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Title: Player Briefing?
Post by: Barnfather on August 23, 2009, 18:34:15 PM
Was there supposed to be one? Or have I missed it....
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 23, 2009, 18:44:45 PM
Please see this thread -

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=4152.0 (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=4152.0)
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: duke3016 on August 23, 2009, 18:44:59 PM
soon  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 23, 2009, 19:05:49 PM
-ish
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: AMRN on August 23, 2009, 19:07:45 PM
hmmmm perhaps Des is doing the unthinkable, and having some family time over the weekend!!
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 23, 2009, 19:12:03 PM

hmmmm perhaps Des is doing the unthinkable, and having some family time over the weekend!!



While I understand the words individually, I cannot grasp the meaning of your sentence...
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: SirPercival on August 23, 2009, 20:46:54 PM
Just read the player briefing.
Are there no ranking points for the Omaha and HORSE?
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Jon MW on August 23, 2009, 20:47:52 PM
no

EDIT: or if there are I hope someone tells me :D
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 23, 2009, 20:49:22 PM

Just read the player briefing.
Are there no ranking points for the Omaha and HORSE?


Bloody eventism in action again !

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Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: SirPercival on August 23, 2009, 20:50:49 PM

no

EDIT: or if there are I hope someone tells me :D


at the time of the clickfest I"m pretty sure I was told there was.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Swinebag on August 23, 2009, 20:51:22 PM
I thought pot limit games didn"t have antes?
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: APAT on August 23, 2009, 20:55:12 PM

Just read the player briefing.
Are there no ranking points for the Omaha and HORSE?


Good spot.  There are half points for both events, so I will update the briefing.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: SirPercival on August 23, 2009, 20:55:47 PM

I thought pot limit games didn"t have antes?


I wouldn"t know - I never make it that deep!
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Jon MW on August 23, 2009, 20:56:28 PM


Just read the player briefing.
Are there no ranking points for the Omaha and HORSE?


Good spot.  There are half points for both events, so I will update the briefing.


I was close

only half wrong
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Jon MW on August 23, 2009, 20:58:00 PM
I"m more concerned about the prize"s being paid into your Blue Square account.

How does that make any sense?

Are they not getting enough sign ups through APAT? so now they want to insist people who don"t want to play on there are forced to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds?
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: SirPercival on August 23, 2009, 21:00:55 PM


Just read the player briefing.
Are there no ranking points for the Omaha and HORSE?


Good spot.  There are half points for both events, so I will update the briefing.


Thanks Des
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: APAT on August 23, 2009, 21:01:45 PM

I thought pot limit games didn"t have antes?


Quite right for this event Rob.  That column has now been removed.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: AMRN on August 23, 2009, 21:03:52 PM

I"m more concerned about the prize"s being paid into your Blue Square account.

How does that make any sense?

Are they not getting enough sign ups through APAT? so now they want to insist people who don"t want to play on there are forced to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds?


how do you work that one out Jon? If they pay prizes into your BSQ account, what requirement would there then be on you to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds??
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: APAT on August 23, 2009, 21:04:42 PM

I"m more concerned about the prize"s being paid into your Blue Square account.

How does that make any sense?

Are they not getting enough sign ups through APAT? so now they want to insist people who don"t want to play on there are forced to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds?


Don"t read too much into it.  This is only applicable to the Omaha and Horse events, so it will affect 9 and 5 players respectively.  You are not depositing the money, you are effectively winnning it and would be able to withdraw immediately.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Jon MW on August 23, 2009, 21:05:53 PM


I"m more concerned about the prize"s being paid into your Blue Square account.

How does that make any sense?

Are they not getting enough sign ups through APAT? so now they want to insist people who don"t want to play on there are forced to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds?


how do you work that one out Jon? If they pay prizes into your BSQ account, what requirement would there then be on you to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds??


If you win a £1000

and they pay it into your account

you have a £1000 in your bluesquare account

I didn"t mean in addition

Seems a lot of hassle to then take it out - paying a cheque into a bank account is a lot more straightforward

And do processors like Neteller charge you for payments like that?
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: WarBwastardo on August 23, 2009, 21:09:58 PM



I"m more concerned about the prize"s being paid into your Blue Square account.

How does that make any sense?

Are they not getting enough sign ups through APAT? so now they want to insist people who don"t want to play on there are forced to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds?


how do you work that one out Jon? If they pay prizes into your BSQ account, what requirement would there then be on you to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds??


If you win a £1000

and they pay it into your account

you have a £1000 in your bluesquare account

I didn"t mean in addition

Seems a lot of hassle to then take it out - paying a cheque into a bank account is a lot more straightforward

And do processors like Neteller charge you for payments like that?


How is withdrawing from Blue Square more straightforward than going to the bank with a cheque? It goes straight into your bank account no?  Assume it"s the same as a BS betting account.  
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: jbworldwide on August 23, 2009, 21:12:49 PM




I"m more concerned about the prize"s being paid into your Blue Square account.

How does that make any sense?

Are they not getting enough sign ups through APAT? so now they want to insist people who don"t want to play on there are forced to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds?


how do you work that one out Jon? If they pay prizes into your BSQ account, what requirement would there then be on you to deposit 100"s and 100"s of pounds??


If you win a £1000

and they pay it into your account

you have a £1000 in your bluesquare account

I didn"t mean in addition

Seems a lot of hassle to then take it out - paying a cheque into a bank account is a lot more straightforward

And do processors like Neteller charge you for payments like that?


How is withdrawing from Blue Square more straightforward than going to the bank with a cheque? It goes straight into your bank account no?  Assume it"s the same as a BS betting account. 


All money going through this way benefits me and makes it easier, however down time from BlueSQ is a few days so waiting for the money would be a pain (not that i think i will win any ;) )
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Jon MW on August 23, 2009, 21:14:30 PM
I don"t know for sure with Blue Square but on another iPoker skin I was only able to withdraw to my debit card up to the amount I"d deposited with it.

I don"t like the principle - but I am asking the question. is it as simple as a bank transfer? could you get charged if you had to go through processors like Neteller etc. ?
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 23, 2009, 21:20:31 PM
Surely worry about it IF you make the money ? ? ?
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 23, 2009, 21:21:23 PM
Or pull out if you do not like it.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Laxie on August 23, 2009, 22:14:14 PM
I"d just like to cash.  Not too bothered how I"ll get it after.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: K3vl4rUK on August 23, 2009, 22:15:42 PM

I"d just like to cash.  Not too bothered how I"ll get it after.


this
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Barnfather on August 25, 2009, 01:01:24 AM
I"m sure I signed up for a Blue Sq account ages ago, but haven"t a clue what the login or user ID will be (well I do have a rough idea, but can"t remember for 100%). Not that I"m likely to cash but still. Could make for an interesting payment arrangement om the day....
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: M3boy on August 25, 2009, 01:55:21 AM

Or pull out if you do not like it.



Typical "no thought" reply.

Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 25, 2009, 02:13:12 AM


Or pull out if you do not like it.



Typical "no thought" reply.




Perfectly simple I would have thought, after reviewing all the details involved with the play and payment of these events, a person has the right to decide not to play if they do not like any aspect of the event.

My statement was just more succinct.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: M3boy on August 25, 2009, 02:47:22 AM



Or pull out if you do not like it.



Typical "no thought" reply.




Perfectly simple I would have thought, after reviewing all the details involved with the play and payment of these events, a person has the right to decide not to play if they do not like any aspect of the event.

My statement was just more succinct.



Well not really, because...........................

Players have bought into a competition, no doubt booked hotels/travel arrangements/time of work etc....

To pull out now would mean loosing money over the buy in etc....

Now, had this been announced BEFORE players bought in, then I would accept your "dont like it, dont play" comment.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: HaworthBantam on August 25, 2009, 11:44:05 AM

Well not really, because...........................

Players have bought into a competition, no doubt booked hotels/travel arrangements/time of work etc....

To pull out now would mean loosing money over the buy in etc....

Now, had this been announced BEFORE players bought in, then I would accept your "dont like it, dont play" comment.


A fair point
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 25, 2009, 13:19:08 PM




Or pull out if you do not like it.



Typical "no thought" reply.




Perfectly simple I would have thought, after reviewing all the details involved with the play and payment of these events, a person has the right to decide not to play if they do not like any aspect of the event.

My statement was just more succinct.



Well not really, because...........................

Players have bought into a competition, no doubt booked hotels/travel arrangements/time of work etc....

To pull out now would mean losing money over the buy in etc....

Now, had this been announced BEFORE players bought in, then I would accept your "dont like it, dont play" comment.


Events do not always got to plan no matter how much planning is involved and things can change at short notice, adaptability has been an apparent strength of humans for quite a while now, so players can accept these changes and play or simply decide to make a stand against something they feel is wrong & pull out.

However, we both know that even the most ardent voice of disent will still play these events.

I have nothing against voicing opinions, but APAT does it"s absolute utmost to do the best it can for it"s members, yet it seems there is always an element that crawls out of the woodwork to slate them when there is the slightest change or hiccup.

I just dislike people who whinge, if they feel so strongly then boycott the events, the rest of us will enjoy ourselves regardless.

BTW FYP.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Jon MW on August 25, 2009, 13:25:42 PM





Or pull out if you do not like it.



Typical "no thought" reply.




Perfectly simple I would have thought, after reviewing all the details involved with the play and payment of these events, a person has the right to decide not to play if they do not like any aspect of the event.

My statement was just more succinct.



Well not really, because...........................

Players have bought into a competition, no doubt booked hotels/travel arrangements/time of work etc....

To pull out now would mean losing money over the buy in etc....

Now, had this been announced BEFORE players bought in, then I would accept your "dont like it, dont play" comment.


I know lots of words, but I"m not too good at the debating skills necessary to rearrange them into a convincing argument.



Perfection might be difficult - but that doesn"t mean we shouldn"t aspire to it.

To suggest that the only course of action when disagreeing with any aspect of the tour is to either say nothing and put up with it - or to boycott it completely shows a distinct lack of imagination, creativity and intellect.

BTW FYP.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 25, 2009, 13:55:15 PM






Or pull out if you do not like it.



Typical "no thought" reply.




Perfectly simple I would have thought, after reviewing all the details involved with the play and payment of these events, a person has the right to decide not to play if they do not like any aspect of the event.

My statement was just more succinct.



Well not really, because...........................

Players have bought into a competition, no doubt booked hotels/travel arrangements/time of work etc....

To pull out now would mean losing money over the buy in etc....

Now, had this been announced BEFORE players bought in, then I would accept your "dont like it, dont play" comment.


I know lots of words, but I"m not too good at the debating skills necessary to rearrange them into a convincing argument.



Perfection might be difficult - but that doesn"t mean we shouldn"t aspire to it.

To suggest that the only course of action when disagreeing with any aspect of the tour is to either say nothing and put up with it - or to boycott it completely shows a distinct lack of imagination, creativity and intellect.

BTW FYP.


Your addition to my post is actually quite amusing, nice one.

No where did my post suggest we should not aspire to perfection, it just expressed that things can and do change and we should be prepared to adapt to the situations that arise. Nor did I say we should just accept such things without stating our opinions, I am all for it.

My opinion is some people love to cause trouble, taking minor things and trying to make them into some huge argument and only appear on the forum to criticise. Furthermore, tis my opinion that some just love to disagree with others just because of who they are or to voice "Opinions" just fit into a certain clique.

Sharing opinions is a good thing, whinging on when you will not back up your words with actions, is not.

Certain people do indeed make a big noise about the apparent faults with APAT but if they really felt so strongly about such things then they would cease to bother with APAT or play any of the events, they do not.

Oh well, some people will never agree, a fundamental of life.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: M3boy on August 25, 2009, 15:07:42 PM







Or pull out if you do not like it.



Typical "no thought" reply.




Perfectly simple I would have thought, after reviewing all the details involved with the play and payment of these events, a person has the right to decide not to play if they do not like any aspect of the event.

My statement was just more succinct.



Well not really, because...........................

Players have bought into a competition, no doubt booked hotels/travel arrangements/time of work etc....

To pull out now would mean losing money over the buy in etc....

Now, had this been announced BEFORE players bought in, then I would accept your "dont like it, dont play" comment.


I know lots of words, but I"m not too good at the debating skills necessary to rearrange them into a convincing argument.



Perfection might be difficult - but that doesn"t mean we shouldn"t aspire to it.

To suggest that the only course of action when disagreeing with any aspect of the tour is to either say nothing and put up with it - or to boycott it completely shows a distinct lack of imagination, creativity and intellect.

BTW FYP.


Your addition to my post is actually quite amusing, nice one.

No where did my post suggest we should not aspire to perfection, it just expressed that things can and do change and we should be prepared to adapt to the situations that arise. Nor did I say we should just accept such things without stating our opinions, I am all for it.

My opinion is some people love to cause trouble, taking minor things and trying to make them into some huge argument and only appear on the forum to criticise. Furthermore, tis my opinion that some just love to disagree with others just because of who they are or to voice "Opinions" just fit into a certain clique.

Sharing opinions is a good thing, whinging on when you will not back up your words with actions, is not.

Certain people do indeed make a big noise about the apparent faults with APAT but if they really felt so strongly about such things then they would cease to bother with APAT or play any of the events, they do not.

Oh well, some people will never agree, a fundamental of life.



Such a contradiction in terms there.

Basically what you are saying is that you can voice an opinion, as long as it agrees with what is going on at the time  ? Gotta laugh at that one!

No one has slated APAT from what I can see, they have just voiced concerns over an issue and asked for the decision to be re thought. People have also given reasons why they feel this is wrong.

You, on the other hand, seem to be the trouble maker, calling people argumentative (just because they do not agree). Having a go at people who do not post on the forum regular, when every member can post as little or as much as they want (until banned that is)

So, get off your high horse and let others have their say without "chipping in" with needless comments. Of course you can post your opinion and reasons, but your last post is very argumentative and will only stir up trouble

All in my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: The Darkman on August 26, 2009, 01:30:00 AM
Nice friendly thread this. If the tables are half as lively I"ll be thoroughly looking forward to playing my first APAT event  :D
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 26, 2009, 02:02:52 AM








Or pull out if you do not like it.



Typical "no thought" reply.




Perfectly simple I would have thought, after reviewing all the details involved with the play and payment of these events, a person has the right to decide not to play if they do not like any aspect of the event.

My statement was just more succinct.



Well not really, because...........................

Players have bought into a competition, no doubt booked hotels/travel arrangements/time of work etc....

To pull out now would mean losing money over the buy in etc....

Now, had this been announced BEFORE players bought in, then I would accept your "dont like it, dont play" comment.


I know lots of words, but I"m not too good at the debating skills necessary to rearrange them into a convincing argument.



Perfection might be difficult - but that doesn"t mean we shouldn"t aspire to it.

To suggest that the only course of action when disagreeing with any aspect of the tour is to either say nothing and put up with it - or to boycott it completely shows a distinct lack of imagination, creativity and intellect.

BTW FYP.


Your addition to my post is actually quite amusing, nice one.

No where did my post suggest we should not aspire to perfection, it just expressed that things can and do change and we should be prepared to adapt to the situations that arise. Nor did I say we should just accept such things without stating our opinions, I am all for it.

My opinion is some people love to cause trouble, taking minor things and trying to make them into some huge argument and only appear on the forum to criticise. Furthermore, tis my opinion that some just love to disagree with others just because of who they are or to voice "Opinions" just fit into a certain clique.

Sharing opinions is a good thing, whinging on when you will not back up your words with actions, is not.

Certain people do indeed make a big noise about the apparent faults with APAT but if they really felt so strongly about such things then they would cease to bother with APAT or play any of the events, they do not.

Oh well, some people will never agree, a fundamental of life.



Such a contradiction in terms there.

Basically what you are saying is that you can voice an opinion, as long as it agrees with what is going on at the time  ? Gotta laugh at that one!

No one has slated APAT from what I can see, they have just voiced concerns over an issue and asked for the decision to be re thought. People have also given reasons why they feel this is wrong.

You, on the other hand, seem to be the trouble maker, calling people argumentative (just because they do not agree). Having a go at people who do not post on the forum regular, when every member can post as little or as much as they want (until banned that is)

So, get off your high horse and let others have their say without "chipping in" with needless comments. Of course you can post your opinion and reasons, but your last post is very argumentative and will only stir up trouble

All in my opinion of course.


Squire, why have you quoted JonMW"s amusing addition to my post and replied like they were my words ? ? (Highlighted in Red)

Now, let"s move on, all opinions are valid, whether they agree with what"s going on at the time or not and I have never suggested otherwise. I have my voice and you have yours, and they will never be in sync.

Indeed, APAT are trying to do their best from what I have read, if possible then winnings will be paid in cash. If not, then we have been advised ahead of time as to how we will be paid, and if people have problems transferring monies from their BSQ to banks then maybe APAT can arrange for a spouse"s account to be used instead.

I used the word "Argument" to indicate a debate, I did not specifically state anyone as being "Argumentative", and I have not "Had a go" at someone for not posting much but I referenced the fact that certain people only appear when trouble is afoot to join in, which is a different tact entirely.

Most kind of you to allow me to "Of course you can post your opinion and reasons..." and you you tell me to get off my high horse, amusing.
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: MintTrav on August 27, 2009, 00:42:02 AM

some just love to disagree with others

No they don"t
Title: Re: Player Briefing?
Post by: Bainn on August 27, 2009, 00:50:08 AM


some just love to disagree with others

No they don"t


Yes they do !