Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: samuel_9 on August 26, 2009, 16:17:50 PM
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in a big tourney if you had 2 players go all in before the flop would you ever lay down AA
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Short and simple
NO
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No
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yes obv
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No.
(Unless it"s a satellite and it"s on the bubble, etc.)
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it depends on what stage of the hand your in
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No.
(Unless it"s a satellite and it"s on the bubble, etc.)
what he said
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it depends on what stage of the hand your in
No it doesn"t.
Ignore this please Mr OP and just get your chips in the middle.
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I would fold AA preflop if I had a read on the players.
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assuming we are up against 2 worse pairs then we are a big enough favourite.
the only reason you"d fold is if you felt unlucky, but in that case you"d have probably given up poker by then.
If we are using the "I"m not coming all the way to vegas to lose in the first level" argument, I"d counter it with the "I"m not coming all the way to vegas to fold Aces preflop" argument
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I would fold AA preflop if I had a read on the players.
LOL, you sound like a man who has had his fill of "fold aces preflop" threads
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I"ve laid down AA on two occasions - both times to 4 all ins (stupid wild games) after I"d raised.
Both times I would have lost - once to trip Q"s and the second to a straight.
Like has already been said, it depends on the situation.....
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This is now the undisputed most asked question and boring now in poker!! All that was missed off is its the first hand in the world series of poker etc
Almost as boring as bad beat stories (unless there your own of course lol)
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Hey Rob, I"m not going to Vegas.
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To lay down AA preflop.....Hehe. Couldn"t resist ::)
How many sleeps?
Are we there yet?
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Im confused, we have an ace? and another ace? and were doing what pre flop?
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Im confused, we have an ace? and another ace? and were doing what pre flop?
slow rolling before shoving ofc.
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lolwat
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there are at least 2 top pros out there who would fold aces early on in the main event. They are Hellmuth and matasow.
They both know that you cant win a marathon tourney during the first level, but you can defenitly loose it. And they play far superior to all their opponents post flop that, they earn more chips when the blinds are higher in the later stadges without taking huge all in risks.
Having said all that, i would never fold aces pre flop at any stadge of a big tourey.
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there are at least 2 top pros out there who would fold aces early on in the main event. They are Hellmuth and matasow.
They both know that you cant win a marathon tourney during the first level, but you can defenitly loose it. And they play far superior to all their opponents post flop that, they earn more chips when the blinds are higher in the later stadges without taking huge all in risks. Having said all that, i would never fold aces pre flop at any stadge of a big tourey.
What he said.
Watch the 2009 ME coverage you see Matusow fold qs js with a 3 spade flop incase the guy has :as: in his hand which he did.
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with the matasow. It looked like the mouth of old an was getting outdrawn and badbeated left right and centre
I"m sure the guy only had one spade (the ace) but it was only the river. Tough laydown by mike and I don"t think I couldve did it at that stage. When he bluffed to win a pot after being beaten down all day was good though
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I"ve laid down AA on two occasions - both times to 4 all ins (stupid wild games) after I"d raised.
Both times I would have lost - once to trip Q"s and the second to a straight.
Like has already been said, it depends on the situation.....
No offence intended but if you fold AA here you really shouldn"t be playing stupid wild games.
The reason to play stupid wild games is so that you can get loads of money in the middle with the best hand.
You get it and then you pass.
Durrrrrr......
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Durrrrrr...... would call obviously!
Is that what you meant? :)
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Durrrrrr...... would call obviously!
Is that what you meant? :)
I deliberately put in a few extra rrrrrr"s to avoid confusion :)
But yes I"m sure he would.
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Durrrrrr...... would call obviously!
Is that what you meant? :)
I deliberately put in a few extra rrrrrr"s to avoid confusion :)
But yes I"m sure he would.
Tom Dwan ( durrrr ) would of called that with J-Q suited if he had implied odds ...... He did it once and he"d do it again .
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how many of you could find a fold here ?
PokerStars Game #32581229495: Tournament #200909011, $500+$30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXII (12500/25000) - 2009/09/07 19:29:31 PT [2009/09/07 22:29:31 ET]
Table "200909011 355" 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: bastinho06 (543504 in chips)
Seat 2: tremendez (1888930 in chips)
Seat 3: theNorfman (2444988 in chips)
Seat 4: Forza Parma (977404 in chips)
Seat 5: RaineTech (924790 in chips)
Seat 8: Aguskb (2641854 in chips)
Seat 9: 99NvrLosez (3519245 in chips)
bastinho06: posts the ante 3125
tremendez: posts the ante 3125
theNorfman: posts the ante 3125
Forza Parma: posts the ante 3125
RaineTech: posts the ante 3125
Aguskb: posts the ante 3125
99NvrLosez: posts the ante 3125
tremendez: posts small blind 12500
theNorfman: posts big blind 25000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Aguskb [ ad ac]
Forza Parma: folds
RaineTech: folds
Aguskb: raises 34610 to 59610
99NvrLosez: folds
bastinho06: folds
tremendez: folds
theNorfman: calls 34610
*** FLOP *** [8d kc 8c]
theNorfman: checks
Aguskb: checks
*** TURN *** [8d kc 8c] [8s]
theNorfman: bets 66000
Aguskb: raises 96915 to 162915
theNorfman: calls 96915
*** RIVER *** [8d kc 8c 8s] [ :as:]
theNorfman: bets 169000
Aguskb: raises 335290 to 504290
theNorfman: raises 1715048 to 2219338 and is all-in
bastinho06 is sitting out
bastinho06 is connected
bastinho06 has returned
Aguskb: folds
Uncalled bet (1715048) returned to theNorfman
theNorfman collected 1488005 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1488005 | Rake 0
Board [8d kc 8c 8s :as:]
Seat 1: bastinho06 (button) folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 2: tremendez (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: theNorfman (big blind) collected (1488005)
Seat 4: Forza Parma folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 5: RaineTech folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 8: Aguskb folded on the River
Seat 9: 99NvrLosez folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
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worried about quads (betting fits the pattern) but cant lay down there.
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Never folding here
sure the guy could have quads but doubt he"d re reraise all in
If you suspect he has quads then I"d just flat call the bet on the river
I"d put the villian on holding ace king and he thinks his full house is better than yours with a pocket pair
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Sorry can"t fold here, ever, ever, ever. If he has the 8,well thats.........
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Open fold the flop....................................................................................... :-\
p.s. no way can u ever fold here
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don"t think i could ever fold here
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This is now the undisputed most asked question and boring now in poker!! All that was missed off is its the first hand in the world series of poker etc
Almost as boring as bad beat stories (unless there your own of course lol)
... I thought you "folded" AA pre flop in the Main Event in Nottingham!?!
Louis
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This is now the undisputed most asked question and boring now in poker!! All that was missed off is its the first hand in the world series of poker etc
Almost as boring as bad beat stories (unless there your own of course lol)
... I thought you "folded" AA pre flop in the Main Event in Nottingham!?!
Louis
:D
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how many of you could find a fold here ?
[ ] me
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Zeebo"s Theorem - Nobody ever folded a full house.
Reasoning: Nobody is good enough to fold a monster. Most players aren"t even good enough to fold a hand that looks like a monster but really isn"t.
Application: There are two basic applications to this theory. The first is that if you put your opponent on a full house and you can beat them, don"t be afraid to overbet/push the river. This is particularly true when there is three of a kind on the board. Players will call with an incredible range of full houses in that spot. It is true that some villain may fold 22 on a board with three aces. However, you have no way of knowing if they have 22 or TT so go ahead and felt them. You are losing value if you don"t. And sometimes they"ll call with 22 anyway.
The second thing to realize is to never try to bluff anyone off a full house. If you have 22 on a board with three Aces, don"t expect to be able to push 66 off his hand.
This theorem also generally applies to any monster over monster situation, from straight flush over quads/FH/nut flush down to set over set.
Reliability: This is the most reliable theorem. Nearly 100%. Somebody will post and argue that it is actually 100%.
If you are playing a good player who knows his onions,does laying down 2 aces/boat seem a possibility now? I know i"d find it extremely difficult against a poor player to even contemplate folding.
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I know I"ve folded a full house (I had a thread about it in the academy section somewhere ) but that was an obvious situation
also roberto romanello folded a full house in last years wsop main event and his opponent showed him the higher ful house
but to fold a full house to a 52/1 shot that he has the case 8 then so be it (I"m sure someone will give me the proper odds of opponent holding the last 8 soon enough )
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there are at least 2 top pros out there who would fold aces early on in the main event. They are Hellmuth and matasow.
They both know that you cant win a marathon tourney during the first level, but you can defenitly loose it. And they play far superior to all their opponents post flop that, they earn more chips when the blinds are higher in the later stadges without taking huge all in risks. Having said all that, i would never fold aces pre flop at any stadge of a big tourey.
What he said.
Watch the 2009 ME coverage you see Matusow fold qs js with a 3 spade flop incase the guy has :as: in his hand which he did.
Matusow failed to make the money so was this a good decision ... quite often with big folds people go out getting all their money in - in worse spots. How did he go out?
In absurd scenarios like 8 all ins in front of you I might fold ... but otherwise got to call.
L
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[youtube=425,350]sGEhBuO9C98[/youtube]
But I wouldn"t fold AA in this spot :D
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That is a hand that not many top players would ever fold. Mikes reaction is great, worth watching the video just for that. i wonder if it were hellmuth making this lay down, what would of he said?
"easy fold, what took you so long, u idiot"?
And by the way. wtf is wrong with facebook? anyone else having problems tonight?
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ROFL i wouldn"t even fold it 5 way - for the chip lead in the daily 80k
Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 9 players - View hand 292162 (http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/292162)
The Official DeucesCracked.com (http://www.deucescracked.com/?referrer=converter_dc) Hand History Converter (http://www.thehandconverter.com)
BTN: t7435 M = 11.01
SB: t9330 M = 13.82
BB: t5195 M = 7.70
UTG: t6435 M = 9.53
UTG+1: t1100 M = 1.63
UTG+2: t18231 M = 27.01
Hero (MP1): t17730 M = 26.27
MP2: t2019 M = 2.99
CO: t8918 M = 13.21
Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is MP1 with A :diamond: A :club:
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t1075 all in, UTG+2 calls t1075, Hero raises to t3300, MP2 calls t1994 all in, 1 fold, BTN raises to t7410 all in, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls t6335, Hero raises to t17705 all in, UTG+2 calls t10295
Flop: (t46564) 9 :club: 5 :club: 5 :diamond: (5 players - 4 are all in)
Turn: (t46564) K :spade: (5 players - 4 are all in)
River: (t46564) 4 :heart: (5 players - 4 are all in)
Final Pot: t46564
BTN shows J :diamond: J :club: (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
UTG+1 shows 9 :spade: A :heart: (two pair, Nines and Fives)
UTG+2 shows Q :spade: Q :heart: (two pair, Queens and Fives)
Hero shows A :diamond: A :club: (two pair, Aces and Fives)
MP2 shows A :spade: K :heart: (two pair, Kings and Fives)
Hero wins t20590
Hero wins t16248
Hero wins t3676
Hero wins t6050