Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: maverick1 on November 17, 2009, 22:27:16 PM
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in my pub league last night final table 3 handed im in the big stack about 50k against 2 short stacks so im killing it.
blinds 2k 4k
my hand small blind 8c 8d
button folds and i call the big blind who announces no raise
flop comes 8h 8s :3d:
ive flopped quad 8"s inside im going mad! right now for extraction!
i check, he usually bets when checked to him but he checks behind me (not a good start)
turn 9s
as he checked behind me on the flop i assume he missed holding high cards (or possibly a pile of rubbish hitting bottom pair), feeling a small value bet would knock him off i check, surely he"s gotta bet, nope he checks behind again (not too happy right now)
river 5d
should i bet, no lets get him to induce a bluff and il come over the top, i check he checks behind.
quad 8"s 3 handed end of tourney and i win the blinds lol not good!
everyone cant believe how bad i played quads, i argued i played it the best i could reading him well knowing his style, he said he put me on high cards.
so he didnt get a read on me, so how and where did i go wrong? what would you have done?
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if you think hes going to bet after you check the flop the only way your getting chips is if he thinks your at it you have 2 bet the turn hes going 2 put you on a draw if he has ak or any pair hes going 2 call your there 2 win chips y check
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min bet the flop, if he calls, check the turn, then bet the river.
the least you should have done here is bet the river, you cant rely on others to bet for you all the time, he has checked twice so likely wanting to check all the way, I suppose you have to look at it this way
worst case; you bet he folds
best case; you bet he raises all in and you snap it off
either way you can only gain from betting as checking means you get nothing anyway.
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if he has any semblance of a hand, he may well play at a donk lead on the flop. if he has nothing, c"est la vie. lead the flop and he is unlikely to put you on an 8 and might play back at you.....
If you know him to be a highly aggressive position player, then checking the flop is the right thing to do. However in my opinion, a donk lead out on a paired board is often good.
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So you"ve got 12 BBs and you"re the chip leader?
You"ve got no room for being fancy (especially if you play as badly as this hand suggests) and should shoving 99.99999999% of your range preflop in this spot!
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Somtimes getting such a big hand is never gonna get paid off.
After the flop, everything is all about table image. If you have lead out, and then folded to a repop recently, then lead out. If your opponent is a know floater, then lead out etc.....
you just play on you image. Somtimes hard in pub games however, opponents are usually not sophisticated enough to observe other hands, so building up an image can be very hard. And because they all tried to tell you how to play, i reckon they probably are unsophisticated. ;)
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So you"ve got 12 BBs and you"re the chip leader?
You"ve got no room for being fancy (especially if you play as badly as this hand suggests) and should shoving 99.99999999% of your range preflop in this spot!
this.....esp with a pair like 8s
if he has any semblance of a hand, he may well play at a donk lead on the flop. if he has nothing, c"est la vie. lead the flop and he is unlikely to put you on an 8 and might play back at you.....
If you know him to be a highly aggressive position player, then checking the flop is the right thing to do. However in my opinion, a donk lead out on a paired board is often good.
but if not this.. he cant put u on much if you lead at this kind of board. If he calls check the turn to encourage the float...mind you this is pub poker so prob doesn"t know what a float is.
Typical pub poker imo
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raise preflop
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100% raise pre - I see no reason to limp w/ 12x wen u r chipleader. Stucture obv makes the blinds at this stage extremely valuable.
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raise preflop
Standard at this stage.
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can i also add that getting value from quads with 12bbs is the least of a poker player"s worries. It happens so infrequently that it is hardly going to improve one"s long-term win-rate that much. If he is aggro then raising pre to induce a shove is good for starters, maybe donking the turn is good again to induce as played, but flatting pre isn"t good unless you know he is always going to jam when you limp BvB.
I guess most live players default would be to check to the river and let him catch up, which is ok i suppose when you only have 12bb to get in the middle