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Poker Forum => Online Archive => Online Poker => General Online Poker Discussion => Topic started by: maverick1 on November 08, 2009, 22:49:33 PM
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ive only been playing online for a few months and im not quite sure whether to continue playing or not, i play on fulltilt and in my 3 years of live poker ive never endured so many bad beats and just some weird betting that always seems to prevail!
ive been doing some research and i understand there is a programme called poker RNG which is a random number generator which works in synch with the websites RNG and it predicts what cards will be dealt flopped etc, alot of people say this programme is a fake and doesn"t work but others say it does and to be honest id probably say it does and i bet theres also a cheat to see other players hole cards which some people say there is1
there is no other way to explain these strange bets and wierd run of cards that almost never happen in live poker!
im so fed up of these bad beats im withdrawing my fulltilt account and iv just started on blue sq but iv just lost al confidence into the security of these sites!
are we being scammed?
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Wow, that"s a serious one for your first proper thread.
Ummmm, not sure where to start with this one, there are lots of conspiracy theories regarding online sites. I"ve been playing for nearly five years on numerous sites and I have to be honest, I think most are well run and have very good security and audited processes.
That"s not to say that recent stories surrounding Absolute and Ultimate can tarnish the reputation of online poker.
I"d like to think that the big sites such as Pokerstars, FullTilt and Ipoker have very little interest in rigging their software. They would have far too much to lose should anything happen.
When playing online, it is important to remember that you see a much higher number of hands per hour than playing live, and to that extent, you will experience higher variance, more badbeats and suckouts.
That"s just one of those things and I don"t think any site is worse of better than the next. As far as your game goes, you really should look at the type of games on offer and the type of player playing on the sites, and based on that choose your tournaments.
Good Luck.
Leigh
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I"d have to agree with Leigh, people will suspect your motives if your first proper post is being overly critical towards online poker generally or Full Tilt specifically. You might find a more serious response to this type of post once people get to know you better.
Personally speaking, online poker is not a big scam.
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An age old, and rather tiring debate.
Bad beats aren"t "bad" - they are just a win for the under-dog. There is no difference between live and online - it"s just that we tend to remember the "bad" beats..... and online we play around 5 times the hand volume per hour as we do live.... hence therefore we see and remember more "bad" beats per hour online.
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having followed the WSOP final table, I have to say live poker is far more rigged
I mean KK > AA, 33 > JJ, 22 > QQ. Proof if you needed it
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having followed the WSOP final table, I have to say live poker is far more rigged
I mean KK > AA, 33 > JJ, 22 > QQ. Proof if you needed it
99 v KK at APAT bolton I am not bitter ;D ;D ;D
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live poker is rigged, stick to online imo
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there is no other way to explain these strange bets and wierd run of cards that almost never happen in live poker!
You must come down to my local cardroom sometime.
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having followed the WSOP final table, I have to say live poker is far more rigged
I mean KK > AA, 33 > JJ, 22 > QQ. Proof if you needed it
99 v KK at APAT bolton I am not bitter ;D ;D ;D
Sorry Duke. The only time I was in bad all weekend apart from my exit hand. Backed up my thoughts that you have to suck out at some point to go deep in these tourneys.
And to make it worse, I bokk"ed you in the Sky event yesterday. It"s nothing personal.
Have a great time in Vegas.
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having followed the WSOP final table, I have to say live poker is far more rigged
I mean KK > AA, 33 > JJ, 22 > QQ. Proof if you needed it
99 v KK at APAT bolton I am not bitter ;D ;D ;D
KK < KQ at APAT bolton
AA < JJ at the venetian
I"ll stick to online. Its easy ;D ;D ;D
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having followed the WSOP final table, I have to say live poker is far more rigged
I mean KK > AA, 33 > JJ, 22 > QQ. Proof if you needed it
99 v KK at APAT bolton I am not bitter ;D ;D ;D
Sorry Duke. The only time I was in bad all weekend apart from my exit hand. Backed up my thoughts that you have to suck out at some point to go deep in these tourneys.
And to make it worse, I bokk"ed you in the Sky event yesterday. It"s nothing personal.
Have a great time in Vegas.
It"s not a problem just trying to tell OP it happens wherever you play. Vegas will not know what hit it..........
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having followed the WSOP final table, I have to say live poker is far more rigged
I mean KK > AA, 33 > JJ, 22 > QQ. Proof if you needed it
99 v KK at APAT bolton I am not bitter ;D ;D ;D
KK < KQ at APAT bolton
AA < JJ at the venetian
I"ll stick to online. Its easy ;D ;D ;D
Rob, I seem to remember AT v AQ at APAT Bolton too ;)
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having followed the WSOP final table, I have to say live poker is far more rigged
I mean KK > AA, 33 > JJ, 22 > QQ. Proof if you needed it
99 v KK at APAT bolton I am not bitter ;D ;D ;D
KK < KQ at APAT bolton
AA < JJ at the venetian
I"ll stick to online. Its easy ;D ;D ;D
Rob, I seem to remember AT v AQ at APAT Bolton too ;)
correct yes, well spotted
get them in bad, IMO, the poker gods will do the rest
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i used to bleat about bad beats and rigged poker all the time
found the advice on these forums helped and realised that its mostly down to variance
the more hands you play the more weird cards you see come down
a good explanation of how this works is explained here by barry greenstein
doomswitch
http://www.pokerroad.com/radio/tips-from-the-bear/posts/overcoming-the-doomswitch
overcoming variance
http://www.pokerroad.com/radio/tips-from-the-bear/posts/overcoming-variance
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lol a a4 da nuts for swinebag ...leave it 8)
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An age old, and rather tiring debate.
Bad beats aren"t "bad" - they are just a win for the under-dog. There is no difference between live and online - it"s just that we tend to remember the "bad" beats..... and online we play around 5 times the hand volume per hour as we do live.... hence therefore we see and remember more "bad" beats per hour online.
Bloody hell!! I just had that exact discussion with some one at a live tournament last night!! :) Can"t believe thats another post I agree with you. ;)
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Can"t believe thats another post I agree with you. ;)
Steady on Mike, people will talk!
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Online poker"s a scam, the illuminati control it all, all vaccines contain toxins to cause infertility and control the world"s population, the WTC attacks were done by the US government, Princess Di is living with Elvis in Grimsby running a greasy spoon, and Tom Cruise is sane.
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Online poker"s a scam, the illuminati control it all, all vaccines contain toxins to cause infertility and control the world"s population, the WTC attacks were done by the US government, Princess Di is living with Elvis in Grimsby running a greasy spoon, and Tom Cruise is sane.
And Kinboshi once won an APAT event, so live poker must be fixed. ;)
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having followed the WSOP final table, I have to say live poker is far more rigged
I mean KK > AA, 33 > JJ, 22 > QQ. Proof if you needed it
99 v KK at APAT bolton I am not bitter ;D ;D ;D
KK < KQ at APAT bolton
AA < JJ at the venetian
I"ll stick to online. Its easy ;D ;D ;D
Agree with AMRN they"re not "bad beats".. no difference live vs online.. and I should know it was my KK at Bolton vs KQ :( :(
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thankyou for your replies and sorry if it was too much of full on question or insulted anyone i just wanted to find out some other online players views.
just to let you know i contacted fulltilt about this and they replied assuring me there is noway anyone can cheat to see other players hole cards and they also say their own random generator cannot be copied or synchronised with any other software.
hopefully this is the case as i love playing online.
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That"s a relief. I feel more comfortable now that Filt Tilt has assured you that its software isn"t rigged.
Sometimes John you can come across so sarcastic.
Ever since that 5th place in the Portsmouth Snooker Club Rebuy, you seem to talk down to people when it comes to poker. ;)
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how do you play a snooker rebuy
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That"s a relief. I feel more comfortable now that Filt Tilt has assured you that its software isn"t rigged.
Sometimes John you can come across so sarcastic.
Ever since that 5th place in the Portsmouth Snooker Club Rebuy, you seem to talk down to people when it comes to poker. ;)
If you"ve got it, flaunt it. TBH I can"t understand why The Hendon Mob keeps refusing to include that result on its database.
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i used to bleat about bad beats
LOL. What has changed???
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how do you play a snooker rebuy
Fastest finger first
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So Leigh, tell me. What was your exit hand at Bolton? ;D
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Online poker isn"t rigged, there may have been a couple of dodgy operations in the past but there"s no way any of the big sites these days are rigged, the sites have too much money to lose if they are caught in a cheating scandal. It"s purely volume and variance issues, and like has already been said - you"re playing more hands /hour and you"re more likely to remember bad beats than the pots you win.
I myself am on a shocking run online at the moment that has seen my bankroll disappear before my eyes, i"ve been keeping record recently and from my last 27 tournament exits i"ve went all in ahead 23 times only to be outdrawn. I know exactly how you feel but it"s just bad luck and spazzy players aligning perfectly that flag up these weird plays.
The constant beats don"t make me trust poker sites any less - even when I get one outered on the river:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?4886217
:D 50p ;D