hope we can do all of England proud over the next two days.
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Time is almost here now. Hope we can do all of England proud over the next two days.
No doubt about it skip, you and the boys are bringing it home!
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ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND
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I know you are supporting Scotland really Wayne. Don"t worry I won"t tell.
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GL folks - Defend the EMPIRE!!!! ;D
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ENGERLAND ENGERLAND ENGERLAND
If we don"t win, it won"t be for the want of desire or application!! Not slept a full night for a week.
COME ON!!!!!!
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ENGERLAND ENGERLAND ENGERLAND
If we don"t win, it won"t be for the want of desire or application!! Not slept a full night for a week.
COME ON!!!!!!
Katharine, please leave him alone. He has too many children already. Thank you
(4 days in the company of Mrs AMRN over the virtual felt. Swooooooooooon)
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If we don"t win, it won"t be through lack of commitment.
I"m sure you"re right. It"s more likely to be through lack of ability.
If we don"t win, it won"t be for the want of desire or application!! Not slept a full night for a week.
We"ve been here before, helping the England team work out why you won"t win, which you seem to be convinced about. Maybe you have some other ideas as to why you won"t win? Lack of sleep? Or are we sticking with lack of ability?
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If we don"t win, it won"t be through lack of commitment.
I"m sure you"re right. It"s more likely to be through lack of ability.
If we don"t win, it won"t be for the want of desire or application!! Not slept a full night for a week.
We"ve been here before, helping the England team work out why you won"t win, which you seem to be convinced about. Maybe you have some other ideas as to why you won"t win? Lack of sleep? Or are we sticking with lack of ability?
We already know what the problem is - if we don"t win, it"s all down to the captain.
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go get "em lads!
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Well done boys!!!
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Well, yeah, look, alright - well done.
(Just don"t tell anyone I said so).
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Well, yeah, look, alright - well done.
(Just don"t tell anyone I said so).
Lol, +1