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Title: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: mrmacacan on September 09, 2010, 10:05:13 AM
OK, help required here, a question that I am getting conflicting views on.


What does the term 3 bet and 4 bet actually mean in no limit hold"em.

I know the term comes from limit or pot limit, does it mean the same
or something different when it is used in no limit.

The answers that I am getting are about 50/50, so APAT will have thew casting vote, ;D

I was going to put the 2 conflicting answers on here but that might influence you.

Any help will do,

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Title: Re: Help required !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: AMRN on September 09, 2010, 10:09:14 AM
the BB is Bet1, the first person to raise the BB is making Bet2, if some then re-raises that is Bet3, etc etc
Title: Re: Help required !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: AceOnTheRiver on September 09, 2010, 11:09:55 AM

the BB is Bet1, the first person to raise the BB is making Bet2, if some then re-raises that is Bet3, etc etc


I concur
Title: Re: Help required !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Paulie_D on September 09, 2010, 11:22:08 AM
Yes, the two above answers are correct.

The description, I believe, comes from Limit Poker where they is usually a cap on the number of raising bets per round. The standard cap is a bet and 3 raises.

So...BB = 1 bet
1st raise = 2 bet
2nd raise = 3 bet
3rd raise = 4 bet = Cap. From here you can only call.

NLHE seems to interpret this as...3bet = a re-raise and 4bet as re-re-raise.
Title: Re: Help required !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: SirPercival on September 09, 2010, 11:58:36 AM
I agree with the above.

What is this other conflicting view you speak of?
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: bigalhx3 on September 09, 2010, 17:06:32 PM
i have just had a look at this because i saw SirPerceval had a view on 3 betting and thought it would be interesting as he has never done it  ;)
Title: Re: Help required !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Swinebag on September 09, 2010, 19:55:16 PM
I agree with everyone else

put up the other opinion of what 3 betting is so we can have a laugh
Title: Re: Help required !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: duke3016 on September 09, 2010, 20:27:55 PM

I agree with everyone else

put up the other opinion of what 3 betting is so we can have a laugh


Simple - 2bet and above only happen on my BB - sooo 2 bet and above is shaft the Duke  :o no need for fancy numbers
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Marty719 on September 09, 2010, 20:37:31 PM
Im assuming someone thought a 3bet pre was a 4bet.  Pretty common mistake.  I for one do not exercise either.
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: AJDUK on September 09, 2010, 20:45:32 PM
I"ve heard people call a reraise a 2 bet and a re-reraise a 3 bet.
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: mrmacacan on September 10, 2010, 06:25:04 AM
Blieve it or not, a lot of players thought a 3 bet was a bet of 3 times the last bet.

this is 1 quote:

now for example blinds are 100/200, someone opens for 500 total (a raise of 300 and a 2.5 bet) a 3 bet in this situation would be 3 x the raise portion of the previous raise so 3x300+200=1,100 total.  A lot of people think a 3 bet or a 4 bet are just 3x/4x the total bet being faced, so in the example above a lot of people think a 3 bet on the 500 total is 1,500.

A 3 bet is made on the previous bet or raise (not total where multiple action has occurred) (the same way a raise must the size of the previous bet or raise (eg 100/200 raise to 500, next raise can be a minimum of 300 more to 800 total)


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Title: Re: Help required !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: bigalhx3 on September 10, 2010, 07:37:21 AM


I agree with everyone else

put up the other opinion of what 3 betting is so we can have a laugh


Simple - 2bet and above only happen on my BB - sooo 2 bet and above is shaft the Duke  :o no need for fancy numbers


your bb is called free bet
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: SirPercival on September 10, 2010, 09:16:07 AM

Blieve it or not, a lot of players thought a 3 bet was a bet of 3 times the last bet.

this is 1 quote:

now for example blinds are 100/200, someone opens for 500 total (a raise of 300 and a 2.5 bet) a 3 bet in this situation would be 3 x the raise portion of the previous raise so 3x300+200=1,100 total.  A lot of people think a 3 bet or a 4 bet are just 3x/4x the total bet being faced, so in the example above a lot of people think a 3 bet on the 500 total is 1,500.

A 3 bet is made on the previous bet or raise (not total where multiple action has occurred) (the same way a raise must the size of the previous bet or raise (eg 100/200 raise to 500, next raise can be a minimum of 300 more to 800 total)


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Can you tell us where these people play please  ;D
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: cincicrappykid on September 10, 2010, 11:33:42 AM
in general i think the 5 to 6 bet is more usefull
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Paulie_D on September 10, 2010, 11:37:50 AM

in general i think the 5 to 6 bet is more usefull

A position shove is more useful



FYP
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Paulie_D on September 10, 2010, 11:43:03 AM


Can you tell us where these people play please  ;D



Just because they get the terminology wrong doesn"t make them bad players....it"s likely..but not guaranteed.  ;D
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: TightEnd on September 10, 2010, 11:57:16 AM
I like to back-raise.

None of this 3-betting malarkey.
Title: Re: Help required !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: AceOnTheRiver on September 10, 2010, 15:32:54 PM


I agree with everyone else

put up the other opinion of what 3 betting is so we can have a laugh


Simple - 2bet and above only happen on my BB - sooo 2 bet and above is shaft the Duke  :o no need for fancy numbers


Personally, I would never dream of targetting the duke"s BB  ::)
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Pears27 on September 10, 2010, 17:23:14 PM
Since this is an "embarrassing question" thread, I"ll ask one of my own.

What does FYP mean?
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Marty719 on September 10, 2010, 17:26:36 PM

Since this is an "embarrassing questions" thread, I"ll ask one of my own.

What does FYP mean?


FYP
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Paulie_D on September 10, 2010, 17:59:55 PM

Since this is an "embarrassing question" thread, I"ll ask one of my own.

What does FYP mean?


Accronym for Fixed Your Post.

Used when quoting someone in a newsgroup or onine forum and then add a few key words here and there to change the meaning of the original post.
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Pears27 on September 10, 2010, 18:37:45 PM
Wow, I wasn"t expecting a straight answer til about 4 pages later.

tyvm
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: noble1 on September 10, 2010, 22:25:56 PM
also post flop u hear the 2bet 3bet terms etc , on the flop u can get 1bet then a reraise is a 2bet, the 3bet is a re-re raise..
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Pears27 on September 10, 2010, 22:46:37 PM
Isn"t there one too many re-s in there? Isn"t a 2-bet post-flop just a raise?
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: kinboshi on September 11, 2010, 01:50:27 AM

I like to back-raise.

None of this 3-betting malarkey.


I love a good back-raise.
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Cyntaf on September 11, 2010, 14:14:31 PM
3-bet? Does it go check. check?

Oh that"s a free bet! ;D

Backraise, is this some form of booster seat??
Title: Re: Help required! - What does 3-Bet mean?
Post by: Laxie on September 11, 2010, 14:38:50 PM
The back raise is reserved for older folk and bald people.  Proceed with caution.