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Poker Forum => World Championship of Amateur Poker (WCOAP) => Live Archive => Live Poker => WCOAP 2008 - 2012 => Topic started by: duke3016 on August 22, 2010, 17:23:52 PM
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Playing only one event (due to other commitments) severely limits my chances (if I had any in the first place) ;D
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Looks great it is what i was thinking about !!
Any points for teams event?:)
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Looks great it is what i was thinking about !!
Any points for teams event?:)
The team event and Pro League event are excluded from the "Player of the Championships".
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The player who finishes top of the "Player of the Championships" rankings will receive entry into the upcoming WSOPE Event 3 (Worth £1075), courtesy of Betfair Poker. :o
Talk about added value, excellent stuff guys! :)
See you there.............
Ian
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Playing only one event (due to other commitments) severely limits my chances (if I had any in the first place) ;D
At least that means you"ve got a good excuse for not being a contender
I"ll put the :-[ here in anticipation of my final lack of points
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Very, very nice! Well done fellas and many thanks to Betfair.
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And if that wasn"t enough, players will also be able to get a free massage at the tables during Saturday, Sunday and Monday courtesy of Betfair Poker
Looks at though the valets have got some opposition.
I shall obviously not be taking any attention of them ( Is it possible to have skimpy tops, please)
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Playing only one event (due to other commitments) severely limits my chances (if I had any in the first place) ;D
Maybe you could get value from the free massages bud ;)
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Playing only one event (due to other commitments) severely limits my chances (if I had any in the first place) ;D
Maybe you could get value-RELIEF from the free massages bud ;)
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Quality!
Just wish it"d been done 2 years ago too! ;)
But hey, I do wear my APAT polo shirt with pride :)
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Wow excellent Betfair contribution!! Awesome added value!!
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Last year I was "Player of the Championship". All I got was this lousy t-shirt! :D
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KJLieIUxMJY/SprghxLBm-I/AAAAAAAAct0/eP-XSJHyjk4/s800/IMG_1715.JPG)
Seriously though gents, well played! That"s going to be an excellent prize for someone.
P.S. I keep the t-shirt nice and safe, I"ve never even worn it!
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Last year I was "Player of the Championship". All I got was this lousy t-shirt! :D
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KJLieIUxMJY/SprghxLBm-I/AAAAAAAAct0/eP-XSJHyjk4/s800/IMG_1715.JPG)
Seriously though gents, well played! That"s going to be an excellent prize for someone.
P.S. I keep the t-shirt nice and safe, I"ve never even worn it!
;D
An obvious gag....... but genius nonetheless
NH
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Last year I was "Player of the Championship". All I got was this lousy t-shirt! :D
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KJLieIUxMJY/SprghxLBm-I/AAAAAAAAct0/eP-XSJHyjk4/s800/IMG_1715.JPG)
Seriously though gents, well played! That"s going to be an excellent prize for someone.
P.S. I keep the t-shirt nice and safe, I"ve never even worn it!
You told me you were going to lose some weight, so you could get it on this year
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Team event seat available for exchange, so I can play the Heads-Up & Stud.
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Team event seat available for exchange, so I can play the Heads-Up & Stud.
LOL, not so patriotic now! ;)
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Team event seat available for exchange, so I can play the Heads-Up & Stud.
You have a good point there... Those that are playing in like 4 or 5 events stand a much better chance of winning, just because of numbers... Maybe it is a better idea to have best 3 scores? Maybe the main event should be double points as there are many many more runners than the likes of stud but the winner still gets same points..?
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No system is perfect, and of course news of this generous offer came thorugh late in the day
The aim is to ensure that the main event winner (already to receive a GUKPT Grand final seat and £9k!) is not an automatic thing for player of the series, so we wouldn"t be increasing points in the main event.
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No system is perfect, and of course news of this generous offer came thorugh late in the day
The aim is to ensure that the main event winner (already to receive a GUKPT Grand final seat and £9k!) is not an automatic thing for player of the series, so we wouldn"t be increasing points in the main event.
What about best 3 (or whatever) scores?
It is certainly impossible for the team games player to score points in 2 of the events, because they are playing at the same times as them.
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Understood, and its a fair point
I will consult the Oracle of the scoring spreadsheet and discuss
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No system is perfect, and of course news of this generous offer came thorugh late in the day
The aim is to ensure that the main event winner (already to receive a GUKPT Grand final seat and £9k!) is not an automatic thing for player of the series, so we wouldn"t be increasing points in the main event.
What about best 3 (or whatever) scores?
It is certainly impossible for the team games player to score points in 2 of the events, because they are playing at the same times as them.
It"s a good point, but if you only have best 3 scores there is a much higher chance of a tie
Maybe something like 3 best scores, and add overall score as an additional tie breaker? - still slightly disadvantaging the team players but only if they tie for the lead and all the other tiebreakers are also equal.
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If you were unfortunate to not get selected to represent your country in the team event, then you have the potential to final table 4 of the 6 events available. (5 if you choose not to play the main event)
The reality of this is that the winner of this award will collect points in two events, maybe three, so there is no real need to put a cap on the number of events they can collect points.
If a player managed to collect points in four or five events, then in my opinion, doesn"t that mean they deserve to be awarded "Player of the Championships" ?
Yes, it does benefit those players that are playing more events than others, but as Tighty has mentioned, if it was just awarded to the winner of the main event, it would surely be a bit pointless. Of course, if the winner of the main event, also final tables a side event or two, then they deserve the award.
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I think you are doing a disservice to the eventual winner of the main event.
Heads up - 32 player
Stud - 48 player
Omaha - 81 player
Six Max - 72 Player
Horse - 48 Player
M.E. - 414 player
I know the main event winner gets 9k and a gukpt GF seat (deservedly) but in my humble opinion, the winner of the ME 414 runner game deserves MUCH MUCH more kudos and rewards than someone who gets 5th place (or so) twice in a couple of much smaller events. It is the pinnacle tournament of the 5 days..!! Doesn"t the winner deserve higher recognition in points scoring than someone who beats 5 people at heads up?
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Winning 1 tournament should not make you player of the Championships - it makes u player of the tournament. The way it has been set out is definately the fairest way, and it pains me to say it as I cnt play some events due to being in Team event. Excellent prize, and great motivation for someone to try and crush ALL the tournaments.
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Winning 1 tournament should not make you player of the Championships - it makes u player of the tournament. The way it has been set out is definately the fairest way,
Excellent prize, and great motivation for someone to try and crush ALL the tournaments.
DITTO!!!
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Winning 1 tournament should not make you player of the Championships - it makes u player of the tournament. The way it has been set out is definately the fairest way, and it pains me to say it as I cnt play some events due to being in Team event. Excellent prize, and great motivation for someone to try and crush ALL the tournaments.
^^^^^^^^ THIS, exactly this.
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Winning 1 tournament should not make you player of the Championships - it makes u player of the tournament. The way it has been set out is definately the fairest way, and it pains me to say it as I cnt play some events due to being in Team event. Excellent prize, and great motivation for someone to try and crush ALL the tournaments.
^^^^^^^^ THIS, exactly this.
Yes this, the main event getting a higher weighting than the other tournaments was what I was worried about before the details were announced.
The way it"s done rewards consistency rather than one big win, which is how it should be
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Excellent value added again! Nice job!
I agree that the points are allocated as they should be (i.e not weighted for any 1 event)
To resolve the disadvantage for those playing team event why not use the individual player points of the event to give ranking points?
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Winning 1 tournament should not make you player of the Championships - it makes u player of the tournament. The way it has been set out is definately the fairest way, and it pains me to say it as I cnt play some events due to being in Team event. Excellent prize, and great motivation for someone to try and crush ALL the tournaments.
Agree this ^^^^^^^
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Winning 1 tournament should not make you player of the Championships - it makes u player of the tournament. The way it has been set out is definately the fairest way, and it pains me to say it as I cnt play some events due to being in Team event. Excellent prize, and great motivation for someone to try and crush ALL the tournaments.
Yip completely agree as well
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Winning 1 tournament should not make you player of the Championships - it makes u player of the tournament. The way it has been set out is definately the fairest way, and it pains me to say it as I cnt play some events due to being in Team event. Excellent prize, and great motivation for someone to try and crush ALL the tournaments.
Yip completely agree as well
+1
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Only just spotted this. Terrific added value. Wish I"d entered more now!
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Great to see more added value .. WP Betfair and APAT !! points system looks fine to me .. See you"s at the weekend ;)
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However the points are scored, whatever the advantages players have who are lucky enough to be playing in 3 or more of the events may have over the rest, the fact that we are even having a discussion about this is all down to the fact that Betfair have provided such a fabulous prize should be the main topic of conversation.
Credit where it is due......WELL DONE BETFAIR !!
P.S.....Any odds for the M/E ??
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However the points are scored, whatever the advantages players have who are lucky enough to be playing in 3 or more of the events may have over the rest, the fact that we are even having a discussion about this is all down to the fact that Betfair have provided such a fabulous prize should be the main topic of conversation.
Credit where it is due......WELL DONE BETFAIR !!
P.S.....Any odds for the M/E ??
Gotta back Brian up here, I also feel like having a moan, as would love to be in with a good chance of this, but an also honoured @ playing for team Cymru. Either way, this is once again fantastic added value for everyone playing and my hat goes out to APAT and Betfair for what will only increase the already fierce competition to get into these sought after events.
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Can I make a suggestion......
Whilst We are all proud to be representing our countries it does not seem fair that those playing in the team event are disadvantaged in the POTC race.
- Most of us have had to
- withdraw from at least 1 event
This is not a freebie tournament it is actually quite expensive
- It is arguable that the field is a pretty tough 1 meaning points are earnt in the hardest of ways
- those participating in the team event are amongst the group that are here for the duration, therby giving APAT the fullest support
The field size for the team event is 48 which is similar to or larger than side events such as the stud or HE.
I would suggest that the overall top scorers over the team event are awarded ponts in line with the side events, this could be done for each day or for the whole event. Lets face it each player will have to play at leastsix events each over 2 days
What say you APAT?
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Can I make a suggestion......
Whilst We are all proud to be representing our countries it does not seem fair that those playing in the team event are disadvantaged in the POTC race.
- Most of us have had to
- withdraw from at least 1 event
This is not a freebie tournament it is actually quite expensive
- It is arguable that the field is a pretty tough 1 meaning points are earnt in the hardest of ways
- those participating in the team event are amongst the group that are here for the duration, therby giving APAT the fullest support
The field size for the team event is 48 which is similar to or larger than side events such as the stud or HE.
I would suggest that the overall top scorers over the team event are awarded ponts in line with the side events, this could be done for each day or for the whole event. Lets face it each player will have to play at leastsix events each over 2 days
What say you APAT?
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If you"re wondering what the noise is ? I"m thinking ;)
Damn you Rudders, you may force us into another APAT conference call. ;D
We"ll get back to you.
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TY TY TY
All we crave is your attention, consideration and of course your collective Wisdom!
P S apologies for lateness of post- been a mad week or so.
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Can I make a suggestion......
Whilst We are all proud to be representing our countries it does not seem fair that those playing in the team event are disadvantaged in the POTC race.
- Most of us have had to
- withdraw from at least 1 event
This is not a freebie tournament it is actually quite expensive
- It is arguable that the field is a pretty tough 1 meaning points are earnt in the hardest of ways
- those participating in the team event are amongst the group that are here for the duration, therby giving APAT the fullest support
The field size for the team event is 48 which is similar to or larger than side events such as the stud or HE.
I would suggest that the overall top scorers over the team event are awarded ponts in line with the side events, this could be done for each day or for the whole event. Lets face it each player will have to play at leastsix events each over 2 days
What say you APAT?
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+1
Exactly what I said on the previous page, only using a lot more words ;D
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Can I make a suggestion......
Whilst We are all proud to be representing our countries it does not seem fair that those playing in the team event are disadvantaged in the POTC race.
- Most of us have had to
- withdraw from at least 1 event
This is not a freebie tournament it is actually quite expensive
- It is arguable that the field is a pretty tough 1 meaning points are earnt in the hardest of ways
- those participating in the team event are amongst the group that are here for the duration, therby giving APAT the fullest support
The field size for the team event is 48 which is similar to or larger than side events such as the stud or HE.
I would suggest that the overall top scorers over the team event are awarded ponts in line with the side events, this could be done for each day or for the whole event. Lets face it each player will have to play at leastsix events each over 2 days
What say you APAT?
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If you"re wondering what the noise is ? I"m thinking ;)
Damn you Rudders, you may force us into another APAT conference call. ;D
We"ll get back to you.
I still stand by my previous post stating what a good job has done by all, but i"m a huge fan of rudders suggestion here, I"m sure the team event will be fiercely fought between 48 players, all of which are forced to miss the events of the first 2 days.To be at a disadvantage for playing such a prestigious event does suck a little and the added value on offer is something im sure every player would love a chance at.
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Can I make a suggestion......
Whilst We are all proud to be representing our countries it does not seem fair that those playing in the team event are disadvantaged in the POTC race.
- Most of us have had to
- withdraw from at least 1 event
This is not a freebie tournament it is actually quite expensive
- It is arguable that the field is a pretty tough 1 meaning points are earnt in the hardest of ways
- those participating in the team event are amongst the group that are here for the duration, therby giving APAT the fullest support
The field size for the team event is 48 which is similar to or larger than side events such as the stud or HE.
I would suggest that the overall top scorers over the team event are awarded ponts in line with the side events, this could be done for each day or for the whole event. Lets face it each player will have to play at leastsix events each over 2 days
What say you APAT?
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If you"re wondering what the noise is ? I"m thinking ;)
Damn you Rudders, you may force us into another APAT conference call. ;D
We"ll get back to you.
I still stand by my previous post stating what a good job has done by all, but i"m a huge fan of rudders suggestion here, I"m sure the team event will be fiercely fought between 48 players, all of which are forced to miss the events of the first 2 days.To be at a disadvantage for playing such a prestigious event does suck a little and the added value on offer is something im sure every player would love a chance at.
^^^ This (and that, and the bit before it).
Think Rudders has it spot on.
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Think Rudders has it spot on.
+1
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After a bit of deep discussion and thought, the scoring will remain as first announced.
The Team Championships, and Pro League for that matter, are considered separate events to the rest of the WCOAP schedule and therefore will not be included in any "Player of the Championships" rankings.
It would not be right to potentially change the dynamics of the team event by including an element of individual reward in the form of POTC ranking points.
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Won"t the team event mostly be made up of individuals doing as well as they can in each match? Not sure I understand the changing dynamics point. ???
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Won"t the team event mostly be made up of individuals doing as well as they can in each match? Not sure I understand the changing dynamics point. ???
Agree - not quite sure what the dynamics are that would change. Each STT and each HU is about winning - the team dynamic doesn"t have a bearing, particularly given as no two players from the same team can ever be pitted against each other on the same table.
That said, I"m sure Leigh, Des and Rich have given due consideration - end of. To be honest, whilst being disappointed that my chances at POTC are somewhat reduced, I"m made up to be in the team event, and to me that carries far more weight.
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After a bit of deep discussion and thought, the scoring will remain as first announced.
The Team Championships, and Pro League for that matter, are considered separate events to the rest of the WCOAP schedule and therefore will not be included in any "Player of the Championships" rankings.
It would not be right to potentially change the dynamics of the team event by including an element of individual reward in the form of POTC ranking points.
I will always accept the decisions made.
I do however find it difficult to accept that these competitions being considered as separate events when
a) they run at the same time , in the same location
b) they are included in the same APAT World Championship Of Amateur Poker forum
I for one want to play for the team and potc would not affect my play especially as it is the first event I would be playing- later events may be affected if I have run well.
Come on guys "fairs fair"
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Not arriving until Saturday night so have no bearing on this discussion - however just wanted to boost my post count
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Not read most of this thread so excuse me if I"m barking up the wrong tree, but surely the team event can"t be included in the POTC standings as it"s not open to everyone. Also there"s no Mexican team, so it"s nonsense anyway.
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Not disagreeing but stud and hu r no open to every either due to the team event running. More than happy either way. Just eager to get started now :)
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FWIW the honour of playing for your national side should far out way any personal gain, so just think yourself fortunate you have been selected to play for your country, many of us are sat at work extremely envious of you lucky few! Incidently it would be interesting to see how many would have put their names forward to represent their country if this prize had been announced prior to the selection process. Just playing devils advocate.
Well done APAT and well done Betfair.
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FWIW the honour of playing for your national side should far out way any personal gain, so just think yourself fortunate you have been selected to play for your country, many of us are sat at work extremely envious of you lucky few! Incidently it would be interesting to see how many would have put their names forward to represent their country if this prize had been announced prior to the selection process. Just playing devils advocate.
Well done APAT and well done Betfair.
+1
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FWIW the honour of playing for your national side should far out way any personal gain, so just think yourself fortunate you have been selected to play for your country, many of us are sat at work extremely envious of you lucky few! Incidently it would be interesting to see how many would have put their names forward to represent their country if this prize had been announced prior to the selection process. Just playing devils advocate.
Well done APAT and well done Betfair.
+2 PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME ..... I wanna play for England again ;D
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just play the evets you are entered into to the best of your ability and if you win something at the end of it is a bonus.
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Think Warbwastad has it right - giving points for the team event means the potential winning of points is determined by the captain"s selections, which isn"t a fair way for someone to win POTC.
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Which completely ignores the fact that we can"t gain points in the HU or the Stud because we"re in the team event.
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Substitutes are allowed in the team event...please pick me/don"t sub me coz I"m trying to win the POC LOL
APAT have got this one right IMO. If there"s enough feeling about it then run the team event seperately next year.
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Honestly can"t believe people who have had the good fortune and honour to be selected for their Country are bleating!!