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Title: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: cincicrappykid on April 26, 2010, 11:12:38 AM
sic hand from last nights div 1 round 5 match .................... 3rd level

mid pos push allin .... button calls ..... small blind calls..... im bb with aces  woop .............
mid shows  ah jh...button  kh kc.....sb... 7c 7d....me  :as: ac.....
flop  7h ks jc...... turn  jd...river blank ..........just lol ?
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Chipaccrual on April 26, 2010, 11:32:37 AM
If you want an opinion, I"m folding aces there.  (Although, I"d need to know stack sizes, for definite)

Very unlucky though.

Fullhouse beats fullhouse beats a set beats pocket aces.  And I thought I was running bad at the moment.   ;D
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Keith B on April 26, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
crap shuffle I reckon.
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: AMRN on April 26, 2010, 12:05:22 PM
50p Tony

Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: StuartHopkin on April 26, 2010, 12:15:55 PM

If you want an opinion, I"m folding aces there.  (Although, I"d need to know stack sizes, for definite)

Very unlucky though.

Fullhouse beats fullhouse beats a set beats pocket aces.  And I thought I was running bad at the moment.   ;D


What stack sizes would make you fold an ace and another ace pre Leigh?
Or do you just have sick levelling skillz on teh APAT forum?
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Chipaccrual on April 26, 2010, 12:22:49 PM


If you want an opinion, I"m folding aces there.  (Although, I"d need to know stack sizes, for definite)

Very unlucky though.

Fullhouse beats fullhouse beats a set beats pocket aces.  And I thought I was running bad at the moment.   ;D


What stack sizes would make you fold an ace and another ace pre Leigh?
Or do you just have sick levelling skillz on teh APAT forum?


If I"ve got them all covered, then I"m probably going to call.  If I"m shortstacked, then I"m probably going to call.

If all the stack sizes are fairly equal, and near enough average, then there are better spots than calling with aces against three opponents.

At least, in my head thats the case.   ;D
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Chipaccrual on April 26, 2010, 12:26:33 PM
Out of curiosity, what"s the odds of winning preflop with the aces ?  I thought it was about 50% when against three other hands ?    I may be totally wrong.
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: AMRN on April 26, 2010, 12:29:03 PM

Out of curiosity, what"s the odds of winning preflop with the aces ?  I thought it was about 50% when against three other hands ?    I may be totally wrong.


so you are saying you wouldn"t enter into a flip in this spot?   What about if you had QQ and knew the other guy had AK - 50% flip for a double up.... most would probably take that in a standard online tourney that soon becomes a shovefest...... so why not take a 50% flip when you have a chance to quadruple up???

In an $11 2500chip 13min blind online tourney - never ever ever ever ever ever ever folding AA preflop.
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: MintTrav on April 26, 2010, 12:36:56 PM

Fullhouse beats fullhouse beats a set beats pocket aces.


An outrageous misrepresentation of the facts. Tony had two pair.
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Chipaccrual on April 26, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
I"ll go back to the admin stuff and leave these strategy threads to the experts.   ;D


Oh, and if it was a level, I"d have said something along the lines of :-

"Gutted Tony, I bet that made you want to throw your APAT Stud bronze medal out of the nearest window......."

;D
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: LongshanksED on April 26, 2010, 12:52:08 PM
Without using a stove or odds calculator, I heard that aces in a 3 way pot, pre flop is about 50% to win

once it goes 4 handed  then your down to around 40%

but it you think that"s bad then check this thread I posted a year ago

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3539.0
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: cincicrappykid on April 26, 2010, 15:16:56 PM
slight adjustment due to not knowing suits exactly but
:as: ac   57.40%
ah js      4.73%
7d 7c     17.96%
kh kd     18.78%
so an easy fold eh mr wiltshire lol and yes if i had my bronze and gold medal i would have thrown them down someones throat all below ave stack apart frm kk who went on to finish  5th i believe so at least he used the chips well  :"(


Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Chipaccrual on April 26, 2010, 16:39:45 PM
I"m calling then.

Very unlucky Tony.
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: WYoung83 on April 26, 2010, 17:43:37 PM
 AJ had trips. Not a set, massive difference. Sorry to nit pick. dont think he could fold aces here imo. Unless its like in final table sat with several seats up for grabs for instance.
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: cincicrappykid on April 26, 2010, 21:42:18 PM

AJ had trips. Not a set, massive difference. Sorry to nit pick. dont think he could fold aces here imo. Unless its like in final table sat with several seats up for grabs for instance.

lol dont see ur point mr will but hey ho
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: WYoung83 on April 26, 2010, 22:52:41 PM
Point is, im not tight enough to fold aces before the flop.
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: deanp27 on April 27, 2010, 12:18:11 PM
lol nice rubdown by ChipAccrual re folding aces pre
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Luke1 on April 27, 2010, 14:05:11 PM
Not often I post hands on here, but what are the chances of this happening?!

Up to around 8k on Sunday in the league match. Going quite well and feeling quite confident.

I get dealt AA (only hand I play), Middle stack (6K )gets dealt AK and the villain with the short stack (3.5k). All the chips go in preflop. Villain who is on my right hand side hits trip queens on the turn. I lose and pick up the side pot.

The very next hand, I get 10s. The villain then raises. I shove for my remaining 5k. He calls and shows pocket 9"s. Obviously 9 is the first card out and the rest is history!

I can take an overpair losing all day long. But to lose two overpairs to underpairs two hands in a row, to the same person really just takes the biscuit!

And then to top it off, Palace couldnt sneak that vital win last night. Going to be a nerve wracking day up in Sheffield!
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: deanp27 on April 27, 2010, 14:40:36 PM


AJ had trips. Not a set, massive difference. Sorry to nit pick. dont think he could fold aces here imo. Unless its like in final table sat with several seats up for grabs for instance.

lol dont see ur point mr will but hey ho


think he is pointing out the difference between a set and trips. AJ made trips, Kings and 7s made sets.

Just a technicality but you need a pocket pair to make a set
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: cincicrappykid on April 28, 2010, 09:43:22 AM



AJ had trips. Not a set, massive difference. Sorry to nit pick. dont think he could fold aces here imo. Unless its like in final table sat with several seats up for grabs for instance.

lol dont see ur point mr will but hey ho


think he is pointing out the difference between a set and trips. AJ made trips, Kings and 7s made sets.

Just a technicality but you need a pocket pair to make a set
i understand what he is saying i just dont see the point of him actually saying it
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Swinebag on April 28, 2010, 15:33:49 PM

I just dont see the point of him actually saying it


could say the same about the OP ;D ;)
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Perrygarl on April 29, 2010, 16:17:23 PM
There is a passage in "Poker Winners are Different" by Alan N. Schoonmaker, PH.D. about AA pre-flop. Theoretically, you want as many opponents to call pre-flop your all-in, as this gives you the best long-term results. While your equity within the pot is significantly smaller against four opponents than one, the amount you stand to win on average against the four will be significantly more.

However, there are those super-special cases. Like when players consider folding the nuts, because if a player is knocked out a table is broken and they face tougher competition, whereas keeping the soft table together is likely to give him more than what he wins there and then.

.....Poker is a funny game. ;D
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Paulie_D on April 29, 2010, 16:50:21 PM


.....Poker is a funny game. ;D



It is the way Cincy plays it!  ::)
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: cincicrappykid on April 29, 2010, 18:49:26 PM
please read my book OUT in all good bookstores SOON

HOW I WON A BRONZE MEDAL IN STUD, WON THE LEAGUE AND GOLD MEDAL, OWNED BCPC SEASON 1 AND HEADS UP CHAMPIONSHIP AND AND LOST WITH MANY HANDS WHEN 90% + AHEAD ..ITS A CRACKER
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: Paulie_D on April 29, 2010, 19:00:24 PM

please read my book OUT in all good bookstores SOON

HOW I WON A BRONZE MEDAL IN STUD, WON THE LEAGUE AND GOLD MEDAL, OWNED BCPC SEASON 1 AND HEADS UP CHAMPIONSHIP AND AND LOST WITH MANY HANDS WHEN 90% + AHEAD ..ITS A CRACKER


I"d like to make an offer for the movie rights.....50p about right? ;)
Title: Re: SET OVER SET OVER SET AA COMES LAST
Post by: WYoung83 on April 29, 2010, 19:33:13 PM
lol, tony. phil Ivey had better watch out. ;)