Launch details to be inserted here at the end of Season Three.
Launch details to be inserted here at the end of Season Three.::)
Des, can we have some more PLO online tournaments as we only have 2 in the year?
Des, can we have some more PLO online tournaments as we only have 2 in the year?
Yes James, I"m proposing that every National Online Championship in S4 takes the form of a weekend festival, with Omaha (Friday evening) and Horse (Saturday evening) Championship events (lower buy ins) in addition to the main event on Sunday evening.
Des, can we have some more PLO online tournaments as we only have 2 in the year?
Yes James, I"m proposing that every National Online Championship in S4 takes the form of a weekend festival, with Omaha (Friday evening) and Horse (Saturday evening) Championship events (lower buy ins) in addition to the main event on Sunday evening.
I"m proposing that every National Online Championship in S4 takes the form of a weekend festival, with Omaha (Friday evening) and Horse (Saturday evening) Championship events (lower buy ins) in addition to the main event on Sunday evening.
as per a other thread .....live web streaming the FT at APAT live events.
just thinking over poor ole Tighty!!
as per a other thread .....live web streaming the FT at APAT live events.
just thinking over poor ole Tighty!!
This is in the proposed budget but are you sure this is a good thing? It would be the end of the Tighty update as we know it. ps - the first to suggest we mic Tighty up gets a slap. :D
It would not be right to speculate on partners for Season Four in this thread. We are in discussions with Blue Square and they are certainly keen to retain APAT for another season.
as per a other thread .....live web streaming the FT at APAT live events.
just thinking over poor ole Tighty!!
This is in the proposed budget but are you sure this is a good thing? It would be the end of the Tighty update as we know it. ps - the first to suggest we mic Tighty up gets a slap. :D
I"m proposing that every National Online Championship in S4 takes the form of a weekend festival, with Omaha (Friday evening) and Horse (Saturday evening) Championship events (lower buy ins) in addition to the main event on Sunday evening.
Loving that idea!!!!! Can"t think of too many providers that have HORSE capability though..... is the APAT and BSQ arrangement coming to an end?
as per a other thread .....live web streaming the FT at APAT live events.
just thinking over poor ole Tighty!!
This is in the proposed budget but are you sure this is a good thing? It would be the end of the Tighty update as we know it. ps - the first to suggest we mic Tighty up gets a slap. :D
noo...keep tighty upto the FT...then give the poor man a break!!
I see you have mentioned HORSE Des, does that mean you are looking at a new sponsor for the online events or are Bsq introducing it?
I would love to see a live feed of the Final table at the events whereby railers can see live action.
Would love to see Regionals come back, sure miss them and was a great place to hang out with APATers as well as qualify for Nationals.
Next year I also would like it to be more APAT based for APAT Team tournaments criteria rather than players being selected for their non-APAT results, my view is that we work so hard within APAT to achieve and learn and grow our game and there are so many of us who do not play much poker outwith APAT so are unable to compete with those with big non-APAT stats. Thats just my view and would hope that next year players will be selected on their APAT stats alone, might be a bit much to ask, but I feel that APAT is for us amateurs to grow, and achieve results but it seems to have gone astray this year with the selection process and kinda unfair on those of us who support 100% and do well within APAT.
One idea that was looked at by the Regional Controllers and myself a couple of months ago was inviting the top ten APAT Poker Clubs to the UK Team Championship. In the end, we all felt it was too late in the day to make that sort of change for this season, but we may do that for next season and I think that would reward those players who play with their clubs every week. No decisions have been made on this for S4, so we"d welcome everyone"s feedback.
Defo stay with BSQ. The GUKPT events are great added value, and they have done a great job this seasom IMO. Would love to see the return of the regionals, even though I understand the problems. The on line league was great, but maybe a bit too long, maybe 12 rounds, and some further incentive to keep players playing, the latter rounds were very small. The live nationals are great, any chance of a couple more?
For the online leagues, can we drop the rule where you had to join the team closest to you within geographical distance, and change it so we can form teams of 10/15 players each and all play one big freezeout every other Sunday?
I"m suggesting this because if you were going to do this:
One idea that was looked at by the Regional Controllers and myself a couple of months ago was inviting the top ten APAT Poker Clubs to the UK Team Championship. In the end, we all felt it was too late in the day to make that sort of change for this season, but we may do that for next season and I think that would reward those players who play with their clubs every week. No decisions have been made on this for S4, so we"d welcome everyone"s feedback.
then people who play in places like Thanet and other less populated teams are at a disadvantage.
I"m aware that this could be fun to organise with regards to a points system in a large freezeout, but it shouldn"t be too difficult lol!
Oh, and please take into account that some members still cannot access any iPoker sites due to the AOL problem still not being resolved. :)
I would love to see the league games moved to the same date each month rather than the same day. Personal obv due to not being able to play on Sunday nights.
Easier possibly if everyone knew league games were on for example on the 10th and 20th of each month...
Maybe also the team system needs changing due to the lack of players in each league. There is so much competition for the forum challenge, maybe the teams could be forum based, with each forum having to have a minimum of 10 registered players. This would also help APAT in promotion from the forums, with players choosing which forum they wish to represent.
Top 20 forums could then play the forum game next season, with the top 4 or whatever number playing in a league playoff like this season..
Just an idea, maybe something can be taken from it... but weekday or set day games would be great for me, not sure about everyone else..
1 Sunday night off for the whole 20 games and i FT... ;)
Next year I also would like it to be more APAT based for APAT Team tournaments criteria rather than players being selected for their non-APAT results, my view is that we work so hard within APAT to achieve and learn and grow our game and there are so many of us who do not play much poker outwith APAT so are unable to compete with those with big non-APAT stats. Thats just my view and would hope that next year players will be selected on their APAT stats alone, might be a bit much to ask, but I feel that APAT is for us amateurs to grow, and achieve results but it seems to have gone astray this year with the selection process and kinda unfair on those of us who support 100% and do well within APAT.
With regards to the team events. European Team Championship selection will remain in the hands of the captains. I think it is right that they should be able to pick from all of the members as opposed to those who play the most. One idea that was looked at by the Regional Controllers and myself a couple of months ago was inviting the top ten APAT Poker Clubs to the UK Team Championship. In the end, we all felt it was too late in the day to make that sort of change for this season, but we may do that for next season and I think that would reward those players who play with their clubs every week. No decisions have been made on this for S4, so we"d welcome everyone"s feedback.
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Des, can we have some more PLO online tournaments as we only have 2 in the year?
Yes James, I"m proposing that every National Online Championship in S4 takes the form of a weekend festival, with Omaha (Friday evening) and Horse (Saturday evening) Championship events (lower buy ins) in addition to the main event on Sunday evening.
hmmmm, BSQ don"t do HORSE............
I suspect a new sponsor!!
Have to say, glad the ME"s have gone to sunday. Saturdays clashed with too much. Just think If I"d have been able to play more than 3 this season, I"d have been even higher in the online rankings ;)
... Even a deep stack - 8game championship at the worlds!!
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Any live event within 100 miles of home would be nice,but it doesn"t look as though that is going to happen. Can we play league games with a deeper stack/longer clock as this year they tended to be shovefests from the word go?
Any live event within 100 miles of home would be nice,but it doesn"t look as though that is going to happen. Can we play league games with a deeper stack/longer clock as this year they tended to be shovefests from the word go?
I"ve had media training you know. Would make a good final table commentator. For this reason, live feeds are good. Co-Commentator ABK please.
ABK=Anyone but Kinboshi. I"d be asleep, and so would the viewers.
p.s As long as Leigh continues to do a lot of running, tis all good.
I"ve had media training you know. Would make a good final table commentator. For this reason, live feeds are good. Co-Commentator ABK please.
ABK=Anyone but Kinboshi. I"d be asleep, and so would the viewers.
p.s As long as Leigh continues to do a lot of running, tis all good.
I"d be a bloody good co-commentator imo.
I"ve had media training you know. Would make a good final table commentator. For this reason, live feeds are good. Co-Commentator ABK please.
ABK=Anyone but Kinboshi. I"d be asleep, and so would the viewers.
p.s As long as Leigh continues to do a lot of running, tis all good.
I"d be a bloody good co-commentator imo.
Well, you can certainly talk, Daniel. The only problem I see is shutting you up - at least when we"ve spoken on the phone I can always rely on your phone battery giving up the ghost.....eventually :D
Online: 6 max games to be introduced. Maybe a $20+$2 entry once a month and a HU game once every 3 months. HU is such a long game, I think it would lose it"s appeal to many quite quickly.
Live: tough one given limited resources on Sundays at certain venues. If running it as a Ranking Event, it would have to be a BuyIn which would bring those who live within commuting distance of venue back for another shot at points but without taking any exclusivity off the £75 / £100 Main Event. £25 wouldn"t do it and £50 too much IMO.
Oh, and no Kinboshi in the Media Box pls .. decent enough fella but he has a funny accent ... ;)
No Divisions!
Who wants to play in Division 2 or 3? Do that to people and I suspect that a number won"t bother with it.
Oh, and the league went on a bit this year, don"t you think?
No Divisions!
Who wants to play in Division 2 or 3? Do that to people and I suspect that a number won"t bother with it.
Oh, and the league went on a bit this year, don"t you think?
No Divisions!
Who wants to play in Division 2 or 3? Do that to people and I suspect that a number won"t bother with it.
Oh, and the league went on a bit this year, don"t you think?
No way - they shud do it EVERY sunday for 52 weeks :)
As I have said in another post - I will gladly play div3 - surely easier to cash every week and get a load of points! Also gives a massive incentive to try relentlessly hard to try and achieve div 1 status!! Wud b gd w/ promotions/relegations to get the competitive juices flowing!
No Divisions!
Who wants to play in Division 2 or 3? Do that to people and I suspect that a number won"t bother with it.
Oh, and the league went on a bit this year, don"t you think?
John,
Hear what you are saying about length of league. Two shorter leagues planned for running next season.
Do you not think that promotion and relegation with added value for winners of ALL three divisions will be enough incentive to play ?
If you are in the 2nd or 3rd tier you are playing for promotion with added value for winners and then the chance to play in a higher division with even better added value and this opportunity would happen every six months or so.
The teams in the lower division may have less players, but that will be similar as all clubs in those divisions and they will have the chance to compete on a more level playing field with the opportunity build the club with more members to compete better in the higher divisions.
That"s the plan, anyway. ;)
I . One idea that was looked at by the Regional Controllers and myself a couple of months ago was inviting the top ten APAT Poker Clubs to the UK Team Championship. In the end, we all felt it was too late in the day to make that sort of change for this season, but we may do that for next season and I think that would reward those players who play with their clubs every week. No decisions have been made on this for S4, so we"d welcome everyone"s feedback.
Any live event within 100 miles of home would be nice,but it doesn"t look as though that is going to happen. Can we play league games with a deeper stack/longer clock as this year they tended to be shovefests from the word go?
Really ? 2500 Starting stack with a 12 minute clock. Regardless of the runners, these events were taking over 4 hours to finish (Trust me, I final tabled all 20 ;D )
I watched one in the Southern Division where no one went out for the first hour.
What would be your ideal structure, obviously keeping it realistic that these are $10 buyins ?
Any live event within 100 miles of home would be nice,but it doesn"t look as though that is going to happen. Can we play league games with a deeper stack/longer clock as this year they tended to be shovefests from the word go?
Really ? 2500 Starting stack with a 12 minute clock. Regardless of the runners, these events were taking over 4 hours to finish (Trust me, I final tabled all 20 ;D )
I watched one in the Southern Division where no one went out for the first hour.
What would be your ideal structure, obviously keeping it realistic that these are $10 buyins ?
My post certainly wasn"t intended as a criticism of the concept of the league and I"m more than grateful for what APAT has provided for me in the years since inception, but I played, at most, six league games in the early part of the season and I just wanted to give some feedback which could explain my lack of appearances. The current model has a lot to commend it and I"m not arrogant enough to think my participation is the be all and end all, but there is room to build upon what is already there.
In answer to the question about exactly what the structure should be, I don"t have an exact answer to give. The structure as is stands doesn"t allow for much "creative play"; the current stack sizes limit the number of times that a player can 3 bet/ c-bet with complete air/try moves not in any text book without being at risk of losing a signifcant proportion of your stack. The nationals were generally taking 6-7 hours to complete with 10000 starting chips, so maybe we should aim somewhere in the middle, say 5000 chips/13 minute blinds? The nationals had stacks of good play and whilst I realise that having something with the same structure on a more regular basis probably isn"t practical, surely there"s room for some narrowing of the gap between the two versions of the game we saw in season 3?
Any live event within 100 miles of home would be nice,but it doesn"t look as though that is going to happen. Can we play league games with a deeper stack/longer clock as this year they tended to be shovefests from the word go?
Really ? 2500 Starting stack with a 12 minute clock. Regardless of the runners, these events were taking over 4 hours to finish (Trust me, I final tabled all 20 ;D )
I watched one in the Southern Division where no one went out for the first hour.
What would be your ideal structure, obviously keeping it realistic that these are $10 buyins ?
My post certainly wasn"t intended as a criticism of the concept of the league and I"m more than grateful for what APAT has provided for me in the years since inception, but I played, at most, six league games in the early part of the season and I just wanted to give some feedback which could explain my lack of appearances. The current model has a lot to commend it and I"m not arrogant enough to think my participation is the be all and end all, but there is room to build upon what is already there.
In answer to the question about exactly what the structure should be, I don"t have an exact answer to give. The structure as is stands doesn"t allow for much "creative play"; the current stack sizes limit the number of times that a player can 3 bet/ c-bet with complete air/try moves not in any text book without being at risk of losing a signifcant proportion of your stack. The nationals were generally taking 6-7 hours to complete with 10000 starting chips, so maybe we should aim somewhere in the middle, say 5000 chips/13 minute blinds? The nationals had stacks of good play and whilst I realise that having something with the same structure on a more regular basis probably isn"t practical, surely there"s room for some narrowing of the gap between the two versions of the game we saw in season 3?
No criticism taken. I"m guessing that when you play online, you pretty much play deepstack tournements ?
Any live event within 100 miles of home would be nice,but it doesn"t look as though that is going to happen. Can we play league games with a deeper stack/longer clock as this year they tended to be shovefests from the word go?
Really ? 2500 Starting stack with a 12 minute clock. Regardless of the runners, these events were taking over 4 hours to finish (Trust me, I final tabled all 20 ;D )
I watched one in the Southern Division where no one went out for the first hour.
What would be your ideal structure, obviously keeping it realistic that these are $10 buyins ?
My post certainly wasn"t intended as a criticism of the concept of the league and I"m more than grateful for what APAT has provided for me in the years since inception, but I played, at most, six league games in the early part of the season and I just wanted to give some feedback which could explain my lack of appearances. The current model has a lot to commend it and I"m not arrogant enough to think my participation is the be all and end all, but there is room to build upon what is already there.
In answer to the question about exactly what the structure should be, I don"t have an exact answer to give. The structure as is stands doesn"t allow for much "creative play"; the current stack sizes limit the number of times that a player can 3 bet/ c-bet with complete air/try moves not in any text book without being at risk of losing a signifcant proportion of your stack. The nationals were generally taking 6-7 hours to complete with 10000 starting chips, so maybe we should aim somewhere in the middle, say 5000 chips/13 minute blinds? The nationals had stacks of good play and whilst I realise that having something with the same structure on a more regular basis probably isn"t practical, surely there"s room for some narrowing of the gap between the two versions of the game we saw in season 3?
No criticism taken. I"m guessing that when you play online, you pretty much play deepstack tournements ?
NATIONALS
Like the idea of making a weekend of it. As someone who struggles to make a day two, something on the Sunday to make the expense of overnight accomodation seem worthwhile has to be good.
ONLINE LEAGUE
Think the structure is spot on for a Sunday night $10 buy-in. Finish around midnight and the 2,500 starting stack does allow some play, it isn"t or shouldn"t be a deep deepstack tournament, thats what the nationals are for. Its a League and as such plays very well IMHO.
Like the idea of the three divisions (twice yearly) with the promotion and relegation. I guess the added value on offer will be higher in the top divison, therefore giving everyone something to strive for. The smaller clubs will need to do some building up, so prehaps they should ask Suzy from Bristol what the secret is!
NATIONALS
Like the idea of making a weekend of it. As someone who struggles to make a day two, something on the Sunday to make the expense of overnight accomodation seem worthwhile has to be good.
OTHER VARIANTS OF POKER
RAZZ (Thats all I have to say on the matter.) ;D
NATIONALS
Like the idea of making a weekend of it. As someone who struggles to make a day two, something on the Sunday to make the expense of overnight accomodation seem worthwhile has to be good.
this definitely has mileage - 85% of the field don"t make day two, yet most will have shelled out for overnight accomodation.
I dont think it"s just the control issues that made the Regionals a bad thing. There were ranking points associated with the Regional final tables - problem was that in some of the more remote locations, they may only have taken a field of 10-20.... so scoring ranking points was so much easier than in Regonals in the more populated areas that attracted fields of 70+.
I hope the regionals don"t come back - the online league concept has been so much better in S3.
NATIONALS
Like the idea of making a weekend of it. As someone who struggles to make a day two, something on the Sunday to make the expense of overnight accomodation seem worthwhile has to be good.
this definitely has mileage - 85% of the field don"t make day two, yet most will have shelled out for overnight accomodation.
NATIONALS
Like the idea of making a weekend of it. As someone who struggles to make a day two, something on the Sunday to make the expense of overnight accomodation seem worthwhile has to be good.
this definitely has mileage - 85% of the field don"t make day two, yet most will have shelled out for overnight accomodation.
I agree. Something on Day 2 would be great idea for keeping the buzz going from the first day and preventing the ghost-town atmosphere. (Just don"t clash two major events such as the HORSE World and the ME World).
In terms of the live events - I would look to have more people qualify as opposed to direct buy in - Can there be more sat"s?
Last time I looked only about 30 qualifiers from 200 for APAT face to face - to me wrong balance.
In terms of APAT team representation - I don"t follow the argument about picking players for their non APAT play. If people don"t have time to play APAT events then why should they ever get picked over players who do.
I also think that a lot of APAT members play within a bigger bankroll and are not as motivated to play a £75 deepstack over a long weekend, especially if it has been during a period of time when they may have played GUKPT or DTD deepstacks and fancy a weekend with the family. I dont agree that these players should not be allowed to represent their country or their forum, simply because they haven"t played many APAT events or have had their success at non APAT events.
I also think that a lot of APAT members play within a bigger bankroll and are not as motivated to play a £75 deepstack over a long weekend, especially if it has been during a period of time when they may have played GUKPT or DTD deepstacks and fancy a weekend with the family. I dont agree that these players should not be allowed to represent their country or their forum, simply because they haven"t played many APAT events or have had their success at non APAT events.
I don"t follow your logic. If they are so important that the standard APAT events are beneath them or they can"t be bothered to play cos they want to be with their family, why should they leapfrog the people who attend all the APAT games to get a free pass into the team events?
the APAT community extends much further than the players who play in APAT comps.
My wishlist for S4
1. A non hold em 2 day Deepstack event with the same status (i.e. ranking points / added value) as a hold em National.
2. A live team event with teams from the National league poker clubs.
3. A few more Online Ranking events.
4. National online league to be a bit shorter, with smaller teams to be disbanded and consolidated into the bigger teams. The structure for this is spot on for a $11 buy in IMO.
5. Better value for APAT national winners. (CoC seat would be fine if players started with equal stacks)
I agree that the APAT goes beyond those who play the APAT events - but when it comes to the APAT team events - it seems odd for the home nations to potentially draft people in to play over people who have had lots of success in the APAT events.
The question of those with bigger bankrolls is interesting - is there scope for some higher buy in events which would bring these players more into the centre of the APAT. I would be very keen to qualify for/play in these were they ran?
The question of those with bigger bankrolls is interesting - is there scope for some higher buy in events which would bring these players more into the centre of the APAT. I would be very keen to qualify for/play in these were they ran?
This surely would go against the whole ethos of APAT....what % of the APAT community has a "bigger bankroll". The $10, or $50 aren"t even full, so a $500, or $1000 would surely be even less players entrying?
I joined the APAT because I felt (correct if Im wrong please) it was aimed at the Amatuer playing looking to play more online and live at realistic buy ins. With the knowledge I"d be playing with players at my level, and playing with players I could learn from.
Sat"s : True there is no cap : Hard to see how having extra sat"s would not produce more qualifiers.
The fact that APAT events are heavily over subscribed is an argument for more qualifiers of whatever type.
What are the stat"s here? How many more seats would sell?
In particular - I think the World Main Event should have more qualifying events - versus clickfest (which as you say is not convenient for many). These events could run through the year.
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The question of those with bigger bankrolls is interesting - is there scope for some higher buy in events which would bring these players more into the centre of the APAT. I would be very keen to qualify for/play in these were they ran?
This surely would go against the whole ethos of APAT....what % of the APAT community has a "bigger bankroll". The $10, or $50 aren"t even full, so a $500, or $1000 would surely be even less players entrying?
I joined the APAT because I felt (correct if Im wrong please) it was aimed at the Amatuer playing looking to play more online and live at realistic buy ins. With the knowledge I"d be playing with players at my level, and playing with players I could learn from.
My guess would be that were there higher buy in events (in addition to the current ones - with qualifying routes) numbers would go up.
I wouldn"t ramp these up to $500/$1000 more like $100/$200 on-line (occasional tournaments - could be non-ranking - if that causes an issue)
Pro/Am event would be good ...
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I think different people (and some of the same) would look to qualify if some of these were on Saturday/Sunday.
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I think different people (and some of the same) would look to qualify if some of these were on Saturday/Sunday.
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A few more people would look to qualify if extra days were added, and almost all of the current would.
So in practice (within a few per cent), for example, doubling the number of satellites wouldn"t double the number of people who were able to get a seat this way - it would just double the number of chances each of the people who already try get.
And they"re already getting an "extra" chance or two to get a seat from playing in the existing qualifiers compared to those who don"t play online, I don"t see how giving even more chances to one subsection can be a good thing.
I also think that a lot of APAT members play within a bigger bankroll and are not as motivated to play a £75 deepstack over a long weekend, especially if it has been during a period of time when they may have played GUKPT or DTD deepstacks and fancy a weekend with the family. I dont agree that these players should not be allowed to represent their country or their forum, simply because they haven"t played many APAT events or have had their success at non APAT events.
I don"t follow your logic. If they are so important that the standard APAT events are beneath them or they can"t be bothered to play cos they want to be with their family, why should they leapfrog the people who attend all the APAT games to get a free pass into the team events?
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the APAT community extends much further than the players who play in APAT comps.
Qualifying for the APAT national teams is not possible at the moment as the team is selected, and the skippers do a great job, but surely we play enough live and on line events to make selection qualification based. Then if the guys who don.t play as many APAT events as others would have the added incentive to play them! I agree with the previous posters that places in APAT teams should be awarded to people who have success in APAT events.
Hats.
I think there should be a mandatory dress code for next season.
Primarily hat based, obv.
I also think that a lot of APAT members play within a bigger bankroll and are not as motivated to play a £75 deepstack over a long weekend, especially if it has been during a period of time when they may have played GUKPT or DTD deepstacks and fancy a weekend with the family. I dont agree that these players should not be allowed to represent their country or their forum, simply because they haven"t played many APAT events or have had their success at non APAT events.
I don"t follow your logic. If they are so important that the standard APAT events are beneath them or they can"t be bothered to play cos they want to be with their family, why should they leapfrog the people who attend all the APAT games to get a free pass into the team events?
because of this
the APAT community extends much further than the players who play in APAT comps.
I don"t know what this means. How does the "APAT community" include people who don"t play APAT events?
If four known names decide they want to play on the England team, would Redfern, Yates, etc would be shoved aside?
I also think that a lot of APAT members play within a bigger bankroll and are not as motivated to play a £75 deepstack over a long weekend
I also think that a lot of APAT members play within a bigger bankroll and are not as motivated to play a £75 deepstack over a long weekend, especially if it has been during a period of time when they may have played GUKPT or DTD deepstacks and fancy a weekend with the family. I dont agree that these players should not be allowed to represent their country or their forum, simply because they haven"t played many APAT events or have had their success at non APAT events.
Well said that man.
I don"t follow your logic. If they are so important that the standard APAT events are beneath them or they can"t be bothered to play cos they want to be with their family, why should they leapfrog the people who attend all the APAT games to get a free pass into the team events?
because of this
the APAT community extends much further than the players who play in APAT comps.
I don"t know what this means. How does the "APAT community" include people who don"t play APAT events?
If four known names decide they want to play on the England team, would Redfern, Yates, etc would be shoved aside?
I have a personal interest in this one, so feel qualified to comment. The method for selecting players is always going to be one for debate, but more so for the home countries than anywhere else, and probably more so for England than the other home countries - simply due to sheer volume of players wanting a place.
As a member of APAT who relishes the Tour and the Association, and all that it offers and stands for, I would be peeved if selection of national teams was reduced to a simple selection based on Hendon Mob database rankings, rather than results and participation in APAT events. I was lucky enough to be selected for England, but I know that there are many more players out there probably far better qualified than I (based on ability and earnings) - however I"ve had a good run on the APAT tour this season, have contributed to every single tournament both live and online, am leader of the live rankings, have made several day twos and several final tables, and based on all that feel that I deserved my place. If I had been overlooked in favour of someone who prefers to play higher profile events at the expense of APAT events, I would question whether the APAT ethos and spirit was being properly maintained.
I also think that a lot of APAT members play within a bigger bankroll and are not as motivated to play a £75 deepstack over a long weekend
......then perhaps APAT is not the Tour and Organisation for these people. I thought APAT was about affordable poker for amateur players. If people prefer to play DTD deepstacks and GUKPT (both of which are way beyond my bankroll, and the bankroll of many who play on the APAT tour) rather than play the lowly APAT Nationals, then they aren"t really fully participating in APAT - so not sure why they would be considered ahead of the more regular APATers.
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6) Do away with the clickfest, seems to cause headaches for all concerned, either APAT team to manage, or APAT members trying to get in
7) Day after satellites have finished, opendirect buyin online on the website of the sponsor, people dont have to worry about transfering seats etc if their plans change, they can either unregister or register to their hearts content until the cap is reached. Close day or 2 before event
8) Remaining seats to be sold at the casino on day of national.
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one other thing i would like to ask is if we are going to be going back to the maybury? coz if we are i want a better buffet or i will bring up my own! lol
A few have mentioned this already but I would like to support the idea of a Sunday side-event as most people have travelled and 85% do not make day 2. Therefore we get more APAT Live Poker.
My suggestion would be a £25 F/O with a 7,500 stack and 30 min clock starting at 3.30pm assuming 2.30pm start in the ME. Registration is open from the start of ME Day 1 so that you can register immeadiately on busting out.
Looking forward to S4
My thoughts on ;
The Nationals
1) Choose locations that can host a minimum of 200 players.
A few have mentioned this already but I would like to support the idea of a Sunday side-event as most people have travelled and 85% do not make day 2. Therefore we get more APAT Live Poker.
My suggestion would be a £25 F/O with a 7,500 stack and 30 min clock starting at 3.30pm assuming 2.30pm start in the ME. Registration is open from the start of ME Day 1 so that you can register immeadiately on busting out.
Looking forward to S4
Also I add my support to the suggestion about a Sunday 1 day tournament, I think this is a cracking idea and would be a success.
Also I add my support to the suggestion about a Sunday 1 day tournament, I think this is a cracking idea and would be a success.
fwiw, I agree. Des, I and the team will discuss it. Soon.
welcome to the "can"t please everyone thread" ;D
here"s my two-penneth worth
the online league was a fantastic intro... maybe instead of cities you could have counties, with the bigger counties split up to make the teams more even... also give players individual rewards in some way to keep them playing.
would love the online champs to be on a sun instead of a sat, but not sure that is sustainable for people going to work etc....think you just lose quite a lot of people due to socialising and family stuff on a saturday night.
As regards to choosing apat teams it is so hard to choose from such a volume of players...remember players that have won tournaments are not always the better players...examples been john murray and simon aukland. IMO consistancy in these tournaments is far better than a flash in the pan win... i like leigh"s idea in the current choosing of the apat team in having wildcard picks...it means everyone then gets a chance to represent the team.
Agree in having a second tournament on a sunday but if ranking points were introduced they should be no more than half you accumulate in the main event, otherwise it would devalue the ME.
finally the ME structure...im going to be the one who says it... I HATE ANTE"S!!! now before i get replies saying that they hate tight/nitty players, anybody who knows or has played with me on a regular basis knows that i am neither of those. I am a creative player that likes to play flops....likes to play poker. IMO you get to the dinner break and it is pretty much shove fold from there. I know that antes are here to stay so maybe we could bring the 500-1000 level back(think walsall was just a freak) and maybe start the antes at the dinner break.
oh and a national abroad would be good, somewhere where it is cheap to fly to Barcelona, paris and amsterdam spring to mind
keep up the good work!
By reviewing some of the lesser supported teams we can consider helping them to improve their clubs or look at alternative locations that may be able to replace and make the league even more competitive.
Just the thought that in 12 months time, we could have a team like Thanet (Who have a great core of quality players) earning back to back promotion and then taking on the big teams in the top division. It"s got a good feel to it.
And who knows, in the future, we could have a league in every country in Europe and clubs could be playing for the APAT Online Champions League (You can have that one for free Des, ;) ) with potential even bigger added value.
Got to have a dream. ;)
Leigh
By reviewing some of the lesser supported teams we can consider helping them to improve their clubs or look at alternative locations that may be able to replace and make the league even more competitive.
Just the thought that in 12 months time, we could have a team like Thanet (Who have a great core of quality players) earning back to back promotion and then taking on the big teams in the top division. It"s got a good feel to it.
And who knows, in the future, we could have a league in every country in Europe and clubs could be playing for the APAT Online Champions League (You can have that one for free Des, ;) ) with potential even bigger added value.
Got to have a dream. ;)
Leigh
In general I agree with this fantastic, well thought out and prepared post.
And now obviously as I am a great core, well part of a great core, I"ll put my hat in the ring for the APAT Team for January............... You can only say NO in so many ways ;)
PS did JB put u up to this post :D
isnt this basically what we have just done ?
I'm all in favour of a 3 division league. But if you want an alternative, you could have all 30 teams playing in a single MTT. With say the top 20 getting points on the same basis as this year but may be extended to 5 places getting points. 1st getting 5 points down to 1, then after 10 games the league would split into 3 leagues with the top 10 in division 1 next 10 division 2 bottom 10 into division 3 playing for different prizes. It's not quit a promotion/ relegation system as each year all teams are in the same league. Plus they won't be any prizes after 10 games, so the league would be 20 games. But it would mean that at the beginning of the year, all will have a chance of the top prize. Just an idea but personally I would have the promotion/relegation every 10 games.
isnt this basically what we have just done ?
I?m all in favour of a 3 division league. But if you want an alternative, you could have all 30 teams playing in a single MTT. With say the top 20 getting points on the same basis as this year but may be extended to 5 places getting points. 1st getting 5 points down to 1, then after 10 games the league would split into 3 leagues with the top 10 in division 1 next 10 division 2 bottom 10 into division 3 playing for different prizes. It?s not quit a promotion/ relegation system as each year all teams are in the same league. Plus they won?t be any prizes after 10 games, so the league would be 20 games. But it would mean that at the beginning of the year, all will have a chance of the top prize. Just an idea but personally I would have the promotion/relegation every 10 games.
isnt this basically what we have just done ?
I'm all in favour of a 3 division league. But if you want an alternative, you could have all 30 teams playing in a single MTT. With say the top 20 getting points on the same basis as this year but may be extended to 5 places getting points. 1st getting 5 points down to 1, then after 10 games the league would split into 3 leagues with the top 10 in division 1 next 10 division 2 bottom 10 into division 3 playing for different prizes. It's not quit a promotion/ relegation system as each year all teams are in the same league. Plus they won't be any prizes after 10 games, so the league would be 20 games. But it would mean that at the beginning of the year, all will have a chance of the top prize. Just an idea but personally I would have the promotion/relegation every 10 games.
by starting again it completely negates all the hard work people put into getting in to the top div , they would have to start again to get into top div again , if people dont want to play 3rd div then so be it , but giving them another free go at it doesnt seem fair
It was not advertised at the beginning of the year that the next year would be a promotion/relegation league and what you did this year would affect what division you would be in next year. If it was then maybe some teams may have tried harder to get as many points as possible.
It was not advertised at the beginning of the year that the next year would be a promotion/relegation league and what you did this year would affect what division you would be in next year. If it was then maybe some teams may have tried harder to get as many points as possible.
whats the motivation not to get relegated ?? if the second division is made up of easier competition surely it would be better to be relegated
whats the motivation not to get relegated ?? if the second division is made up of easier competition surely it would be better to be relegated
Better prizes and prestige. ;)
Nothing is confirmed yet, but for example, prizes might be :-
Division 1 winners - 4 x GUKPT Seats
Division 2 winners - 4 x DTD £300 or GUKPT Side Event Seats
Division 3 winners - 4 x APAT National Seats (Obviously priceless in real terms)
Purely speculation on the prizes. Added value can go down as well as up. Your home is at risk if you do not keep up repayments, etc etc etc.
;D
whats the motivation not to get relegated ?? if the second division is made up of easier competition surely it would be better to be relegated
Better prizes and prestige. ;)
Nothing is confirmed yet, but for example, prizes might be :-
Division 1 winners - 4 x GUKPT Seats
Division 2 winners - 4 x DTD £300 or GUKPT Side Event Seats
Division 3 winners - 4 x APAT National Seats (Obviously priceless in real terms)
Purely speculation on the prizes. Added value can go down as well as up. Your home is at risk if you do not keep up repayments, etc etc etc.
;D
Can I be in Division 3 please. much better prizes IMO
With regards to a day two tournament, we"re happy to announce the addition of an APAT Omaha Championship at the European Amateur Championship in Luton next week.
I honestly don"t look forward to anything more in my poker calendar. Sad but true. I"d like to take this opportunity to say a big thanks to APAT for everything they do. There"s nothing like it. More of the same please.
Live
As mentioned above a day 2 tournament for anyone knocked out day 1 would be great. More international venues as also mentioned gets a thumbs up, was disappointed this year, after having the pleasure of visiting Vienna for my first APAT last year which was an amazing experience, including the joys of the Orange Wings :)
Overall though the live events are in my humble opinion perfect, and superbly ran. The buy in for my bank roll, the structure, whole APAT ethos / experience shouldnt be changed in anyway. I honestly don"t look forward to anything more in my poker calendar. Sad but true. I"d like to take this opportunity to say a big thanks to APAT for everything they do. There"s nothing like it. More of the same please.
NATIONALS
Like the idea of making a weekend of it. As someone who struggles to make a day two, something on the Sunday to make the expense of overnight accomodation seem worthwhile has to be good.
this definitely has mileage - 85% of the field don"t make day two, yet most will have shelled out for overnight accomodation.
For instance a group of ppl who know each other but are from different areas can band together and make a team, I think the mate-factor would increase the numbers because everybody would be getting onto their mates to get logged on and play regularly to do well in the league.
QuoteFor instance a group of ppl who know each other but are from different areas can band together and make a team, I think the mate-factor would increase the numbers because everybody would be getting onto their mates to get logged on and play regularly to do well in the league.
Do run the risk of the best players grouping together tho.
Having managed to secure a seat to every APAT live tournament this season, I have to say I"m looking forward to the publishing of the schedule for Season 4.
I have to echo the comments of Phil TC, each tournament is looked forward to even more than the last, and the last two have been unbeatable for atmosphere in my opinion. I have also managed to encourage some mates to attend the last two and both have enjoyed them and had great experiences with everyone being so friendly as always. Hopefully they will continue to be interested and support APAT next year.
The addition of a tournament on the Sunday will be ideal, especially when there is travel and hotels booked as the whole weekend experience will be extended. It will also benefit the atmosphere as more people attend the Day 2 hopefully.
I have no issues with the online side of APAT, BSQ has always worked for me and when it hasn"t it has been due to broadband issues, not BSQ.
All in all I can"t wait for the schedule to be published to get me back on the APAT tour which can only go from strength to strength next year, 2009 has been awesome, I"m looking forward to 2010 being even better.
Many thanks to Des, Tighty, Leigh, Neil and Ian for all the hard work live and online in 2009. You guys have made it what it is, AWESOME !!
Think national"s and online are pretty much nailed.
The national league thingy didn"t work for me cos I was with Notts and there wasn"t much participation. May be a vicious circle but because there weren"t many taking part I thought "What"s the point?" Wonder how this will work in season 4.....
Er 2010!
While I think of it, my wish for 2010 is not to have to visit the worst venue by far that I have been to this year, namely Walsall Grosvenor. Terrible venue, really terrible organization, terrible food, terrible everything. That"s all. Bye.
While I think of it, my wish for 2010 is not to have to visit the worst venue by far that I have been to this year, namely Walsall Grosvenor. Terrible venue, really terrible organization, terrible food, terrible everything. That"s all. Bye.
Think national"s and online are pretty much nailed.
The national league thingy didn"t work for me cos I was with Notts and there wasn"t much participation. May be a vicious circle but because there weren"t many taking part I thought "What"s the point?" Wonder how this will work in season 4.....
I blame your captain. ;)
Think national"s and online are pretty much nailed.
The national league thingy didn"t work for me cos I was with Notts and there wasn"t much participation. May be a vicious circle but because there weren"t many taking part I thought "What"s the point?" Wonder how this will work in season 4.....
I blame your captain. ;)
+ 1 ;)
Think national"s and online are pretty much nailed.
The national league thingy didn"t work for me cos I was with Notts and there wasn"t much participation. May be a vicious circle but because there weren"t many taking part I thought "What"s the point?" Wonder how this will work in season 4.....
I blame your captain. ;)
+ 1 ;)
+ 1 more. Captain was rubbish imo ;)
dose that mean next year now the team game been moved ??????????????????????????? 7s :2d:woop woop
Launch details to be inserted here at the end of Season Three.
When does Season 4 launch!? ;D
cheers
When does Season 4 launch!? ;D
Soon.
(get in, beat everyone to it)
Eveyone is asking "when is the new season starting"
im gonna ask, "how long is the pre season break"?
Eveyone is asking "when is the new season starting"
im gonna ask, "how long is the pre season break"?
also when does pre season training start... I cant wait to ease myself back into the game by playing snap, fishes, then rummy
Eveyone is asking "when is the new season starting"
im gonna ask, "how long is the pre season break"?
also when does pre season training start... I cant wait to ease myself back into the game by playing snap, fishes, then rummy
+1
Could you also add an APAT Cup, just like the FA Cup - and then a European Cup ::) ?
six card double flops pls
six card double flops pls
....Sigh. I"m trying to get a few FB people aligned with our group there ahead of S4 hence the above. Obviously hoping that "next month" is an appropriately big enough target.
the one at DTD on 12th April 2008 was super wicked cool.
Another +1 to bring back the Regional Qualifiers, the one at DTD on 12th April 2008 was super wicked cool. Understand if they are a pain in the ass to organise though.
Never played any of the live regionals in season 2 but it certainly seems like a good idea in theory.
Dont want to search through the site but was there "regional captains"? Seems to me that if you have someone willing to put time into it then there is no reason why this couldnt be a success.
PS NO I am NOT volenteering :-)
Never played any of the live regionals in season 2 but it certainly seems like a good idea in theory.
Dont want to search through the site but was there "regional captains"? Seems to me that if you have someone willing to put time into it then there is no reason why this couldnt be a success.
PS NO I am NOT volenteering :-)
Suz,
There wasn"t "regional captains" as such because it wasn"t a team structure. We had a regional management team that looked after these events, but there was a serious inconsistency about the games being offered by each location and added to the fact that ranking points were available for top 9, irrelevant of whether 4 turned up or 80 showed (They were capped at 80).
It"s a tough balance, they were £20 Freezeouts with a decent structure. Top 10% got seats to next national with the remaining money being distributed to top 10% also. Some had buffets, some didn"t. Some started on time, a lot didn"t, some card rooms supported them, other pretended they weren"t happening.
I attended the Brighton regional for that season. The first leg we had about 25 show up and I spent time talking to the casino staff, makign sure they were aware of what we were about and that this was achieved without any advertsing or real promotion, so for the following leg, the casino manager laid on 4 dealers and extra staff based on it was going to grow. Leg 2, we had 18 turn up and numbers never improved.
The idea is great, and lots of players would love to see them return. It just needs to be done in a way that makes it accessible to all and with a consistent and fair level of service for all. If everyone had a DTD on their doorstep, then it would be great.
Every time we get together to discuss plans, the "Regionals" is always high up the agenda.
Another +1 to bring back the Regional Qualifiers, the one at DTD on 12th April 2008 was super wicked cool. Understand if they are a pain in the ass to organise though.
The regional at DTD may have been top notch (most tourneys at DTD are!), but the playing field across all the regionals was off balance. Walsall wasn"t quite as good as DTD, and I suspect that neither were many other locations. Also, I suspect DTD was dealer dealt - hence you were probably playing twice as many hands per hour as other locations.
And then when you consider that beating a field of 80 at DTD was worth 9 ranking points, whilst beating a field of 3 men and a dog in outer reaches of nowhere was also worth 9 ranking points......
If there is something you would like to see in the new season, please make your suggestions here.
I would not be in favour of the regionals coming back if people want a £20 game then they can go to there local casino and get that 7 days a week as bluesq and G casino do run there online and live league with great added value. there are sats online and the click feast to the main event so i think that works fine. the apat online league was fine and i see they are thinking of going to 3 divisions dont see much difference from the north south or midlands only putting the stronger and bigger teams in the top flight sounds good
well done apat on another great season and like i said to des in bolton if its not broke dont fix it keep up the good work
I would not be in favour of the regionals coming back if people want a £20 game then they can go to there local casino and get that 7 days a week as bluesq and G casino do run there online and live league with great added value. there are sats online and the click feast to the main event so i think that works fine. the apat online league was fine and i see they are thinking of going to 3 divisions dont see much difference from the north south or midlands only putting the stronger and bigger teams in the top flight sounds good
well done apat on another great season and like i said to des in bolton if its not broke dont fix it keep up the good work
2) Just take the "delete" button of her pleeeeeeees (great appointment and a very very big thank you to Neil for all his hard work and the first soft drink is on me ;D
Thx Neil and best of luck to Mary. Take it live updates are now off the agenda for next season :)
1) APAT will be announcing a new sponsor for an expanded APAT Tour in Season 4.
Just one thing though. If only announcing parts of information (like not using Blue square and the possibility of a divisional system) is intentionally for building suspense, then well done! It"s worked, I"m on the edge of my seat and glad i joined!
I too would like to thank BlueSquare for their support over the last 2 years. The added value they have provided to members has been great and sometime us players lose sight of that when moaning about software issues and the like. wp gg gl.
Thanks also to Neil. Glad that he"s still going to be playing the APAT events thus providing further added value ;)
Congratulations Mary. I am sure your commitment to APAT will be a great help with the further developments during season 4 and beyond.
A big WELCOME to the APAT "Family" (Was that my Tony Soprano impression ?) to you Jon. You will shortly (ps - I"m a bit of a comedian, isn"t it!) find you make lots of new friends and improve your own game through these people........but just steer clear of the famous BLACK COUNTRY POKER CLUB ;D
A big WELCOME to the APAT "Family" (Was that my Tony Soprano impression ?) to you Jon. You will shortly (ps - I"m a bit of a comedian, isn"t it!) find you make lots of new friends and improve your own game through these people........but just steer clear of the famous BLACK COUNTRY POKER CLUB ;D
Why does everyone keep saying this? It pops up alot on the forum! ???
Des will be revealing all soon. You"ll soon see his great plans for Season 4, which is coming soon.
soon soon soon soon soon
Hey Des - it"s broken.
You better fix it soon. ;D
The conference call was very interesting last night, Stuart. I just wish I could read my 5 pages of notes... :D
The conference call was very interesting last night, Stuart. I just wish I could read my 5 pages of notes... :D
And just so you know, he hasn"t shared any info with me.
Lol, I"m laughing my arse off on a train, everyone is looking at me. I"ll deal with this mischivious behaviour shortly (ps - I"m a bit of a comedian, isn"t it!) .
;)
Be fair to Des, the whole process is a complex one, and whether you are an experienced APATer or a virgin to amateur poker, the sky is the limit for next season. I"ve seen it in the stars, the schedule looks very full, so everyone will be able to have their cake and eat it. There"s no point getting in a paddy about the announcement, we know everyone wants to know what"s happening. Any information, even just a little, would keep everyone happy, but trust us that the APAT empire is expanding and the announcement about the new sponsor will be well worth the wait.
lol, great post - I counted 8 references!
Be fair to Des, the whole process is a complex one, and whether you are an experienced APATer or a virgin to amateur poker, the sky is the limit for next season. I"ve seen it in the stars, the schedule looks very full, so everyone will be able to have their cake and eat it. There"s no point getting in a paddy about the announcement, we know everyone wants to know what"s happening. Any information, even just a little, would keep everyone happy, but trust us that the APAT empire is expanding and the announcement about the new sponsor will be well worth the wait.
OK, at least tell us if it"s one of these?
very good BTW.
Heaven
Heaven
IMO the Sky"s the limit........
Heaven
IMO the Sky"s the limit........
Cant happen
Heaven
IMO the Sky"s the limit........
Cant happen
Hell of an image - shouting at himself ;D
And Neil, you"ll be missed mate. Has been a pleasure working with you, and I"m looking forward to seeing you at a few live events in season 4.
And Neil, you"ll be missed mate. Has been a pleasure working with you, and I"m looking forward to seeing you at a few live events in season 4.
Thanks for all the "Thanks" messages. My time on APAT has been most enjoyable but over the past couple of months I struggled to dedicate the time to Mod"ing the Forum etc. and to playing Poker. Mary was a great help to me in Seasons 2 and 3 and I was DELIGHTED to hear of her appointment. All the best Hun.
Due to an ever-increasing workload and a loss of passion for poker (yeah, the bad beats and general frustrations that go with Poker HAVE got the better of me), I have decided to retire from the game ... if you"re REAL quiet, you"ll probably hear Isuldur1 and Negreanu breath a HUGE sigh of relief 8) Although I don"t expect to be present at many future APAT events, I WILL continue to visit the Forum here and look forward to reading all the success stories and following the MANY friends I"ve made over the past two years.
GL to All in what I KNOW will be a very exciting Season 4.
And Neil, you"ll be missed mate. Has been a pleasure working with you, and I"m looking forward to seeing you at a few live events in season 4.
Thanks for all the "Thanks" messages. My time on APAT has been most enjoyable but over the past couple of months I struggled to dedicate the time to Mod"ing the Forum etc. and to playing Poker. Mary was a great help to me in Seasons 2 and 3 and I was DELIGHTED to hear of her appointment. All the best Hun.
Due to an ever-increasing workload and a loss of passion for poker (yeah, the bad beats and general frustrations that go with Poker HAVE got the better of me), I have decided to retire from the game ... if you"re REAL quiet, you"ll probably hear Isuldur1 and Negreanu breath a HUGE sigh of relief 8) Although I don"t expect to be present at many future APAT events, I WILL continue to visit the Forum here and look forward to reading all the success stories and following the MANY friends I"ve made over the past two years.
GL to All in what I KNOW will be a very exciting Season 4.
tl;dr
Thanks for all the "Thanks" messages. My time on APAT has been most enjoyable but over the past couple of months I struggled to dedicate the time to Mod"ing the Forum etc. and to playing Poker. Mary was a great help to me in Seasons 2 and 3 and I was DELIGHTED to hear of her appointment. All the best Hun.
Due to an ever-increasing workload and a loss of passion for poker (yeah, the bad beats and general frustrations that go with Poker HAVE got the better of me), I have decided to retire from the game ... if you"re REAL quiet, you"ll probably hear Isuldur1 and Negreanu breath a HUGE sigh of relief 8) Although I don"t expect to be present at many future APAT events, I WILL continue to visit the Forum here and look forward to reading all the success stories and following the MANY friends I"ve made over the past two years.
GL to All in what I KNOW will be a very exciting Season 4.
PS Can I now tell everyone that the real reason for your retirement is that you are Isildur1 or is that still a secret.....
And Neil, you"ll be missed mate. Has been a pleasure working with you, and I"m looking forward to seeing you at a few live events in season 4.
Thanks for all the "Thanks" messages. My time on APAT has been most enjoyable but over the past couple of months I struggled to dedicate the time to Mod"ing the Forum etc. and to playing Poker. Mary was a great help to me in Seasons 2 and 3 and I was DELIGHTED to hear of her appointment. All the best Hun.
Due to an ever-increasing workload and a loss of passion for poker (yeah, the bad beats and general frustrations that go with Poker HAVE got the better of me), I have decided to retire from the game ... if you"re REAL quiet, you"ll probably hear Isuldur1 and Negreanu breath a HUGE sigh of relief 8) Although I don"t expect to be present at many future APAT events, I WILL continue to visit the Forum here and look forward to reading all the success stories and following the MANY friends I"ve made over the past two years.
GL to All in what I KNOW will be a very exciting Season 4.
Damn, it"s difficult to keep a secret around here!! ;)
Damn, it"s difficult to keep a secret around here!! ;)
If that was actually a secret, we"re in a whole lot of trouble. ;)
Anything we should know?
Damn, it"s difficult to keep a secret around here!! ;)
If that was actually a secret, we"re in a whole lot of trouble. ;)
Guess I was in the minority then not to be in that loop. Oh well.
Hey Ted, we"re on a plane!
Awaiting this annoucement with baited breath because it"s amzing how much more interest you would get with a company with decent software :-)
p.s. Pleeeeease don"t say another iPoker skin! haha
The key elements are falling into place. We are still ducking and diving around dates with some of the venues. There is one significant negotiation still taking place and I hope to have a clear position on that later this week. That doesn"t answer the question, but it gives you and indication of why I use the word "soon" a lot. ;D
it is not any operator who is US facing at this point in time
it is not any operator who is US facing at this point in time
Wow - spooky moment because at about the time you posted this I was thinking over who I might have overlooked and I suddenly realised that there"s a big player out there that I"m not aware of anyone talking about. PARTY POKER. And then you go and post that. So now I"m convinced that it"s them in just the same way I was 100% it was Sky followed by 100% it was Stars. However I"m more sure this time about this complete guess......
Am I close Des?? Is it time for a Party? The suspense of it all.............
Well you know what"s out there in terms of potential sponsors. We are extremely pleased with the partnership that will be in place for Season Four. But it is not any operator who is US facing at this point in time, which may well disappoint some, but while we remain an ambitious fast growing live poker organisation, then getting black listed in the US is not on our agenda.
There is one significant negotiation still taking place and I hope to have a clear position on that later this week.
A new venue for the Scottish Championship
Go on, you know it makes sense to hold it on the west coast. lol.
+1
A new venue for the Scottish Championship
Go on, you know it makes sense to hold it on the west coast. lol.
+1
I think it"s vital the Scottish Championship remains in the capital. Good for morale.
Please Des, put us out of our misery!! Season 3 is now officially over!
The key elements are falling into place. We are still ducking and diving around dates with some of the venues. There is one significant negotiation still taking place and I hope to have a clear position on that later this week. That doesn"t answer the question, but it gives you and indication of why I use the word "soon" a lot. ;D
Betfair ftw imo.
lol....some interesting developments today, which I"m buzzing about.
lol....some interesting developments today, which I"m buzzing about.
Sorry, not interested.
lol....some interesting developments today, which I"m buzzing about.
Sorry, not interested.
oh, I remember this tactic last year.
I"m not interested either. Bored actually.
... In other words Des is handling it in his usual professional manner ...
... and is not just trying to keep us on tenderhooks for his own perverse pleasure....
Believe me, as soon as I can say anything, I will. It"s going to be special. Very special. No, it"s going to be better than that. But there is a huge amount of detail involved and we will not go to press until everything is firmly buttoned down.
If you want a little tidbit though, you"ll be able to read about it first in APAT Magazine... coming soon ;)
Believe me, as soon as I can say anything, I will. It"s going to be special. Very special. No, it"s going to be better than that. But there is a huge amount of detail involved and we will not go to press until everything is firmly buttoned down.
If you want a little tidbit though, you"ll be able to read about it first in APAT Magazine... coming soon ;)
Have i missed this? Is there already an APAT Magazine, or is Des saying that they are about to start one?
Jon
Believe me, as soon as I can say anything, I will. It"s going to be special. Very special. No, it"s going to be better than that. But there is a huge amount of detail involved and we will not go to press until everything is firmly buttoned down.
If you want a little tidbit though, you"ll be able to read about it first in APAT Magazine... coming soon ;)
Have i missed this? Is there already an APAT Magazine, or is Des saying that they are about to start one?
Jon
Soon.
Believe me, as soon as I can say anything, I will. It"s going to be special. Very special. No, it"s going to be better than that. But there is a huge amount of detail involved and we will not go to press until everything is firmly buttoned down.
If you want a little tidbit though, you"ll be able to read about it first in APAT Magazine... coming soon ;)[/b]
Have i missed this? Is there already an APAT Magazine, or is Des saying that they are about to start one?
Jon
Soon.
Can"t wait to see the first "page 3", lol
Believe me, as soon as I can say anything, I will. It"s going to be special. Very special. No, it"s going to be better than that. But there is a huge amount of detail involved and we will not go to press until everything is firmly buttoned down.
If you want a little tidbit though, you"ll be able to read about it first in APAT Magazine... coming soon ;)[/b]
Have i missed this? Is there already an APAT Magazine, or is Des saying that they are about to start one?
Jon
Soon.
Can"t wait to see the first "page 3", lol
Trust You.!!!
Believe me, as soon as I can say anything, I will. It"s going to be special. Very special. No, it"s going to be better than that. But there is a huge amount of detail involved and we will not go to press until everything is firmly buttoned down.
If you want a little tidbit though, you"ll be able to read about it first in APAT Magazine... coming soon ;)[/b]
Have i missed this? Is there already an APAT Magazine, or is Des saying that they are about to start one?
Jon
Soon.
Can"t wait to see the first "page 3", lol
Trust You.!!!
Looks like we have our first volunteer. :o
Believe me, as soon as I can say anything, I will. It"s going to be special. Very special. No, it"s going to be better than that. But there is a huge amount of detail involved and we will not go to press until everything is firmly buttoned down.
If you want a little tidbit though, you"ll be able to read about it first in APAT Magazine... coming soon ;)[/b]
Have i missed this? Is there already an APAT Magazine, or is Des saying that they are about to start one?
Jon
Soon.
Can"t wait to see the first "page 3", lol
Trust You.!!!
Looks like we have our first volunteer. :o
Believe me, as soon as I can say anything, I will. It"s going to be special. Very special. No, it"s going to be better than that. But there is a huge amount of detail involved and we will not go to press until everything is firmly buttoned down.
If you want a little tidbit though, you"ll be able to read about it first in APAT Magazine... coming soon ;)[/b]
Have i missed this? Is there already an APAT Magazine, or is Des saying that they are about to start one?
Jon
Soon.
Can"t wait to see the first "page 3", lol
Trust You.!!!
Looks like we have our first volunteer. :o
Errrm.....Ian or me ???
Believe me, as soon as I can say anything, I will. It"s going to be special. Very special. No, it"s going to be better than that. But there is a huge amount of detail involved and we will not go to press until everything is firmly buttoned down.
If you want a little tidbit though, you"ll be able to read about it first in APAT Magazine... coming soon ;)[/b]
Have i missed this? Is there already an APAT Magazine, or is Des saying that they are about to start one?
Jon
Soon.
Can"t wait to see the first "page 3", lol
Trust You.!!!
Looks like we have our first volunteer. :o
Errrm.....Ian or me ???
arrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhh - images!!!
Thanks a lot guys
gonna have to b sick, the only Image now in my head is Ian gri ning, with only a bronze medal to cover his modesty!!!!!
Thanks a lot guys
gonna have to b sick, the only Image now in my head is Ian gri ning, with only a bronze medal to cover his modesty!!!!!
Thanks a lot guys
gonna have to b sick, the only Image now in my head is Ian gri ning, with only a bronze medal to cover his modesty!!!!!
Shouldn"t you be revising...? :D
We will get to hear the dates when Andy Murray wins a Grand Slam !!
All being well, it will be worth the wait. The man said trust him.
All being well, it will be worth the wait. The man said trust him.
and we do 8)
All being well, it will be worth the wait. The man said trust him.
and we do 8)
always :D
All being well, it will be worth the wait. The man said trust him.
and we do 8)
always :D
and forever :D
My 2010 live poker diary is already filling up fast....at this rate I won"t be making many of these this year! (taps foot impatiently.....!!!)
My 2010 live poker diary is already filling up fast....at this rate I won"t be making many of these this year! (taps foot impatiently.....!!!)
+1
....except its the damned social secretary filing up my calender,i mean how on earth can i committ to a weekend
in mid october until i know what dates i"m free ffs. ::)
My 2010 live poker diary is already filling up fast....at this rate I won"t be making many of these this year! (taps foot impatiently.....!!!)
+1
....except its the damned social secretary filing up my calender,i mean how on earth can i committ to a weekend
in mid october until i know what dates i"m free ffs. ::)
Tell your Social Secretary that it"s okay to commit to any events on Sundays, cos you"ll be available.
You think that"s an issue.
I have the go ahead to book a holiday to Vegas this year, but waiting for Season 4 dates first.
You think that"s an issue.
I have the go ahead to book a holiday to Vegas this year, but waiting for Season 4 dates first.
Tell your Social Secretary that it"s okay to commit to any events on Sundays, cos you"ll be available.
All being well, it will be worth the wait. The man said trust him.
and we do 8)
always :D
All being well, it will be worth the wait. The man said trust him.
and we do 8)
always :D
Can we really trust a man, who listens to Miley Cyrus
All being well, it will be worth the wait. The man said trust him.
and we do 8)
always :D
Can we really trust a man, who listens to Miley Cyrus
:D
My daughter thinks Miley is so uncool now...still, saved me $6 on the mileyworld.com subscription...lol
;)
All being well, it will be worth the wait. The man said trust him.
and we do 8)
always :D
Can we really trust a man, who listens to Miley Cyrus
:D
My daughter thinks Miley is so uncool now...still, saved me $6 on the mileyworld.com subscription...lol
;)
has she "Achy Breaky her Hart"
I know it's Billy Ray, Miley is his daughter.
There's nothing wrong with yesterday, some of the best music is from the 80's ok maybe not Bill Ray
I think this could lead to another thread, but that can wait until we have got season 4 announcement out of the way, when ever that may be
Just got a text off Mrs nosey-p saying "tonight's the night"
Just got a text off Mrs nosey-p saying "tonight's the night"
lucky you. ;)
Just got a text off Mrs nosey-p saying "tonight's the night"
Just got a text off Mrs nosey-p saying "tonight's the night"
I got the same text too.
We have taken a great many of the suggestions on board from this thread, and essentialy the schedule is complete. Minor details are now being worked on prior to publication and the opening leg in Hull...
I didn"t play any APAT events last year, I joined towards the end of the year and all the dates I had something on. This year I will try and get to as many events as I can. They look a great laugh and look forward to meeting you all. I know Rich, Des and Tikay as I play on Sky alot. The more live games I can play there better
See you all soon
Flash aka Charlie
It will be all of the above, but right now, it is very complicated. I don"t have a date for you yet and you"ll have to trust me and be patient. We"ll get there in the end and I hope that is before next week is out - but i"m relying on others too.
It will be all of the above, but right now, it is very complicated. I don"t have a date for you yet and you"ll have to trust me and be patient. We"ll get there in the end and I hope that is before next week is out - but i"m relying on others too.
When does this week get considered as being "out"?
It will be all of the above, but right now, it is very complicated. I don"t have a date for you yet and you"ll have to trust me and be patient. We"ll get there in the end and I hope that is before next week is out - but i"m relying on others too.
When does this week get considered as being "out"?
Consider this week out now due to delayed discussions with an important third party. We are targeting next weekend and I think we have a good chance of hitting that.
Perhap the dates should be published and keep the venues a surprise. That way, all busy APATers would have to go with the weekends they can make and hope they don"t get Hull....
....or Wakefield.....
I and lots of others would be grateful if you would publish, as soon as known, the date of the first live event (esp if within 4 weeks of the season announcement).
Also, I think at the end of the season u shud consider running a "champion of champions" event where u invite all APAT medalists to play!! Cud b a great fun game. Hopefully I can win a medal this season and give myself a chance :)
Will be a year too late for Ian ,Amanda
Also, I think at the end of the season u shud consider running a "champion of champions" event where u invite all APAT medalists to play!! Cud b a great fun game. Hopefully I can win a medal this season and give myself a chance :)
I like this idea...
Will be a year too late for Ian ,Amanda
Also, I think at the end of the season u shud consider running a "champion of champions" event where u invite all APAT medalists to play!! Cud b a great fun game. Hopefully I can win a medal this season and give myself a chance :)
I like this idea...
I cannot wait.............. 10 months to season 5
Following discussions with our headline partner yesterday, it looks like we will be coordinating an announcement of Season 4 on Wednesday.
Satellite qualifying will start for the first Amateur Championship the following Monday and that will be followed by the first Online Championship on the Saturday.
The sponsor plans to put £1,000 behind the bar at the first live event and with three APAT events going on, an exciting launch seems guaranteed.
We"re nearly there!
Following discussions with our headline partner yesterday, it looks like we will be coordinating an announcement of Season 4 on Wednesday.
Satellite qualifying will start for the first Amateur Championship the following Monday and that will be followed by the first Online Championship on the Saturday.
The sponsor plans to put £1,000 behind the bar at the first live event and with three APAT events going on, an exciting launch seems guaranteed.
We"re nearly there!
Can you tell us the location of the first live game?
Following discussions with our headline partner yesterday, it looks like we will be coordinating an announcement of Season 4 on Wednesday.
Satellite qualifying will start for the first Amateur Championship the following Monday and that will be followed by the first Online Championship on the Saturday.
The sponsor plans to put £1,000 behind the bar at the first live event and with three APAT events going on, an exciting launch seems guaranteed.
We"re nearly there!
Following discussions with our headline partner yesterday, it looks like we will be coordinating an announcement of Season 4 on Wednesday.
Satellite qualifying will start for the first Amateur Championship the following Monday and that will be followed by the first Online Championship on the Saturday.
The sponsor plans to put £1,000 behind the bar at the first live event and with three APAT events going on, an exciting launch seems guaranteed.
We"re nearly there!
Odds on the timing of the first season ban...?
Wiiiiiiiiiiiii
I like this new sponsor already!
Odds on the timing of the first season ban...?
Following discussions with our headline partner yesterday, it looks like we will be coordinating an announcement of Season 4 on Wednesday.
Satellite qualifying will start for the first Amateur Championship the following Monday and that will be followed by the first Online Championship on the Saturday.
The sponsor plans to put £1,000 behind the bar at the first live event and with three APAT events going on, an exciting launch seems guaranteed.
We"re nearly there!
Wiiiiiiiiiiiii
I like this new sponsor already!
Following discussions with our headline partner yesterday, it looks like we will be coordinating an announcement of Season 4 on Wednesday.
Satellite qualifying will start for the first Amateur Championship the following Monday and that will be followed by the first Online Championship on the Saturday.
The sponsor plans to put £1,000 behind the bar at the first live event and with three APAT events going on, an exciting launch seems guaranteed.
We"re nearly there!
Odds on the timing of the first season ban...?
"First Online Championship on the Saturday"....That will be Saturday 28th February then....and will clash with Day 2 of the Walsall GUKPT !
First of many clashes ??
Season Four Slow roll (http://www.7is7.com/otto/countdown.html?year=2010&month=02&date=17&hrs=12&ts=24&min=00&sec=0&tz=local&lang=en&show=dhms&mode=t&cdir=down&bgcolor=%23CCFFFF&fgcolor=%23000000&title=Season%20Four%20Slow%20roll)
Season Four Slow roll (http://www.7is7.com/otto/countdown.html?year=2010&month=02&date=17&hrs=12&ts=24&min=00&sec=0&tz=local&lang=en&show=dhms&mode=t&cdir=down&bgcolor=%23CCFFFF&fgcolor=%23000000&title=Season%20Four%20Slow%20roll)
Just what I needed - now I can keep a check on how long there is to go. Thank God you were there to do this.
Season Four Slow roll (http://www.7is7.com/otto/countdown.html?year=2010&month=02&date=17&hrs=12&ts=24&min=00&sec=0&tz=local&lang=en&show=dhms&mode=t&cdir=down&bgcolor=%23CCFFFF&fgcolor=%23000000&title=Season%20Four%20Slow%20roll)
Just what I needed - now I can keep a check on how long there is to go. Thank God you were there to do this.
Now we have to ask what time Des plans on posting the information.
February could be a very long month.
Now we have to ask what time Des plans on posting the information.
Wednesday could be a very long day.
Following discussions with our headline partner yesterday, it looks like we will be coordinating an announcement of Season 4 on Wednesday.
Satellite qualifying will start for the first Amateur Championship the following Monday and that will be followed by the first Online Championship on the Saturday.
The sponsor plans to put £1,000 behind the bar at the first live event and with three APAT events going on, an exciting launch seems guaranteed.
We"re nearly there!
Odds on the timing of the first season ban...?
Hush whilst I digest ths most delicious of announcements - I knew Des's negotiating skills were legendary and he is now officially my hero.
Awaiting the partner"s press release and then I will have to change the headers on the site and put APAT's detailed summary up.
ETA for everything late Wednesday, but we are on track.
Knowing Des he will post it at 23.55
Will try and get it up as early as possible, but 23:55 is a little on the aggressive side. 23:59"s the target :)
Will try and get it up as early as possible, but 23:55 is a little on the aggressive side. 23:59"s the target :)
Hope Mrs Duffy enjoys it :)
Awaiting the partner"s press release and then I will have to change the headers on the site and put APAT's detailed summary up.
ETA for everything late Wednesday, but we are on track.
Season Four Clock Stopped (http://www.7is7.com/otto/countdown.html?year=2010&month=02&date=17&hrs=12&ts=24&min=00&sec=0&tz=local&lang=en&show=dhms&mode=t&cdir=down&bgcolor=%23CCFFFF&fgcolor=%23000000&title=Season%20Four%20Clock%20Stopped)
At least we got the footy to keep us entertained lol
....and on the Giant Downhill, one woman managed to jump further than Eddie Edwards ever achieved!
....and on the Giant Downhill, one woman managed to jump further than Eddie Edwards ever achieved!
On another note, why is it that anyone that has ever represented Team GB at curling are from Scotland ?
Is curling just a scottish sport ?
Another ten minutes should do it.... I"d like to congratulate our new sponsor for having a wonderful tournament on Sunday night...
Another ten minutes should do it.... I"d like to congratulate our new sponsor for having a wonderful tournament on Sunday night...
Another ten minutes should do it.... I"d like to congratulate our new sponsor for having a wonderful tournament on Sunday night...
.......... ten mins?
LOL.
If only you all knew. ;D
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Ready to post the announcement and there is a technical issue delaying us...hopefully for not too much longer. Promise we"re not delaying this on purpose.
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migraine anyone?
Ready to post the announcement and there is a technical issue delaying us...hopefully for not too much longer. Promise we"re not delaying this on purpose.
Lol
I really hope this isnt going to be the biggest anti-climax in history!
I really hope this isnt going to be the biggest anti-climax in history!
I really hope this isnt going to be the biggest anti-climax in history!
I really hope this isnt going to be the biggest anti-climax in history!
Depends on your definition of anti-climax ? Personally, I am having a great time. This is nearly as good as the night the clickfest crashed the APAT site and Des couldn"t even log onto the site himself to post the clickfest link.
Oh, did we laugh about that. ;D
I really hope this isnt going to be the biggest anti-climax in history!
Depends on your definition of anti-climax ? Personally, I am having a great time. This is nearly as good as the night the clickfest crashed the APAT site and Des couldn"t even log onto the site himself to post the clickfest link.
Oh, did we laugh about that. ;D
Nah - watching dodgeball for the millionth time -- it"s funnier than this thread ;D ;D ;D ;D
Okay folks....I"m really sorry to disappoint you all, but for reasons beyond APAT's control, we have to postpone the season 4 announcement until tomorrow. We"re going to say 9pm for safety"s sake, so that we can support and answer any questions you may have. However, in the interim I do apologise for your sitting here this evening for nothing :(
Des.
Okay folks....I"m really sorry to disappoint you all, but for reasons beyond APAT's control, we have to postpone the season 4 announcement until tomorrow. We"re going to say 9pm for safety"s sake, so that we can support and answer any questions you may have. However, in the interim I do apologise for your sitting here this evening for nothing :(
Des.
Okay folks....I"m really sorry to disappoint you all, but for reasons beyond APAT's control, we have to postpone the season 4 announcement until tomorrow. We"re going to say 9pm for safety"s sake, so that we can support and answer any questions you may have. However, in the interim I do apologise for your sitting here this evening for nothing :(
Des.
Okay folks....I"m really sorry to disappoint you all, but for reasons beyond APAT's control, we have to postpone the season 4 announcement until tomorrow. We"re going to say 9pm for safety"s sake, so that we can support and answer any questions you may have. However, in the interim I do apologise for your sitting here this evening for nothing :(
Des.
Okay folks....I"m really sorry to disappoint you all, but for reasons beyond APAT's control, we have to postpone the season 4 announcement until tomorrow. We"re going to say 9pm for safety"s sake, so that we can support and answer any questions you may have. However, in the interim I do apologise for your sitting here this evening for nothing :(
Des.
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No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
FFS I run so bad! One of only two events I can make without incurring hotel costs, and I can"t make that weekend! Can I be the first to complain about the S4 calendar, before it"s even announced??!
No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
FFS I run so bad! One of only two events I can make without incurring hotel costs, and I can"t make that weekend! Can I be the first to complain about the S4 calendar, before it"s even announced??!
Des,
Have they all gone yet ?
Can I post the Season 4 announcement now ?
::)
I hate you Wiltshire!!!!
I hate you Wiltshire!!!!
Is that YOU Jack?
Myself and Ger had an "Announcement Party"... How foolish do we look now..!!
Myself and Ger had an "Announcement Party"... How foolish do we look now..!!
Myself and Ger had an "Announcement Party"... How foolish do we look now..!!
That is too funny. ;D
Myself and Ger had an "Announcement Party"... How foolish do we look now..!!
as long as there"s drink involved who cares , have another tommorow lol
willl u miss me cant make 20th lol m8 40th plus mols footy no good for mckinlays lol
willl u miss me cant make 20th lol m8 40th plus mols footy no good for mckinlays lol
clearly the date was carefully selected to be anti-BCPC
Myself and Ger had an "Announcement Party"... How foolish do we look now..!!
as long as there"s drink involved who cares , have another tommorow lol
we think alike
No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
Myself and Ger had an "Announcement Party"... How foolish do we look now..!!
willl u miss me cant make 20th lol m8 40th plus mols footy no good for mckinlays lol
clearly the date was carefully selected to be anti-BCPC
We can"t make 20th March either - that"s another two BCPC bites the dust.............
willl u miss me cant make 20th lol m8 40th plus mols footy no good for mckinlays lol
clearly the date was carefully selected to be anti-BCPC
What is this BCPC? Sounds like some kind of fascist group. I want to join the Anti-BCPC too.
No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
FYI
Wales v Italy egg chasing is on that weekend.
Hotels are either full or have a nice price tag.
I think for that I should reveal who the sponsor is. Good Sponsor. Google is a mans best friend. ;D
sorry m8 u have to be inbread talk sh??e and be a right donk ask ant woop woop
willl u miss me cant make 20th lol m8 40th plus mols footy no good for mckinlays lol
clearly the date was carefully selected to be anti-BCPC
What is this BCPC? Sounds like some kind of fascist group. I want to join the Anti-BCPC too.
No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
FYI
Wales v Italy egg chasing is on that weekend.
Hotels are either full or have a nice price tag.
I think for that I should reveal who the sponsor is. Good Sponsor. Google is a mans best friend. ;D
willl u miss me cant make 20th lol m8 40th plus mols footy no good for mckinlays lol
clearly the date was carefully selected to be anti-BCPC
What is this BCPC? Sounds like some kind of fascist group. I want to join the Anti-BCPC too.
Sorry John, you have a beard, so will therefore have to launch a legal challenge to force them to change their membership rules.
willl u miss me cant make 20th lol m8 40th plus mols footy no good for mckinlays lol
clearly the date was carefully selected to be anti-BCPC
What is this BCPC? Sounds like some kind of fascist group. I want to join the Anti-BCPC too.
Sorry John, you have a beard, so will therefore have to launch a legal challenge to force them to change their membership rules.
Tis true - noone in BCPC has a beard. It"s a yam yam rule.
20th march.....first event i take it? when is the clickfest....bet you im out of the bloody country at the clickfest time. how unlucky am i?
willl u miss me cant make 20th lol m8 40th plus mols footy no good for mckinlays lol
clearly the date was carefully selected to be anti-BCPC
What is this BCPC? Sounds like some kind of fascist group. I want to join the Anti-BCPC too.
Sorry John, you have a beard, so will therefore have to launch a legal challenge to force them to change their membership rules.
Tis true - noone in BCPC has a beard. It"s a yam yam rule.
FFS, are you lot up too late or something? I didn"t ask to join the BNPC. I want them banned.
20th march.....first event i take it? when is the clickfest....bet you im out of the bloody country at the clickfest time. how unlucky am i?
U got no chance Will, being BCPC and all....
The tournament is not being held in Cardiff...
I"ve just read through the posts and can"t find the Season 4 announcement. Suzanne promised me it was happening just after midnight Tuesday but Steve Redfern wrote on her Facebook that Wednesday lasted 24 hours which was news to me. Armed with that new knowledge I"ve been refreshing for 23.5 hours but still can"t find the tour dates and venues for 2010. Am I missing something? Has Des skipped town with Katherine Jenkins and shunned his duty? Maybe she whsiked him off to Wales on her eyelashes which could lift a crane. Oh, well, back to refreshing ...
I"m actually with Katherine now and she sends her love and is particularly looking forward to collecting what she called English tolls on March 20th...
QuoteI"m actually with Katherine now and she sends her love and is particularly looking forward to collecting what she called English tolls on March 20th...
Touchez Des, but shouldn"t that be "trolls"??
Okay folks....I"m really sorry to disappoint you all, but for reasons beyond APAT's control, we have to postpone the season 4 announcement until tomorrow. We"re going to say 9pm for safety"s sake, so that we can support and answer any questions you may have. However, in the interim I do apologise for your sitting here this evening for nothing :(
Des.
The tournament is not being held in Cardiff...
The tournament is not being held in Cardiff...
Having just returned from seeing Lostprophets in Brum, can anyone tell me if I have actually missed any announcement with regards to dates, places, etc.... for season 4 ?
I was told the announcement was going to be made live at the M & B brewery in Smethwick after several drinks but someone else told me that APAT couldn"t manage that !
Were they wrong ?
SO THATS A NO THEN ?
FFS - its a tough job and I for one APPRECIATE the work that goes into it (unpaid - and by some of the posts unsung) - calm down all we will find out tomorrow - after all It"s just another day
FFS - its a tough job and I for one APPRECIATE the work that goes into it (unpaid - and by some of the posts unsung) - calm down all we will find out tomorrow - after all It"s just another day
tommorrow is already today ;)
FFS - its a tough job and I for one APPRECIATE the work that goes into it (unpaid - and by some of the posts unsung) - calm down all we will find out tomorrow - after all It"s just another day
tommorrow is already today ;)
just logged on for first time in a while any chance of a re c ap cos you lot talk some dribble ! GET A LIFE!!!
I really hope some of these posts are in jest, because some are cutting the line a bit.
I"m not going to die because I dont know the schedule on Wednesday, Thursday or even Friday.
Des is doing his best, I think some of us should show some more respect for the hard work he is doing.
What were the lostprophets like Brian, im going to see them tomorrow.The dates for the first national are no good for me either,it must be a conspiracy against bcpc and scotsmen.
Having just returned from seeing Lostprophets in Brum, can anyone tell me if I have actually missed any announcement with regards to dates, places, etc.... for season 4 ?
I was told the announcement was going to be made live at the M & B brewery in Smethwick after several drinks but someone else told me that APAT couldn"t manage that !
Were they wrong ?
No point complaining guys, it"s out of our hands and we"re all disappointed. We"ll go again tomorrow and for those that want to play in the Welsh Amateur Championship, please reserve March 20th & 21st in your diaries.
just logged on for first time in a while any chance of a re c ap cos you lot talk some dribble ! GET A LIFE!!!
I really hope some of these posts are in jest, because some are cutting the line a bit.
I"m not going to die because I dont know the schedule on Wednesday, Thursday or even Friday.
Des is doing his best, I think some of us should show some more respect for the hard work he is doing.
Im sure they are all in jest...wouldnt want to Mrs Duffy right now though or even worse...his cat LOL
Having just returned from seeing Lostprophets in Brum, can anyone tell me if I have actually missed any announcement with regards to dates, places, etc.... for season 4 ?
I was told the announcement was going to be made live at the M & B brewery in Smethwick after several drinks but someone else told me that APAT couldn"t manage that !
Were they wrong ?
Brian, I guess you didn"t read the post that explains it is outwith APAT's hands?
Brian, I guess you didn"t read the post that explains it is outwith APAT's hands?
Outwith - a word only found in Scotland. And yet they use it freely as if it is a normal word and without realising that we do a double-take each time they say it.
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
This is my first season. What"s the usual entry fee in to the live tourneys, please? And will there be satellites on the (Soon to be announced) sponsor site? ???
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
This is my first season. What"s the usual entry fee in to the live tourneys, please? And will there be satellites on the (Soon to be announced) sponsor site? ???
Normally £75 entry fee and £100 for the Worlds.. and normally 3 satellites to have a crack at.. if you fail at those which I normally do its fastest fingers first in the joy that is the "clickfest" which normally happens on a Thursday at 9pm
This is my first season. What"s the usual entry fee in to the live tourneys, please? And will there be satellites on the (Soon to be announced) sponsor site? ???
Normally £75 entry fee and £100 for the Worlds.. and normally 3 satellites to have a crack at.. if you fail at those which I normally do its fastest fingers first in the joy that is the "clickfest" which normally happens on a Thursday at 9pm
What do you mean by clickfest???
This is my first season. What"s the usual entry fee in to the live tourneys, please? And will there be satellites on the (Soon to be announced) sponsor site? ???
Normally £75 entry fee and £100 for the Worlds.. and normally 3 satellites to have a crack at.. if you fail at those which I normally do its fastest fingers first in the joy that is the "clickfest" which normally happens on a Thursday at 9pm
What do you mean by clickfest???
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
No, you"re right hen. I"d stookie any bampots who start that stereotypical havering. Anywho, I"m feeling a wee bit peeliewallie now so I"m gonna go and eat my minted pieces.
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
No, you"re right hen. I"d stookie any bampots who start that stereotypical havering. Anywho, I"m feeling a wee bit peeliewallie now so I"m gonna go and eat my minted pieces.
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
No, you"re right hen. I"d stookie any bampots who start that stereotypical havering. Anywho, I"m feeling a wee bit peeliewallie now so I"m gonna go and eat my minted pieces.
I dinnae really ken wha" yoor on aboot, but I bet those Scots are calling you a bawbag the noo.
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
No, you"re right hen. I"d stookie any bampots who start that stereotypical havering. Anywho, I"m feeling a wee bit peeliewallie now so I"m gonna go and eat my minted pieces.
I dinnae really ken wha" yoor on aboot, but I bet those Scots are calling you a bawbag the noo.
Haud yer wheesht ye glaikit eejit. Ye Sassenachs dinna ken whit yer sayin".
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
No, you"re right hen. I"d stookie any bampots who start that stereotypical havering. Anywho, I"m feeling a wee bit peeliewallie now so I"m gonna go and eat my minted pieces.
I dinnae really ken wha" yoor on aboot, but I bet those Scots are calling you a bawbag the noo.
Haud yer wheesht ye glaikit eejit. Ye Sassenachs dinna ken whit yer sayin".
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
No, you"re right hen. I"d stookie any bampots who start that stereotypical havering. Anywho, I"m feeling a wee bit peeliewallie now so I"m gonna go and eat my minted pieces.
I dinnae really ken wha" yoor on aboot, but I bet those Scots are calling you a bawbag the noo.
Haud yer wheesht ye glaikit eejit. Ye Sassenachs dinna ken whit yer sayin".
Spoken like a true Scot who has moved to England.
OK, Sweepstake. How many pages do you think this Subject will be at by the time the Pre-Season announcement is made? I"ll go 46.
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
No, you"re right hen. I"d stookie any bampots who start that stereotypical havering. Anywho, I"m feeling a wee bit peeliewallie now so I"m gonna go and eat my minted pieces.
I dinnae really ken wha" yoor on aboot, but I bet those Scots are calling you a bawbag the noo.
Haud yer wheesht ye glaikit eejit. Ye Sassenachs dinna ken whit yer sayin".
Spoken like a true Scot who has moved to England.
No he hasn"t. He moved to Leeds.
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
No, you"re right hen. I"d stookie any bampots who start that stereotypical havering. Anywho, I"m feeling a wee bit peeliewallie now so I"m gonna go and eat my minted pieces.
I dinnae really ken wha" yoor on aboot, but I bet those Scots are calling you a bawbag the noo.
Haud yer wheesht ye glaikit eejit. Ye Sassenachs dinna ken whit yer sayin".
Spoken like a true Scot who has moved to England.
No he hasn"t. He moved to Leeds.
no he hasn"t, he moved to Wakefield
wtf is Kiev like in May please?
I know you are all bored awaiting news of Season 4, but I do hope this discussion thread does not continue with a country slanging match
Oh I do hope it does.
Ah the forum joker speaks
No, you"re right hen. I"d stookie any bampots who start that stereotypical havering. Anywho, I"m feeling a wee bit peeliewallie now so I"m gonna go and eat my minted pieces.
I dinnae really ken wha" yoor on aboot, but I bet those Scots are calling you a bawbag the noo.
Haud yer wheesht ye glaikit eejit. Ye Sassenachs dinna ken whit yer sayin".
Spoken like a true Scot who has moved to England.
No he hasn"t. He moved to Leeds.
no he hasn"t, he moved to Wakefield
I couldn"t find anything on google either.
What"s Hull like in May?
I"ve never been there, but i have heard that it"s grim up north!
I couldn"t find anything on google either.
I got excited for a moment:
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/apat/
What"s Hull like in May?
Same as it is for the other 11 months of the year - shite.
I couldn"t find anything on google either.
I got excited for a moment:
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/apat/
what is the link an old one??
would love it to be on stars
I couldn"t find anything on google either.
I got excited for a moment:
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/apat/
what is the link an old one??
would love it to be on stars
If only :-[ Pretty sure that link"s from S1
8)Learn the art of patience. Apply discipline to your thoughts when they become anxious over the outcome of a goal. Impatience breeds anxiety, fear, discouragement and failure. Patience creates confidence, decisiveness, and a rational outlook, which eventually leads to success. 8)
Anon.
8)Learn the art of patience. Apply discipline to your thoughts when they become anxious over the outcome of a goal. Impatience breeds anxiety, fear, discouragement and failure. Patience creates confidence, decisiveness, and a rational outlook, which eventually leads to success. 8)
Anon.
8)Learn the art of patience. Apply discipline to your thoughts when they become anxious over the outcome of a goal. Impatience breeds anxiety, fear, discouragement and failure. Patience creates confidence, decisiveness, and a rational outlook, which eventually leads to success. 8)
Anon.
Boll*****s!! - hurry up and tell us!!!!
:o
lol
One hour to go kids ;D
One hour to go kids ;D
Just home, everything on track.
Just home, everything on track.
Promoters network working OK tonight then?
Just home, everything on track.
Yer right !!!!! BOLL******X to patience !!!!
Just home, everything on track.
but the train is coming
What time are we looking at now then?
Just home, everything on track.
but the train is coming
yep - that"s the light at the end of the tunnel
That"s odd - I"ve got 8.44
That"s odd - I"ve got 8.44
8:45
I assume we are talking 9pm GMT..... :P
Sorry we have failed to synchroise our watches
Please bear with us while we do so
Sorry we have failed to synchroise our watches
Please bear with us while we do so
Rich,
What number is Mickey pointing at now ?
Sorry we have failed to synchroise our watches
Please bear with us while we do so
Rich,
What number is Mickey pointing at now ?
Nearly 12 Leigh
What number is Minnie pointing at for you?
Mission Aborted.
Season 4 Announcement (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=5149.0)
All I can say is I can`t wait!!
Gutted I can"t make the Welsh - one of only 2 big weekends I have to be in the office but hey ho that"s life - the efforts of Des et al are much appreciated.
Really hope 25th Sept will be APAT free!!
Love the idea of mini festivals over the weekends and esp main event on the sunday.
How about a cheap tourney on the sundays of the main event day 2, something cheep, crapshooty but fun like a bounty game so those who have the whole weekend can play again.
Really have no love for the regional teams thing (sorry) but cant please everyone, would prefer to play it as 1 game rather than divisions personally then chop it divisionally out from there if you must. That would reduce the bias towards the bigger (membership wise) teams imo.
Betfair ftw imo.
This thread can be used for APAT members and management to discuss potential developments ahead of the finalisation of Season Four. If there is something you would like to see in the new season, please make your suggestions here.
This thread can be used for APAT members and management to discuss potential developments ahead of the finalisation of Season Four. If there is something you would like to see in the new season, please make your suggestions here.
I haven"t re-read all 46 pages but I don"t believe I saw any APAT members request a Pro series, nor any APAT management person throw it in for discussion. ???
APAT has a product - the £75, 2-day, deepstack amatuer tournament - for which, right from Season 1, Day 1, demand has way outstripped supply.
What I do see mentioned many times are suggestions for ways of increasing available seats at each event.
I have read Rich"s "Bigger Picture" response on a couple of threads, but I"m afraid it makes no sense to me. If you were in the business of manufacturing the ever popular "Widget", that no home can be without, and you are struggling to meet all you orders... would you then take 25% of your workforce off of widget production so that they could make the new "Doodahs" for which you have only had a couple of tentative enquiries and no firm orders... I think not!
Whilst I congratulate all at APAT for everything else that they have delivered for Season 4 and thank them for all the hard work they do on our behalf, I believe this pro series is a mistake and had it been put forward as a suggestion on this thread, pointing out that it will take 25% - 30% of the seats from all but the DTD event, that it would have received very little support.
Sunday move prob wouldn"t work as most pros who would play that event would also play Sunday majors online, and would therefore stay at home.
Sunday move prob wouldn"t work as most pros who would play that event would also play Sunday majors online, and would therefore stay at home.
Tighty has gone into the reasons why both comps are being held on the same day elsewhere and, although I am disappionted with the reduction of "amateur" seats, I won"t argue that point now...I think. Big Picture stuff.
Des has made it clear that he felt there was demand from within the existing membership for a higher entry comp. Perhaps they didn"t put down in writing in the forums but I"m not going to call the man a liar.
Arguably, Des and Richard speak to more APAT members on a face to face basis than anyone else and if they felt the demand wasn"t there they wouldn"t have risked the shellacking they are getting now.
Whether it should be called the "Pro" series is arguable, but it rolls of tongue better than "The Higher Priced APAT Tourney"....and it allows "true" pros to be brought further into the fold. Two of my friends welcomed the opportunity to play in the "Pro" comp, and whilst they are excellent players, they are not, by any stretch "proper" pros*.
*Jim, Tel with apologies.
Good post ^^^^^^^^
Good post ^^^^^^^^
Thanks..I worked hard on it. I have some sympathy with some of the comments that have been made but we haven"t even held the fist event yet. Let"s do that and then bitch and moan some more.
I KNOW Des and Richard (and the others) take everything we say into account when planning an extensive season of poker across the UK and Europe. They know they can"t please everyone but, unfortunately all too often, it seems that the fault-finding outweighs the appreciation they should be getting.
They know they can"t please everyone but, unfortunately all too often, it seems that the fault-finding outweighs the appreciation they should be getting.
Good post ^^^^^^^^
Thanks..I worked hard on it. I have some sympathy with some of the comments that have been made but we haven"t even held the fist event yet. Let"s do that and then bitch and moan some more.
I KNOW Des and Richard (and the others) take everything we say into account when planning an extensive season of poker across the UK and Europe. They know they can"t please everyone but, unfortunately all too often, it seems that the fault-finding outweighs the appreciation they should be getting.
I"m sorry if you see it as bitching and moaning, however I reserve my right to express my opinion and question why such a proposal might not have been put up for discussion, in a thread started by APAT expressly for the purpose of discussing proposals for season 4.
This thread can be used for APAT members and management to discuss potential developments ahead of the finalisation of Season Four. If there is something you would like to see in the new season, please make your suggestions here.
I also think that a lot of APAT members play within a bigger bankroll and are not as motivated to play a £75 deepstack over a long weekend, especially if it has been during a period of time when they may have played GUKPT or DTD deepstacks and fancy a weekend with the family.
The question of those with bigger bankrolls is interesting - is there scope for some higher buy in events which would bring these players more into the centre of the APAT. I would be very keen to qualify for/play in these were they ran?
My general feel on the APAT events is that the spirit is better than other comps - so other things equal I would prefer to play a £200 freezeout run by APAT than a side event in some other festival.
Many APAT players have come of age through playing affordable multi day tournaments with us over the last four years. We feel the time is right to offer those players an opportunity to step up with the introduction of the APAT Professional League. With the outstanding prizes on offer, this is certain to attract some strong professional players and our existing players will learn more quickly playing alongside them. We look forward to charting your continuing success.
Des Duffy
Managing Director
Amateur Poker Association & Tour.
This thread wasn"t for APAT to suggest things
and for us to shoot them down
Unfortunately, you appear to be outside the tent pi**ing in on this one.
... I congratulate all at APAT for everything else that they have delivered for Season 4 and thank them for all the hard work they do on our behalf...
Whether it should be called the "Pro" series is arguable, but it rolls of tongue better than "The Higher Priced APAT Tourney"....and it allows "true" pros to be brought further into the fold.
Des has made it clear that he felt there was demand from within the existing membership for a higher entry comp. Perhaps they didn"t put down in writing in the forums but I"m not going to call the man a liar.
we haven"t even held the fist event yet. Let"s do that and then bitch and moan some more.
unfortunately all too often, it seems that the fault-finding outweighs the appreciation they should be getting.
This thread wasn"t for APAT to suggest things and for us to shoot them down,
You reserved it allright Alan, for 45 pages you reserved it. I looked and couldn"t find any contribution from you whatsoever.
Unfortunately, you appear to be outside the tent pi**ing in on this one.
Nice post John.
I"m not keen on the way this thread is turning. In particular, Paulie"s posts last night are very harsh and a bit OTT.
Nice one Paulie.
APAT out of Casinos? I don"t understand that one?
Nice one Paulie.
APAT out of Casinos? I don"t understand that one?
Capacity ?
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Actually bearing in mind the scale of Des's ambition I"m thinking more like:
The First InterPlanetary Amateur Poker Championship for Season 5 anyone?
Nice one Paulie.
APAT out of Casinos? I don"t understand that one?
Capacity ?
I agree with you Brian, and the Pro series will be a raging success in the same way that all that APAT does is successful. However, I think it"s worth remembering that APAT's grass roots were about giving a poker starting ground to lesser experienced players, and introducing people to deepstack slow clock "proper" poker for an affordable price.
By stepping up, I have to question whether that is still the ethos of APAT. As others have posted, there are other UK tours out there that provide proper poker for buy ins around £250 - why does APAT need to move into that field?
Ultimately, I have complete faith in APAT, and in Des and Rich"s vision for how this will turn out. I just hope though that the proving ground that many people have cut their teeth on is not removed or reduced. APAT provides something that is not available anywhere else in Europe (the World?), and I do wonder if something that isn"t broke should be fixed.
If the £250 events detract from the £75 tour, and decrease the available number of seats that are always in high demand, it wil be a shame if it potential new players find they are unable to play.
It"s all good though. I know APAT will do the right thing and continue to grow and be highly successful.
I wonder if the winner of the first "Pro" Event will have a rapid rise to obscurity as the winner of the first "amateur" event did?
I really can"t understand any opposition to this being added to the tour as to me it makes perfect sense. Poker has grown rapidly in the UK in the past 4 years and so has the skill set out there. APAT cannot continue to cater for the newbies it has to move with the skill set that is growing out there. Hopefully the winning players have grown their bankrolls and in doing so no longer find it worthwhile to make an 8 hour round trip for a £75 tourney but this addition makes it something worth thinking about.
I"m sure Des and co will not be worried about the initial numbers as there is the bigger picture to consider and I"m confident it will gather steam after each event is promoted but in saying that I"m also sure Swansea will see a surge in players nearer the time (even the GG are currently considering it ;)) and it will be a successful event. The numbers game will always be difficult to balance but you can only please some of the people some of the time.
One thing APAT/Betfair might want to consider is running more than one satellite to the event (if it doesn"t sell out) as the first only generated one seat (and that fish couldn"t make it). Or running more steps in the lead up to the $50 sat for those who dont want to pay $50 for a sat, or even a rebuy. I also think the sats for this should be PL (maybe it was I dunno I missed it!)
I wonder if the winner of the first "Pro" Event will have a rapid rise to obscurity as the winner of the first "amateur" event did?
I really can"t understand any opposition to this being added to the tour as to me it makes perfect sense. Poker has grown rapidly in the UK in the past 4 years and so has the skill set out there. APAT cannot continue to cater for the newbies it has to move with the skill set that is growing out there. Hopefully the winning players have grown their bankrolls and in doing so no longer find it worthwhile to make an 8 hour round trip for a £75 tourney but this addition makes it something worth thinking about.
I"m sure Des and co will not be worried about the initial numbers as there is the bigger picture to consider and I"m confident it will gather steam after each event is promoted but in saying that I"m also sure Swansea will see a surge in players nearer the time (even the GG are currently considering it ;)) and it will be a successful event. The numbers game will always be difficult to balance but you can only please some of the people some of the time.
One thing APAT/Betfair might want to consider is running more than one satellite to the event (if it doesn"t sell out) as the first only generated one seat (and that fish couldn"t make it). Or running more steps in the lead up to the $50 sat for those who dont want to pay $50 for a sat, or even a rebuy. I also think the sats for this should be PL (maybe it was I dunno I missed it!)
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To add a slight differnt angle of this discussion of the Pro League, my opinion is this:
Having secured a seat for the event with the luxury of not having to pay an otherwise out of my price range buyin, I"m a little sceptical about the event. The reason for this is due to the more concerned views towards the event than positive ones. It seems so far that apaters aren"t too keen on the tournament and whether this is because of the higher buyin or the fact its taking seats away from the standard and very much loved amateur 2day event, its still receiving some hostility.
From my point of view, (in having a seat) I"m worried that the turnout will be low and therefore it questions whether its worth taking my place and opting out of playing in the amateur event. In the hope of cashing in a tournament that weekend, I wonder what would be potentially more rewarding based on the buyin X number of runners in each event.
I wonder if the winner of the first "Pro" Event will have a rapid rise to obscurity as the winner of the first "amateur" event did?
I really can"t understand any opposition to this being added to the tour as to me it makes perfect sense. Poker has grown rapidly in the UK in the past 4 years and so has the skill set out there. APAT cannot continue to cater for the newbies it has to move with the skill set that is growing out there. Hopefully the winning players have grown their bankrolls and in doing so no longer find it worthwhile to make an 8 hour round trip for a £75 tourney but this addition makes it something worth thinking about.
I"m sure Des and co will not be worried about the initial numbers as there is the bigger picture to consider and I"m confident it will gather steam after each event is promoted but in saying that I"m also sure Swansea will see a surge in players nearer the time (even the GG are currently considering it ;)) and it will be a successful event. The numbers game will always be difficult to balance but you can only please some of the people some of the time.
One thing APAT/Betfair might want to consider is running more than one satellite to the event (if it doesn"t sell out) as the first only generated one seat (and that fish couldn"t make it). Or running more steps in the lead up to the $50 sat for those who dont want to pay $50 for a sat, or even a rebuy. I also think the sats for this should be PL (maybe it was I dunno I missed it!)
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There is probably some maturity in that post somewhere.
However, I"m not the type to have futile debates on forums, forums for me are all about sharing opinions and maybe respecting some opinions you may not agree with yourself.
GL sir
To add a slight differnt angle of this discussion of the Pro League, my opinion is this:
Having secured a seat for the event with the luxury of not having to pay an otherwise out of my price range buyin, I"m a little sceptical about the event. The reason for this is due to the more concerned views towards the event than positive ones. It seems so far that apaters aren"t too keen on the tournament and whether this is because of the higher buyin or the fact its taking seats away from the standard and very much loved amateur 2day event, its still receiving some hostility.
From my point of view, (in having a seat) I"m worried that the turnout will be low and therefore it questions whether its worth taking my place and opting out of playing in the amateur event. In the hope of cashing in a tournament that weekend, I wonder what would be potentially more rewarding based on the buyin X number of runners in each event.
Blatent brag post IMO ;) x
I wonder if the winner of the first "Pro" Event will have a rapid rise to obscurity as the winner of the first "amateur" event did?
I really can"t understand any opposition to this being added to the tour as to me it makes perfect sense. Poker has grown rapidly in the UK in the past 4 years and so has the skill set out there. APAT cannot continue to cater for the newbies it has to move with the skill set that is growing out there. Hopefully the winning players have grown their bankrolls and in doing so no longer find it worthwhile to make an 8 hour round trip for a £75 tourney but this addition makes it something worth thinking about.
I"m sure Des and co will not be worried about the initial numbers as there is the bigger picture to consider and I"m confident it will gather steam after each event is promoted but in saying that I"m also sure Swansea will see a surge in players nearer the time (even the GG are currently considering it ;)) and it will be a successful event. The numbers game will always be difficult to balance but you can only please some of the people some of the time.
One thing APAT/Betfair might want to consider is running more than one satellite to the event (if it doesn"t sell out) as the first only generated one seat (and that fish couldn"t make it). Or running more steps in the lead up to the $50 sat for those who dont want to pay $50 for a sat, or even a rebuy. I also think the sats for this should be PL (maybe it was I dunno I missed it!)
(http://ixwebhostwarning.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/shocked.jpg)
There is probably some maturity in that post somewhere.
However, I"m not the type to have futile debates on forums, forums for me are all about sharing opinions and maybe respecting some opinions you may not agree with yourself.
GL sir
I was just glad of the fact that you managed to actually shock Rio into speechlessness, rather than have to read a big long post of analysis from him
I think he may have been suggesting that the idea of the Amateur Poker Association and Tour not catering for new players may be an unusual one
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I think you"re right that the idea of the Pro tour will take off and the numbers will grow.
Playing around with the buy in or adding a rebuy might show that there"s demand for a different type of satellite but running more of the same satellites seems a bit pointless when the first one only generated one seat; it suggests that their just isn"t the demand for it yet.