Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: ThinkerJE on July 17, 2010, 12:13:41 PM
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Here is the setup;
Just opened a $0.50/$1.00, 40-100bb cash table on Pokerstars and bought in for $100. No information on any of the players and this happens on hand 3.
UTG raises to $2.50 and I find KK in mid position. I 3 bet to $6.90 and the BB flats. UTG then 4 bets to $15 total. I flat to take a flop in position. However BB is all in for $110 and UTG is all in for $190!!!
$85 back and I tank. What do you do?
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Fold
Pretty sure that UTG has Aces here. BB probably has AK.
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Call.
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You don"t know the history between these two, for all you know they have been going at each other light.
I hate it but with a chance to triple up and cash out with the (current) second nuts I call and if one of them has AA then so be it.
For what it"s worth, I would have 5-bet/shoved it. The money is going in anyway might as well see if there is any fold equity out there.
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Pre I"m probably making $8. Your raise is pretty much a little more than a min raise
When UTG re raises I"m jamming it all in. I"d imagine the BB has a big hand or is set mining. Chances are with one raising Oop and the other flatting I reckon I have the best hand and probably up against 2 pocket pairs or one pair and an AK/AQ type hand neither and If I put one on Ax then the chances of AA being held by the other is unlikely
Although I don"t hate the flat in position, I"m always re raising all in. BB probably had ak and your flat looks a bit weaker and he figures his squeeze with AK is at worst 50/50
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meh without reads i"d call
edit: also depends whether this is fullring or 6max = 6 max i"d get it in and not worry about it too much
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meh without reads i"d call
edit: also depends whether this is fullring or 6max = 6 max i"d get it in and not worry about it too much
full ring game
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Call - but that"s just me :o
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Its a high variance spot this. with $215 in the middle and $85 to call you need >29% equity to call.
Giving utg a tight range of AA,AKs,AKo and BB a wider JJ+,AKs,AKo, your KK has 35% equity and is a compulsory call.
Anyone think ranges are too wide?
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no hand history?, especially a mangled up one like this, should be posted with pride..
Is it ok to call KK after seeing a 5bet shove and a call from the 4bettor? After playing it this way then yes :)
If u have played with these villains before and they happen to be decent regs [or at least the original raiser] and your 3bet range is around 2to4 % thinker, then a decent regs 4bet range will become very narrow...
The way i see it though without any reads [again] is that when he 4bets small ish with 2 others in the pot and himself in a sandwich, then his range has to look wider than a normal tags 4bet range , so how it plays out from there and the dead money in the pot , its a call...
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Call - but that"s just me :o
No... it"s me as well. 8)
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Call - but that"s just me :o
No... it"s me as well. 8)
and me all day long
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is this a serious question? Don"t think I"m ever folding KK preflop in a cash game. Probably a leak, but there ya go.
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I must be the tightest player in APAT.....& I can"t fold. :o