Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => World Championship of Amateur Poker (WCOAP) => Live Archive => Live Poker => WCOAP 2008 - 2012 => Topic started by: Gorvacofin on August 23, 2009, 18:58:40 PM
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Hi,
I"m playing in the WCOAP main event. I understand I have to have a Blue Sq Account before we arrive, so I"ve just downloaded the software. Do we have to actually have to deposit money on the site, and how do we prove to the organisers that we have an account?
Cheers.
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Not sure that is a pre requisite - but just register on the site anyway.
And a good introduction is the League game tonight only $10+1 if you want to sample the standard expertise skill looseness of the players
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To play the World Championship of Amateur at DTD all you need to be is a member of APAT - and as a member of the forum, you"re automatically a member of APAT.
Relax and enjoy your upcoming APAT experience.....
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Thanks guys.
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To play the World Championship of Amateur at DTD all you need to be is a member of APAT - and as a member of the forum, you"re automatically a member of APAT.
Relax and enjoy your upcoming APAT experience.....
I note in the briefing that the Omaha & HORSE payouts will be through BSq. Will they be verifying accounts on the spot or opening accounts for those that do not have them?
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To play the World Championship of Amateur at DTD all you need to be is a member of APAT - and as a member of the forum, you"re automatically a member of APAT.
Relax and enjoy your upcoming APAT experience.....
I note in the briefing that the Omaha & HORSE payouts will be through BSq. Will they be verifying accounts on the spot or opening accounts for those that do not have them?
I would imagine that the latter is the obvious answer.
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To play the World Championship of Amateur at DTD all you need to be is a member of APAT - and as a member of the forum, you"re automatically a member of APAT.
Relax and enjoy your upcoming APAT experience.....
I note in the briefing that the Omaha & HORSE payouts will be through BSq. Will they be verifying accounts on the spot or opening accounts for those that do not have them?
I would imagine that the latter is the obvious answer.
Frankly, I think this is a bit off. This has never been the process before and to (AFAIK) sneak this in a this late stage is not playing ball.
What if I don"t WANT a BSq account...are they going to pay me cash in hand..do we all get the option?
(By the way, I do have a BSq Account but it"s the devil"s advocate in me wanting to know for thems that don"t)
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can"t say i"m particularly enamoured with the idea either, but presumed i"d just missed it when it had been mentioned earlier. I"m on a pretty strict budget next weekend, and was hoping that if I cashed in the omaha I could splash out a bit!
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can"t say i"m particularly enamoured with the idea either, but presumed i"d just missed it when it had been mentioned earlier. I"m on a pretty strict budget next weekend, and was hoping that if I cashed in the omaha I could splash out a bit!
I"d prefer cash, unused notes and hopefully quite a large amount. Thanks
Ian
ps
in a brown paper bag is the norm I believe!
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To be paid into a Blue Square Account is so wrong in many ways IMO.
Never happened before, and never should!
Cash paid for an event - winnings should be paid cash on the day.
Claire makes a very valid point for those on strict budgets.
This decision should be reversed, and quickly!
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Yeah don"t like this at all.
If I happen to ship anything in my pissed up state over the weekend I fully intend to spend the lot on strippers next door.
How can I do this if it"s stuck in my bluesquare account.
Bad times.
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Yeah don"t like this at all.
If I happen to ship anything in my pissed up state over the weekend I fully intend to spend the lot on strippers next door.
How can I do this if it"s stuck in my bluesquare account.
Bad times.
But it wouldnt be stuck in your Blue Sq Account, as it will take 5 days to get there!!
Just imagine playing the DTD £300 , winning the comp for £20k+. You go to collect your prize and the cash desk says "It will be paid into your DTD online poker account in 5 days"
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I did not pay cash, I used my debit card, so winnings going into my BSQ account is groovy with me.
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I did not pay cash, I used my debit card, so winnings going into my BSQ account is groovy with me.
Same reasoning though, you paid for an event and the money left your account that moment - so why make you wait 5 days for your winnings irrespective of how it is paid out.
Like I said, it is wrong in so many ways
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It may not be the case, but
it looks like a cynical ploy to get new sign ups and to get money into the accounts of people already with accounts.
I also don"t see how it fits in with the principle of "responsible gambling" which I"m sure every poker site and poker room is signed up for.
I don"t actually see a maximum daily deposit limit on Blue Square advertised - but the top prize is well over the maximum daily deposit limit for most sites I"m on which have set one. Pokerstars, for example, have a $600 daily limit and a $1500 weekly one - the winners of the 2 events will have £1300 and £1000 deposited into their Blue Square accounts in one go - how can this be considered responsible?
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Where as I can understand any winner wanting to be paid out there and then, I don"t think it is too much of a problem for the majority of APATers after all most of us play the APAT events on BSQ, and lets not forget the added value BSQ put into many of our events. The chance to play in the GUKPT is a massive incentive for most of us ( just missed out at the last event :"( ) Lets support our sponsors ra ra ra!! ;)
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For what its worth, I don"t think this is a sensible idea. I suppose its no different to writing a cheque for the amount but at least that would be paid into your bank account.
Personally, I have been having so much trouble with my account. I have been in contact via email with bluesq and have now given up on them sorting out my account as I had 3 of the exact same emails regarding my problem and it seems no-one is taking any notice.
Therefore, in the event I cash I would strongly not wish to have winnings paid into my apparently non-existent bluesq account, but if a decision had been made then heyho.
Can"t wait for Thursday on a plus note, wooop
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I"m all in favour of supporting BSq (although I"d be a bigger supporter if their software was any good).
However, why are the Omaha & HORSE events singled out? If you are going to sneak this idea in then it should apply to all events.
Finally, as I said, what if you don"t have or want a BSq account? I"m still waiting on a reply to that.
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Sorry if I have missed something - what do Blue Square add to the tournaments as I thought it was nothing.
I have no problem with Blue Square BUT to be made to take winnings in this way is wrong.
JonMW made a good point - which is why I have previously said "wrong in so many ways"
APAT - please reconsider this.
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Sorry if I have missed something - what do Blue Square add to the tournaments as I thought it was nothing.
Well they are the sponsors so, in association with the Grosvenor Group, they provide the added value (GUKPT seat), venue and cover the vig.
APAT - please reconsider this.
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Sorry if I have missed something - what do Blue Square add to the tournaments as I thought it was nothing.
I have no problem with Blue Square BUT to be made to take winnings in this way is wrong.
JonMW made a good point - which is why I have previously said "wrong in so many ways"
APAT - please reconsider this.
BlueSQ pay for the venue, they effectively pay the reg fee, and for many of the events there are the additional prizes of seats for GUKPT events, etc.
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My Bad, forgot about the added seat.
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There is a bit of background to the Blue Square thing, but I can"t go into the details here. It is definitely not a requirement of our agreement with them. The Omaha and Horse events are very small player wise and are largely being played by the die hards, of whom a very high percentage will already have a BSQ account.
I still very much hope that we can pay the players for those two events directly at DTD though. However, if that is not possible, it will have to be by Blue Square account. Obviously you may need to trust that APAT only ever acts in the interests of our members, so there is good reason for the above.
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Thanks, Des!
I think we could all guess that there is some background issue...erm..in the background. Thanks for keeping us informed.
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... Obviously you may need to trust that APAT only ever acts in the interests of our members, so there is good reason for the above.
Yes, but - it doesn"t "look" good
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I can"t see the issue here except for people whinging as they have nothing better to do. Some people are well prepared to take take take from APAT but when they have to give a little we get a bunch of mini Arthur Scargills ::)
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Another issue is that BSq only deal in dollars...so there will be conversion rate/charges issues when trying to withdraw.
Not from BSq but Neteller etc.
I"ll take cash in hand please.
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I can"t see the issue here except for people whinging as they have nothing better to do. Some people are well prepared to take take take from APAT but when they have to give a little we get a bunch of mini Arthur Scargills ::)
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Very well said Sir.
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Another issue is that BSq only deal in dollars...so there will be conversion rate/charges issues when trying to withdraw.
Not from BSq but Neteller etc.
I"ll take cash in hand please.
I"ve already mentioned that - I don"t know how much - but it"ll cost something
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There is a bit of background to the Blue Square thing, but I can"t go into the details here. It is definitely not a requirement of our agreement with them. The Omaha and Horse events are very small player wise and are largely being played by the die hards, of whom a very high percentage will already have a BSQ account.
I still very much hope that we can pay the players for those two events directly at DTD though. However, if that is not possible, it will have to be by Blue Square account. Obviously you may need to trust that APAT only ever acts in the interests of our members, so there is good reason for the above.
;D
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I can"t see the issue here except for people whinging as they have nothing better to do. Some people are well prepared to take take take from APAT but when they have to give a little we get a bunch of mini Arthur Scargills ::)
Irony.
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I can"t see the issue here except for people whinging as they have nothing better to do. Some people are well prepared to take take take from APAT but when they have to give a little we get a bunch of mini Arthur Scargills ::)
Irony.
Maybe, but did not someone state on here that "Irony" was wasted on a forum ? ?
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I can"t see the issue here except for people whinging as they have nothing better to do. Some people are well prepared to take take take from APAT but when they have to give a little we get a bunch of mini Arthur Scargills ::)
It is not because we have nothing better to do. Stop being so small minded.
It is because some people WILL voice their opinion about matters when they think the matter in question is wrong, irrespective of whom may be upset by it.
To introduce "how paid" at such a late stage is not good at all ( it is the same as advertising an hour long clock, collecting all the money in, then 5 minutes before the start saying it will now be a 15 minute clock imo)- irrespective of the reasons. As I have said, if this was announced at the start then I doubt it would of caused as much debate.
Not only do you have to have the money paid into a blue square account, you have to wait 5 days for it to arrive, then a further 3-4 days for the cash to hit your account (using Neteller) which makes a total of over 1 week. You also have the currency fluctuations to deal with along with associated fees of withdrawing.
How about people who would rather deal in cash, for what ever reason.
What about the people who do not have a bank account? Can your winnings be paid to another person for them to withdraw? I would not think so.
Just because this issue does not affect you, it may affect others because of their circumstances.
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Yep I am small minded and very ironic but those are my issues and I promise to work on them.
I just think that without Bluesq there would be no APAT tour they plow tens of thousands into this tour every year and to call them cynical, irresponsible, slag their software and for them to be given the rub down on an open forum is bad form, please don"t bite the hand that feeds you.
People are prepared to sit in casinos paid for by Bluesq, have their reg fee paid for by Bluesq, be dealt by a dealer paid for by Bluesq, eat dinner paid for by Bluesq and take added money and seats off Bluesq, I may be small minded but not enough to realise that a minor inconvenience like signing up for an account and waiting a few days to be paid is not too much to give back.
And you are right it doesn"t affect me (or anyone in fact) as you have to cash first to have this problem so not a bad problem to have after all and if you don"t cash how have your circumstances been affected?
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This is a very frustrating thread. Rest assured that there are reasons why this decision has had to be made, as Des has mentioned.
Hopefully, payments can be made in cash at DTD, but it is always good to have a backup plan.
It is also better to be upfront about it. You only have to ask those lucky enough to have collected their winnings from Vienna last year by cheque from the poker club. I think it took a little longer than 2 days to get access to the funds. ;)
We are dealing here with APAT, DTD & Blue Square, which are three very respected poker organisations, who will be doing what is best for the poker players.
I for one would be very happy if money has to be paid into my Blue Square account as that would mean I have cashed. (So, in reality, this is not a problem I will need to worry about) ;D
Anyway, come Thursday, if anyone has played well enough to cash, I"m sure it will not matter as much, unless you just enjoy debating anyway.
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Yep I am small minded and very ironic but those are my issues and I promise to work on them.
I just think that without Bluesq there would be no APAT tour they plow tens of thousands into this tour every year and to call them cynical, irresponsible, slag their software and for them to be given the rub down on an open forum is bad form, please don"t bite the hand that feeds you.
People are prepared to sit in casinos paid for by Bluesq, have their reg fee paid for by Bluesq, be dealt by a dealer paid for by Bluesq, eat dinner paid for by Bluesq and take added money and seats off Bluesq, I may be small minded but not enough to realise that a minor inconvenience like signing up for an account and waiting a few days to be paid is not too much to give back.
And you are right it doesn"t affect me (or anyone in fact) as you have to cash first to have this problem so not a bad problem to have after all and if you don"t cash how have your circumstances been affected?
Nice post, and i agree if you do not cash then it is not an issue but who knows who will cash or not until after the event.
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Yep I am small minded and very ironic but those are my issues and I promise to work on them.
I just think that without Bluesq there would be no APAT tour they plow tens of thousands into this tour every year and to call them cynical, irresponsible, slag their software and for them to be given the rub down on an open forum is bad form, please don"t bite the hand that feeds you.
People are prepared to sit in casinos paid for by Bluesq, have their reg fee paid for by Bluesq, be dealt by a dealer paid for by Bluesq, eat dinner paid for by Bluesq and take added money and seats off Bluesq, I may be small minded but not enough to realise that a minor inconvenience like signing up for an account and waiting a few days to be paid is not too much to give back.
And you are right it doesn"t affect me (or anyone in fact) as you have to cash first to have this problem so not a bad problem to have after all and if you don"t cash how have your circumstances been affected?
But surely the only way that APAT can move forward and progress is through listening to the thoughts and opinions of its members? Paul merely put forward a point of view that has merit, and others have agreed with it. You might disagree with his opinion, but it"s far better to argue against the opinion rather than attack the individual.
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Yep I am small minded and very ironic but those are my issues and I promise to work on them.
I just think that without Bluesq there would be no APAT tour they plow tens of thousands into this tour every year and to call them cynical, irresponsible, slag their software and for them to be given the rub down on an open forum is bad form, please don"t bite the hand that feeds you.
People are prepared to sit in casinos paid for by Bluesq, have their reg fee paid for by Bluesq, be dealt by a dealer paid for by Bluesq, eat dinner paid for by Bluesq and take added money and seats off Bluesq, I may be small minded but not enough to realise that a minor inconvenience like signing up for an account and waiting a few days to be paid is not too much to give back.
And you are right it doesn"t affect me (or anyone in fact) as you have to cash first to have this problem so not a bad problem to have after all and if you don"t cash how have your circumstances been affected?
But surely the only way that APAT can move forward and progress is through listening to the thoughts and opinions of its members? Paul merely put forward a point of view that has merit, and others have agreed with it. You might disagree with his opinion, but it"s far better to argue against the opinion rather than attack the individual.
Yep I agree but I"m not sure I attacked the individual? The point may have been valid but the tone of the thread was anti bluesq (not by M3) it was just M3 who chose to answer (and attack me) and your wonderful one word contribution was a great help as well.
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No problem.
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I don"t have a huge problem with winnings being paid into a BlueSQ account (not least because my chances of cashing are almost nil) as a backup method - with cash being preferred - but I haven"t had the impression that it was the backup method, more that it was the preferred method. If cash will be paid to all who want it if possible, then that"s all we can ask IMO.
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I don"t have a huge problem with winnings being paid into a BlueSQ account (not least because my chances of cashing are almost nil) as a backup method - with cash being preferred - but I haven"t had the impression that it was the backup method, more that it was the preferred method. If cash will be paid to all who want it if possible, then that"s all we can ask IMO.
I for one agree
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There is a bit of background to the Blue Square thing, but I can"t go into the details here. It is definitely not a requirement of our agreement with them. The Omaha and Horse events are very small player wise and are largely being played by the die hards, of whom a very high percentage will already have a BSQ account.
I still very much hope that we can pay the players for those two events directly at DTD though. However, if that is not possible, it will have to be by Blue Square account. Obviously you may need to trust that APAT only ever acts in the interests of our members, so there is good reason for the above.
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can"t believe i just spent 5 mins of my life reading this thread! APAT does what"s best for it"s membership on every occasion. If there is difficulty paying out in cash, and winnings have to be paid via BSQ account, so be it - I will just accept the fact that there must be a good reason for it.
Now.... just need to make the cash so I have an interest in how this debate concludes.....
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PUT YOUR TRUST IN THE APAT ITS THEM WHO LOOK AFTER YOU TRUST TRUST TRUST STOP YOUR MOANING YOU PEASANTS . MOST OF US ARE ON A BUDGET SO WHAT JUST ENJOY THE CARDS STUFF THE DOSH YOU WILL GET IT EVENTUALLY
nice.
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Sorry but this just doesn"t make any sense at all to me.
If there"s a problem getting hold of the actual "cash" then how come the ME isn"t being paid via Blue Square?
If it was all 3 tournaments I could probably understand. Why are the omaha and HORSE being singled out?
If we have to be paid out via Blue Square how come we could pay in another way?
Also it"s all well and good people saying that this is just moaning but I know for a fact that these things can become a problem. A friend of mine won a sizeable amount from the Virgin festival and had a nightmare getting his money. The money was in his virgin account but he had all the hassle of sending off documents to prove that the account was his before he could withdraw.
By the time he"d paid net teller charges and lost a bit through the x rate he"d lost a fair bit of his total prize. This is effectively reducing the value of his buy in as he didn"t get a full pay out.
I know that APAT aren"t doing this to be awkward but it is important so needs to be discussed on an open forum particularly by people who are playing in the event.
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This thread has put me on life tilt.
How can anyone in their right mind think this is acceptable.
samuel_9 yeah money isnt everything, but please let me know if your attending and i will put my seats on the seat exchange
kthxbye
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In case anyone"s wondering, Stuart is the friend I mentioned who had a nightmare with this sort of thing before.
He is in a good position to comment on this and I think you can see from his comments that he doesn"t entirely relish the situation because of his previous experiences.
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I"ve already stated earlier that I"m ok with whatever way the payouts happen.
At the same time I understand people"s concerns and truly don"t think your bashing them for voicing those genuine concerns is appropriate or helpful for anyone.
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Sorry guys, getting heated on this thread will not help the situation one bit. We are all in this together to a degree and I will get personally involved should any player have issues arising out of a potential payment into their Blue Square account.
The simple matter is that there has been a slight misunderstanding between Blue Square and DTD over the payment method used for transferring some player entry and venue hire fees. Blue Square issued cheques to DTD last week and should they clear in time; which they should, then all tournaments will be paid as per normal APAT procedures at DTD. If the cheques do not clear then having the contingency payment plan in place via Blue Square accounts ensures the events go ahead. The amount of money concerned is relatively small, which is why the alternative payout plan was put against the Omaha and Horse events; which will have 9 small cashes and 5 small cashes respectively, and not the main event, which will have several large cashes.
APAT have always been in the business of facing challenges head on and we worked very hard with both of our partners on this event to sort out the issue, but essentially we are all in the hands of accounts departments on this one. As a very last resort we proposed the Blue Square account payment option.
Blue Square have been a superb sponsor of APAT as somebody wrote elsewhere in this thread. For this event alone, they have covered your registration fees, venue fees, two buffets plus put up an entry to the GUKPT Grand Final worth over £3k. They have also paid for the trophy and the medals and the organiser expenses. I think that is worthy of consideration.
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Stu cashed in a tourney?
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Stu cashed in a tourney?
I used to cash in tourneys a fair bit
Then I got to know people like you, cos and the shrewdies 5th level game plans
Since then my game has been destroyed
I blame you George
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I believe the ipoker network has similar security systems in place that mean anyone withdrawing over £500 will have to submit ID but I may be wrong.
Not in my experience, maybe the first time but that would be it and as you know that is standard across most sites. Also didn"t have any hassle getting cash out of virgin but then again didn"t use Neteller.
Sounds like you had a bit of hassle Stu but maybe you should have let someone responsible deal with it.... :D
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I believe the ipoker network has similar security systems in place that mean anyone withdrawing over £500 will have to submit ID but I may be wrong.
Not in my experience, maybe the first time but that would be it and as you know that is standard across most sites. Also didn"t have any hassle getting cash out of virgin but then again didn"t use Neteller.
Sounds like you had a bit of hassle Stu but maybe you should have let someone responsible deal with it.... :D
Good evening Mr Eck
As I said I may be wrong about Ipoker, pretty sure I only deposit on their skins, never withdraw.
I didnt use netteller with drawing the Virgin money. Just the normal cashier was it WebDollar? the standard one pre to the website they use now. It was a combination of a lot of things, they took their time to credit the account, the amount was wrong due to the exchange rate, the fact WebDollar used a "hotel" exchange rate, making a profit on the withdrawl, i requested the withdrawl, after a week they said it hadnt been recieved, after another week they said there was a problem, after another week they requested I send passport and proof of address to switzerland, 2 weeks later the money was in my account.
I know this isnt the same as what is happening here, but possibly helps Des understand why I got my back up.
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I HAVE REMOVED MY POSTS BECAUSE IT SEEMS I HAVE OFFENDED SOME PLAYERS I WOULD NEVER EVER OFFEND ANYONE SO I APAPOLOGISE FOR OFFENDING THOSE PLAYERS THIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION AS FOR THE PEASENT THING IT WAS ON PRIME EVIL TV SERIOUS ITS WAS A JOKE SO I HOPE 2 C YOUS ALL AT THE WEEKEND FOR A GOOD GAME OF CARDS
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I can see samuel_9 retracted his statement. I applaud this and agree the "peasant" comment was not helpful to the debate. With regard to the "maybe samuel_9 is not a person" comment. I know Samuel_9 personally and can assure you he is very much a person and I am always happy to sit at a poker table with him, even if he does always end up with my chips(with or without salt and vinegar). I personally will be delighted to have such a wonderful problem as ensuring poker winnings arrive in my bank account. If it takes a few days then rest assurred ill not have blown it all on beer and cash tables. I am really looking forward to this weekend and I know Samuel_9 is also.
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Sorry guys, getting heated on this thread will not help the situation one bit. We are all in this together to a degree and I will get personally involved should any player have issues arising out of a potential payment into their Blue Square account.
I don"t think anyone is suggesting that APAT or indeed BlueSq or DTD would act in anything other than the player"s best interest - this is certainly not what I am suggesting.
The simple matter is that there has been a slight misunderstanding between Blue Square and DTD over the payment method used for transferring some player entry and venue hire fees. Blue Square issued cheques to DTD last week and should they clear in time; which they should, then all tournaments will be paid as per normal APAT procedures at DTD. If the cheques do not clear then having the contingency payment plan in place via Blue Square accounts ensures the events go ahead. The amount of money concerned is relatively small, which is why the alternative payout plan was put against the Omaha and Horse events; which will have 9 small cashes and 5 small cashes respectively, and not the main event, which will have several large cashes.
APAT have always been in the business of facing challenges head on and we worked very hard with both of our partners on this event to sort out the issue, but essentially we are all in the hands of accounts departments on this one. As a very last resort we proposed the Blue Square account payment option.
I still can"t quite get my head round it... If the problem with paying is cash is that the cheques might not clear (which makes sense), how come the Main Event can still be paid out in cash, regardless of whether they clear or not? It would make more sense to guarantee that the smaller events will be paid out in cash and use the contingency plan to cover the Main Event in the eventuality that there is a problem with the payments, no? Only way I can see this making sense is that the bulk of what is owed to DTD in player entries and venue hire fees has already paid, and it is only a relatively small remainder that is still outstanding and dependent on these cheques clearing to DTD...is this the case?
Either way, I think the main problem that people have with this is that they feel it"s been sprung on them at the last minute, and as far as I could tell, until anyone mentioned it, the information from APAt (via the Player Briefing) was that the Omaha and HORSE would be paid into BlueSq. Full Stop. No mention of paying in cash if possible, with BlueSq as a backup, so I think more clarity there would have avoided a lot of the hassle in this thread. Perhaps in the future if there is any chance that this might occur (and I can understand if it"s not something that"s happened before, then it"s hard to plan for before now), then the briefing could just contain a rider stating something along the lines of "All prizes will be paid in cash where possible, but in the unlikely event that for any reason this is not possible, then prizes will be paid into a Blue Square account."... or something similar, you get the gist.
Blue Square have been a superb sponsor of APAT as somebody wrote elsewhere in this thread. For this event alone, they have covered your registration fees, venue fees, two buffets plus put up an entry to the GUKPT Grand Final worth over £3k. They have also paid for the trophy and the medals and the organiser expenses. I think that is worthy of consideration.
As I said above, I don"t doubt this one bit, I"m well aware of the value which BlueSquare add to APAT, but it"s not Blue Square that people have an issue with, it would be the same regardless of which poker site the winnings were paid into, people would much prefer to have the cash. I know I for one could do with having the cash on me for cash games or other tournaments etc right away, with times being a bit tough right now. In the event that the cheque(s) in question do not clear, is there any chance of arranging some sort of partial payout in cash should people really need/want a few quid in their pocket to help cover the extra costs of the weekend? Not feasible or acceptable to DTD perhaps, but might be a good compromise for the small number who may be affected.
All in all, it"s an unfortunate situation and has been made worse by some viewing those with objections as being "moaners" or whatever. I think it"s perfectly acceptable for people to voice their opinions on a matter which may well affect them detrimentally.
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Heated indeed.
Was no way meant as an attack on APAT/Blue Sq or indeed DTD.
Just wanted to raise my points on the payout into an online account which would take over a week to get your money in cash.
I appreciate Des that you are indeed working hard for APAT and Blue Sq are great sponsors.
I was more saddened to the attacks on the people with a different opinion, there was no need for this.
Debate is good, until it gets personal
Looking foward to donating my chips to someone on Thursday :)
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Ok
shall we just attempt to play cards as it"s quite obvious that"s what we all want to do. I know I do and for the last 12 years it"s all I"ve wanted to be able to do.
I"ve still not managed it!
See you all Thursday for cards and niceties!
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Im sure the payout situation will resolve itself and I have a big bag!!
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I will get personally involved should any player have issues arising out of a potential payment into their Blue Square account.
Surely end of debate??
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please put your faith in des and the apat theyer looking after your intrests
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I completely agree that people should be able to discuss this topic; provided it is in a fair and reasonable manner, which I believe it largely has been to date.
To answer a couple of your specific queries Ian:
With regards to funds, APAT has already transferred the majority of the prize pool to DTD, which more than covers the main event prize pool. The amount in clearing is relatively small.
It has been sprung on us all last minute unfortunately but I don"t necessarily think the players who are disappointed with this position would have been more pacified if the rider footnote was carried in every player briefing.
At this point every player should assume the cheques will not clear, which is why the player briefing stated what it did.
Under those circumstances no payments would be made at DTD. Only 9 of 81 players will cash in the Omaha (5 in the Horse) and I think it is a very risky strategy if players are reliant on making the top 10% of either of those events to get through the rest of their weekend. That said, I seriously hope no player is inconvenienced by this late change.
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I completely agree that people should be able to discuss this topic; provided it is in a fair and reasonable manner, which I believe it largely has been to date.
To answer a couple of your specific queries Ian:
With regards to funds, APAT has already transferred the majority of the prize pool to DTD, which more than covers the main event prize pool. The amount in clearing is relatively small.
It has been sprung on us all last minute unfortunately but I don"t necessarily think the players who are disappointed with this position would have been more pacified if the rider footnote was carried in every player briefing.
At this point every player should assume the cheques will not clear, which is why the player briefing stated what it did.
Under those circumstances no payments would be made at DTD. Only 9 of 81 players will cash in the Omaha (5 in the Horse) and I think it is a very risky strategy if players are reliant on making the top 10% of either of those events to get through the rest of their weekend. That said, I seriously hope no player is inconvenienced by this late change.
All sounds fair enough Des, while not ideal for those whom it might affect. Hopefully it"ll all work out anyway and my paycheque will come through before the weekend so I can make my donation to the poker community without having to rely on cashing in one of the events. :D
With regards to the part in bold though, I don"t think I explained myself very well. What I meant was, if I was fortunate enough to win the HORSE event for example and take £1000, I would probably play some cash if I was paid out in note form as usual, but with a payment into BlueSquare, this would be impossible, that was all I mean, it might prevent people from enjoying their winnings that same weekend, for those who do not have a spare grand or so lying around to cover it until payday...
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excellent post 3NIGM4 *thumbs up*
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excellent post 3NIGM4 *thumbs up*
Why thank you, donations are always welcome... I"m a whiskey drinker if that helps. :D ;D
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I completely agree that people should be able to discuss this topic; provided it is in a fair and reasonable manner, which I believe it largely has been to date.
To answer a couple of your specific queries Ian:
With regards to funds, APAT has already transferred the majority of the prize pool to DTD, which more than covers the main event prize pool. The amount in clearing is relatively small.
It has been sprung on us all last minute unfortunately but I don"t necessarily think the players who are disappointed with this position would have been more pacified if the rider footnote was carried in every player briefing.
At this point every player should assume the cheques will not clear, which is why the player briefing stated what it did.
Under those circumstances no payments would be made at DTD. Only 9 of 81 players will cash in the Omaha (5 in the Horse) and I think it is a very risky strategy if players are reliant on making the top 10% of either of those events to get through the rest of their weekend. That said, I seriously hope no player is inconvenienced by this late change.
All sounds fair enough Des, while not ideal for those whom it might affect. Hopefully it"ll all work out anyway and my paycheque will come through before the weekend so I can make my donation to the poker community without having to rely on cashing in one of the events. :D
With regards to the part in bold though, I don"t think I explained myself very well. What I meant was, if I was fortunate enough to win the HORSE event for example and take £1000, I would probably play some cash if I was paid out in note form as usual, but with a payment into BlueSquare, this would be impossible, that was all I mean, it might prevent people from enjoying their winnings that same weekend, for those who do not have a spare grand or so lying around to cover it until payday...
If I won £1,000 in the Horse event I don"t think I"d stop running until I hit the M42 ;) :D
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If I won £1,000 in the Horse event I don"t think I"d stop running until I hit the M42 ;) :D
I dunno, I suspect that event will end up being won by someone who will openly admit not knowing how to play most of the games... After all, limit is clearly designed to frustrate those competent at it by always rewarding the newbies with victory!
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Sorry guys, getting heated on this thread will not help the situation one bit. We are all in this together to a degree and I will get personally involved should any player have issues arising out of a potential payment into their Blue Square account.
The simple matter is that there has been a slight misunderstanding between Blue Square and DTD over the payment method used for transferring some player entry and venue hire fees. Blue Square issued cheques to DTD last week and should they clear in time; which they should, then all tournaments will be paid as per normal APAT procedures at DTD. If the cheques do not clear then having the contingency payment plan in place via Blue Square accounts ensures the events go ahead. The amount of money concerned is relatively small, which is why the alternative payout plan was put against the Omaha and Horse events; which will have 9 small cashes and 5 small cashes respectively, and not the main event, which will have several large cashes.
APAT have always been in the business of facing challenges head on and we worked very hard with both of our partners on this event to sort out the issue, but essentially we are all in the hands of accounts departments on this one. As a very last resort we proposed the Blue Square account payment option.
Blue Square have been a superb sponsor of APAT as somebody wrote elsewhere in this thread. For this event alone, they have covered your registration fees, venue fees, two buffets plus put up an entry to the GUKPT Grand Final worth over £3k. They have also paid for the trophy and the medals and the organiser expenses. I think that is worthy of consideration.
Thanks Des,
However can"t help feeling if this info had been posted in the first place we wouldn"t be having this debate. Just food for thought for the future.
p.s. Had to say summat, couldn"t have Christian having the last word ;)
Geo
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I completely agree that people should be able to discuss this topic; provided it is in a fair and reasonable manner, which I believe it largely has been to date.
To answer a couple of your specific queries Ian:
With regards to funds, APAT has already transferred the majority of the prize pool to DTD, which more than covers the main event prize pool. The amount in clearing is relatively small.
It has been sprung on us all last minute unfortunately but I don"t necessarily think the players who are disappointed with this position would have been more pacified if the rider footnote was carried in every player briefing.
At this point every player should assume the cheques will not clear, which is why the player briefing stated what it did.
Under those circumstances no payments would be made at DTD. Only 9 of 81 players will cash in the Omaha (5 in the Horse) and I think it is a very risky strategy if players are reliant on making the top 10% of either of those events to get through the rest of their weekend. That said, I seriously hope no player is inconvenienced by this late change.
All sounds fair enough Des, while not ideal for those whom it might affect. Hopefully it"ll all work out anyway and my paycheque will come through before the weekend so I can make my donation to the poker community without having to rely on cashing in one of the events. :D
With regards to the part in bold though, I don"t think I explained myself very well. What I meant was, if I was fortunate enough to win the HORSE event for example and take £1000, I would probably play some cash if I was paid out in note form as usual, but with a payment into BlueSquare, this would be impossible, that was all I mean, it might prevent people from enjoying their winnings that same weekend, for those who do not have a spare grand or so lying around to cover it until payday...
If I won £1,000 in the Horse event I don"t think I"d stop running until I hit the M42 ;) :D
Anything to get out of buying a round.
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I can see samuel_9 retracted his statement. I applaud this and agree the "peasant" comment was not helpful to the debate. With regard to the "maybe samuel_9 is not a person" comment. I know Samuel_9 personally and can assure you he is very much a person and I am always happy to sit at a poker table with him, even if he does always end up with my chips(with or without salt and vinegar). I personally will be delighted to have such a wonderful problem as ensuring poker winnings arrive in my bank account. If it takes a few days then rest assurred ill not have blown it all on beer and cash tables. I am really looking forward to this weekend and I know Samuel_9 is also.
Coprey
I take your point, im sure samuel_9 is a person, and a nice guy in real life. If he wants to introduce himself over the weekend I will get a plate of 50p chips, some salt and vinegar and also buy him a drink.
My comment did come across as personal, and I have no idea who this guy is. My comment was purely based on some inane posts, one at poor people, one saying he will eat my chips, and a complete lack of knowledge about the CAPS key.
Apologies
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Sorry guys, getting heated on this thread will not help the situation one bit. We are all in this together to a degree and I will get personally involved should any player have issues arising out of a potential payment into their Blue Square account.
The simple matter is that there has been a slight misunderstanding between Blue Square and DTD over the payment method used for transferring some player entry and venue hire fees. Blue Square issued cheques to DTD last week and should they clear in time; which they should, then all tournaments will be paid as per normal APAT procedures at DTD. If the cheques do not clear then having the contingency payment plan in place via Blue Square accounts ensures the events go ahead. The amount of money concerned is relatively small, which is why the alternative payout plan was put against the Omaha and Horse events; which will have 9 small cashes and 5 small cashes respectively, and not the main event, which will have several large cashes.
APAT have always been in the business of facing challenges head on and we worked very hard with both of our partners on this event to sort out the issue, but essentially we are all in the hands of accounts departments on this one. As a very last resort we proposed the Blue Square account payment option.
Blue Square have been a superb sponsor of APAT as somebody wrote elsewhere in this thread. For this event alone, they have covered your registration fees, venue fees, two buffets plus put up an entry to the GUKPT Grand Final worth over £3k. They have also paid for the trophy and the medals and the organiser expenses. I think that is worthy of consideration.
Thanks Des,
However can"t help feeling if this info had been posted in the first place we wouldn"t be having this debate. Just food for thought for the future.
p.s. Had to say summat, couldn"t have Christian having the last word ;)
Geo
Thats a tricky one. Sometimes it is not always possible, or sensible, to discuss every decision process within APAT openly on the forum. In this case, it may have been a lot simpler to have said what was going on in the first place, but I can just have seen another thread started entitled "APAT leaves DTD short changed to pay out for WCOAP" ;D , or other such similar topics.
This is no criticism of anyone in particular, it just seems a lot of time and effort has been spent by everyone over a simple lack of communication between Blue Square and DTD, which APAT has more than got in hand and has already made the best decision for the players in the circumstances.
In Des We Trust. ;D
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Sorry guys, getting heated on this thread will not help the situation one bit. We are all in this together to a degree and I will get personally involved should any player have issues arising out of a potential payment into their Blue Square account.
The simple matter is that there has been a slight misunderstanding between Blue Square and DTD over the payment method used for transferring some player entry and venue hire fees. Blue Square issued cheques to DTD last week and should they clear in time; which they should, then all tournaments will be paid as per normal APAT procedures at DTD. If the cheques do not clear then having the contingency payment plan in place via Blue Square accounts ensures the events go ahead. The amount of money concerned is relatively small, which is why the alternative payout plan was put against the Omaha and Horse events; which will have 9 small cashes and 5 small cashes respectively, and not the main event, which will have several large cashes.
APAT have always been in the business of facing challenges head on and we worked very hard with both of our partners on this event to sort out the issue, but essentially we are all in the hands of accounts departments on this one. As a very last resort we proposed the Blue Square account payment option.
Blue Square have been a superb sponsor of APAT as somebody wrote elsewhere in this thread. For this event alone, they have covered your registration fees, venue fees, two buffets plus put up an entry to the GUKPT Grand Final worth over £3k. They have also paid for the trophy and the medals and the organiser expenses. I think that is worthy of consideration.
Thanks Des,
However can"t help feeling if this info had been posted in the first place we wouldn"t be having this debate. Just food for thought for the future.
p.s. Had to say summat, couldn"t have Christian having the last word ;)
Geo
Thats a tricky one. Sometimes it is not always possible, or sensible, to discuss every decision process within APAT openly on the forum. In this case, it may have been a lot simpler to have said what was going on in the first place, but I can just have seen another thread started entitled "APAT leaves DTD short changed to pay out for WCOAP" ;D , or other such similar topics.
This is no criticism of anyone in particular, it just seems a lot of time and effort has been spent by everyone over a simple lack of communication between Blue Square and DTD, which APAT has more than got in hand and has already made the best decision for the players in the circumstances.
In Des We Trust. ;D
soon... lol
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Sorry guys, getting heated on this thread will not help the situation one bit. We are all in this together to a degree and I will get personally involved should any player have issues arising out of a potential payment into their Blue Square account.
The simple matter is that there has been a slight misunderstanding between Blue Square and DTD over the payment method used for transferring some player entry and venue hire fees. Blue Square issued cheques to DTD last week and should they clear in time; which they should, then all tournaments will be paid as per normal APAT procedures at DTD. If the cheques do not clear then having the contingency payment plan in place via Blue Square accounts ensures the events go ahead. The amount of money concerned is relatively small, which is why the alternative payout plan was put against the Omaha and Horse events; which will have 9 small cashes and 5 small cashes respectively, and not the main event, which will have several large cashes.
APAT have always been in the business of facing challenges head on and we worked very hard with both of our partners on this event to sort out the issue, but essentially we are all in the hands of accounts departments on this one. As a very last resort we proposed the Blue Square account payment option.
Blue Square have been a superb sponsor of APAT as somebody wrote elsewhere in this thread. For this event alone, they have covered your registration fees, venue fees, two buffets plus put up an entry to the GUKPT Grand Final worth over £3k. They have also paid for the trophy and the medals and the organiser expenses. I think that is worthy of consideration.
Thanks Des,
However can"t help feeling if this info had been posted in the first place we wouldn"t be having this debate. Just food for thought for the future.
p.s. Had to say summat, couldn"t have Christian having the last word ;)
Geo
Thats a tricky one. Sometimes it is not always possible, or sensible, to discuss every decision process within APAT openly on the forum. In this case, it may have been a lot simpler to have said what was going on in the first place, but I can just have seen another thread started entitled "APAT leaves DTD short changed to pay out for WCOAP" ;D , or other such similar topics.
This is no criticism of anyone in particular, it just seems a lot of time and effort has been spent by everyone over a simple lack of communication between Blue Square and DTD, which APAT has more than got in hand and has already made the best decision for the players in the circumstances.
In Des We Trust. ;D
You mean assume everything is being done for the best and any problems are unavoidable and it"ll all work out in the end?
Without any injection of cynicism whatsoever?
You have met poker players haven"t you?
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if anyone wins and has a problem with paying the money into there blusq account they are more then welcome to put it in my account(for you stu you would just be missing the poker bit out)
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if anyone wins and has a problem with paying the money into there blusq account they are more then welcome to put it in my account(for you stu you would just be missing the poker bit out)
Lets cut it down even further Al, ill bring a bag with me and just deposit in your back pocket while your not looking!
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if anyone wins and has a problem with paying the money into there blusq account they are more then welcome to put it in my account(for you stu you would just be missing the poker bit out)
Lets cut it down even further Al, ill bring a bag with me and just deposit in your back pocket while your not looking!
PEASANT!!
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Sorry guys, getting heated on this thread will not help the situation one bit. We are all in this together to a degree and I will get personally involved should any player have issues arising out of a potential payment into their Blue Square account.
The simple matter is that there has been a slight misunderstanding between Blue Square and DTD over the payment method used for transferring some player entry and venue hire fees. Blue Square issued cheques to DTD last week and should they clear in time; which they should, then all tournaments will be paid as per normal APAT procedures at DTD. If the cheques do not clear then having the contingency payment plan in place via Blue Square accounts ensures the events go ahead. The amount of money concerned is relatively small, which is why the alternative payout plan was put against the Omaha and Horse events; which will have 9 small cashes and 5 small cashes respectively, and not the main event, which will have several large cashes.
APAT have always been in the business of facing challenges head on and we worked very hard with both of our partners on this event to sort out the issue, but essentially we are all in the hands of accounts departments on this one. As a very last resort we proposed the Blue Square account payment option.
Blue Square have been a superb sponsor of APAT as somebody wrote elsewhere in this thread. For this event alone, they have covered your registration fees, venue fees, two buffets plus put up an entry to the GUKPT Grand Final worth over £3k. They have also paid for the trophy and the medals and the organiser expenses. I think that is worthy of consideration.
Thanks Des,
However can"t help feeling if this info had been posted in the first place we wouldn"t be having this debate. Just food for thought for the future.
p.s. Had to say summat, couldn"t have Christian having the last word ;)
Geo
Thats a tricky one. Sometimes it is not always possible, or sensible, to discuss every decision process within APAT openly on the forum. In this case, it may have been a lot simpler to have said what was going on in the first place, but I can just have seen another thread started entitled "APAT leaves DTD short changed to pay out for WCOAP" ;D , or other such similar topics.
This is no criticism of anyone in particular, it just seems a lot of time and effort has been spent by everyone over a simple lack of communication between Blue Square and DTD, which APAT has more than got in hand and has already made the best decision for the players in the circumstances.
In Des We Trust. ;D
You mean assume everything is being done for the best and any problems are unavoidable and it"ll all work out in the end?
Without any injection of cynicism whatsoever?
You have met poker players haven"t you?
Jon,
You know that is not what I mean.
No problems having the debate, but as usual, these things can get blown out of all proportions. You for one, know the sort of things that can happen behind the scenes when dealing with some of these large organisations. Especially getting information from them.
With all the best plans in the world, things can change, and decisions have to be taken. If this process was put up for a public debate every time, I have a feeling we may still be playing events in season one.
APAT has always, and will always do the best possible for it"s players. I would hope that everyone genuinely believes that, in which case, sometimes you have to trust that, without things getting stirred up for no gain to anyone.
The matter has been addressed, so let"s just move on to what will be a great four days of poker for all.
Leigh
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:D I was only doing it to see if the "Leigh isn"t a poker player" implication would slide through unnoticed :D
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:D I was only doing it to see if the "Leigh isn"t a poker player" implication would slide through unnoticed :D
Thats a standard statement, so I doubt anyone would have thought it at all controversial. ;D
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p.s. Had to say summat, couldn"t have Christian having the last word ;)
Geo
What ever do you mean ? ?
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if anyone wins and has a problem with paying the money into there blusq account they are more then welcome to put it in my account(for you stu you would just be missing the poker bit out)
Lets cut it down even further Al, ill bring a bag with me and just deposit in your back pocket while your not looking!
PEASANT!!
For the sake of clarity, "Peasantry" is also a valid word in the English language.
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if anyone wins and has a problem with paying the money into there blusq account they are more then welcome to put it in my account(for you stu you would just be missing the poker bit out)
Lets cut it down even further Al, ill bring a bag with me and just deposit in your back pocket while your not looking!
PEASANT!!
For the sake of clarity, "Peasantry" is also a valid word in the English language.
It might well be, but it"d be completely incorrect for Matt to use it in that context.
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if anyone wins and has a problem with paying the money into there blusq account they are more then welcome to put it in my account(for you stu you would just be missing the poker bit out)
Lets cut it down even further Al, ill bring a bag with me and just deposit in your back pocket while your not looking!
PEASANT!!
For the sake of clarity, "Peasantry" is also a valid word in the English language.
It might well be, but it"d be completely incorrect for Matt to use it in that context.
How about -
"While browsing the forum and mingling with the peasantry, I was stunned at the level of hostility displayed."
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if anyone wins and has a problem with paying the money into there blusq account they are more then welcome to put it in my account(for you stu you would just be missing the poker bit out)
Lets cut it down even further Al, ill bring a bag with me and just deposit in your back pocket while your not looking!
PEASANT!!
For the sake of clarity, "Peasantry" is also a valid word in the English language.
It might well be, but it"d be completely incorrect for Matt to use it in that context.
How about -
"While browsing the forum and mingling with the peasantry, I was stunned at the level of hostility displayed."
Nah, that"s poor.
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if anyone wins and has a problem with paying the money into there blusq account they are more then welcome to put it in my account(for you stu you would just be missing the poker bit out)
Lets cut it down even further Al, ill bring a bag with me and just deposit in your back pocket while your not looking!
PEASANT!!
For the sake of clarity, "Peasantry" is also a valid word in the English language.
It might well be, but it"d be completely incorrect for Matt to use it in that context.
How about -
"While browsing the forum and mingling with the peasantry, I was stunned at the level of hostility displayed."
Nah, that"s poor.
Ho Ho, that is quite good for you -
6.8/10
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if anyone wins and has a problem with paying the money into there blusq account they are more then welcome to put it in my account(for you stu you would just be missing the poker bit out)
Lets cut it down even further Al, ill bring a bag with me and just deposit in your back pocket while your not looking!
lol see you at the bar
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Pleased that APAT and DTD could resolve this and everyone got paid cash, nice work.