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Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: Chipaccrual on March 01, 2011, 22:11:44 PM
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We"re 5 handed in a satellite for a live event. (Buyin $40)
Payout is 1st & 2nd = $250 seat, 3rd = $100, 4th = $60, 5th = $40
X - 7,000
Y - 7,000
Z - 7,000
SB - 16,500
BB - 15,800
Blinds are 200/400/50
Play folds round to you in SB and you are holding ac kd
You raise it to 1050
BB goes allin for 15,800
Limited reads on BB. Has been in top two of chips since final table began, played minimal hands to showdown. (If that means anything)
What do you do ?
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FOLD
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I"d like to think i"m snapping here.
But easier posting it than actually doing it. Thinking being, your playing for the live seat, this would as good as give it to you. AK heads up, never a bad thing either. range could be pretty wide in this position...
if your wrong or miss hasn"t cost you anything - PTW, FTW
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I would fold, it"s ok to raise with this hand but not calling the only player on table who could wipe you out with 4 7 off more or less.
Seats too close!!
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Easy fold. If we"re in the BB and the SB raises, AK would be a great hand to shove with... but never ever calling off for my stack in this spot with AK.
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it is a tough spot, you still have to work for the seat. I think I would be inclined to call here, probably be racing.
The thought here is what is he getting it in with, he is only shipping the top of his range in reality. Im inclined to put him on QQ, JJ and maybe 1010 as he ships straight.
As I said tough spot, I would see how I felt at the time.
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maybe I"ve alot to learn then (well no maybe about it really)
would we be folding just about everything then, other than absolute premium?
Because assuming X, Y or Z double one another up, then its 3 very similar stacks, and only 1 short for the 2 seats..if current BB takes 1 out, then your playing for just one seat effectively
If we win the hand the seat is as good as ours -No?
BB surely pushing you around, and protecting his 400, while taking a stab at the 850 pot, and no room for re-raising.
If we fold...at some point we"ll be calling an all in of around 6-7k from X,Y or Z to keep above water anyway?
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You will probably not believe this ::)
I would fold
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Interesting spot here Leigh.
Just wish i hadn"t been watching........ ;)
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Interesting spot here Leigh.
Just wish i hadn"t been watching........ ;)
I knew it wouldn"t be long before someone came along who was there. ;D
Anyone else offering up justification for calling with the AK ?
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Anyone else offering up justification for calling with the AK ?
nope 8)
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Anyone else offering up justification for calling with the AK ?
nope 8)
Sorry - limited reads, 40 bigs, sat, race, out if binked (basically), better spots, you"re calling, you could be ahead of another high Ace, maybe not, but what the feck lets party.
I am prepared to be battered by better people than myself.
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it is a tough spot, you still have to work for the seat. I think I would be inclined to call here, probably be racing.
The thought here is what is he getting it in with, he is only shipping the top of his range in reality. Im inclined to put him on QQ, JJ and maybe 1010 as he ships straight.
As I said tough spot, I would see how I felt at the time.
but you have to hit to win the hand - without other reads on the guy, I would only ever call with QQ+ in this spot. Happy to shove a very wide range, but hate calling when probably need to hit to win the hand.
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I would only ever call with QQ+ in this spot. Happy to shove a very wide range, but hate calling when probably need to hit to win the hand.
Noted, thanks Steve.
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it is a tough spot, you still have to work for the seat. I think I would be inclined to call here, probably be racing.
The thought here is what is he getting it in with, he is only shipping the top of his range in reality. Im inclined to put him on QQ, JJ and maybe 1010 as he ships straight.
As I said tough spot, I would see how I felt at the time.
but you have to hit to win the hand - without other reads on the guy, I would only ever call with QQ+ in this spot. Happy to shove a very wide range, but hate calling when probably need to hit to win the hand.
hmm, not sure I agree entirely, you are not folding to a seat, there is still a lot to do and at some point you will prob need to take a race. At this point I may fold, but again it is about how I felt. At this stage Leigh is already freerolling, at what point do you take the risk to go for the win? A shove doesn"t feel strong here, why shove for 40+ BB with AA or KK? but then again why not?
I dont think there is a wrong way to play this.
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I dont think there is a wrong way to play this.
Every hands a winner and Every hands a loser - shyte back in Kenny Rogers mode
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We"re 5 handed in a satellite for a live event. (Buyin $40)
Payout is 1st & 2nd = $250 seat, 3rd = $100, 4th = $60, 5th = $40
X - 7,000
Y - 7,000
Z - 7,000
SB - 16,500
BB - 15,800
Blinds are 200/400/50
Play folds round to you in SB and you are holding ac kd
You raise it to 1050
BB goes allin for 15,800
Limited reads on BB. Has been in top two of chips since final table began, played minimal hands to showdown. (If that means anything)
What do you do ?
assuming the above chip stacks are a tad out there is approx 53000 chips left, 2 target main prizes, divide by 2, so around 26000 will pretty much lock up a seat.... it doesn"t always quite work like that lol as 1 stack can be skewed bigger blah blah..
so if u take out a 7000 stack your odds of finishing top 2 would be pretty good imho... on the flipside if u call now u will lose at best 35 to 40% of the time, question atm did u have a 60% chance of winning if u fold?... hmmmm the maths are to complex for heat of the moment, so i fold..... :)
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Fold.
Against a generous range of 22+,AJs+,AJo+ your AK has 50%. I suspect based on your read that villain is somewhat competent and is likely to hold a tighter range though.
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it is a tough spot, you still have to work for the seat. I think I would be inclined to call here, probably be racing.
The thought here is what is he getting it in with, he is only shipping the top of his range in reality. Im inclined to put him on QQ, JJ and maybe 1010 as he ships straight.
As I said tough spot, I would see how I felt at the time.
but you have to hit to win the hand - without other reads on the guy, I would only ever call with QQ+ in this spot. Happy to shove a very wide range, but hate calling when probably need to hit to win the hand.
hmm, not sure I agree entirely, you are not folding to a seat, there is still a lot to do and at some point you will prob need to take a race. At this point I may fold, but again it is about how I felt. At this stage Leigh is already freerolling, at what point do you take the risk to go for the win? A shove doesn"t feel strong here, why shove for 40+ BB with AA or KK? but then again why not?
I dont think there is a wrong way to play this.
for me it just comes down to the difference between shoving and calling..... if we call with AK, we have to have the best hand after the river to win the hand..... when we shove, we can win by the other person folding - and that will happen a lot of time at this stage of a satellite. With the stack sizes, there is just no need to take this risk in this spot. Fold, and use our stack to abuse the others.
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it is a tough spot, you still have to work for the seat. I think I would be inclined to call here, probably be racing.
The thought here is what is he getting it in with, he is only shipping the top of his range in reality. Im inclined to put him on QQ, JJ and maybe 1010 as he ships straight.
As I said tough spot, I would see how I felt at the time.
but you have to hit to win the hand - without other reads on the guy, I would only ever call with QQ+ in this spot. Happy to shove a very wide range, but hate calling when probably need to hit to win the hand.
hmm, not sure I agree entirely, you are not folding to a seat, there is still a lot to do and at some point you will prob need to take a race. At this point I may fold, but again it is about how I felt. At this stage Leigh is already freerolling, at what point do you take the risk to go for the win? A shove doesn"t feel strong here, why shove for 40+ BB with AA or KK? but then again why not?
I dont think there is a wrong way to play this.
for me it just comes down to the difference between shoving and calling..... if we call with AK, we have to have the best hand after the river to win the hand..... when we shove, we can win by the other person folding - and that will happen a lot of time at this stage of a satellite. With the stack sizes, there is just no need to take this risk in this spot. Fold, and use our stack to abuse the others.
But with the fact that shoving is better than calling, we don"t we put the BB in that same frame of mind, with also the added information he has in the we only raised and not shoved ourselves - making his range more open to perhaps the norm in this situ.
Despite alot better players arguing against, I"m still calling as I"m still not convinced
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But with the fact that shoving is better than calling, we don"t we put the BB in that same frame of mind, with also the added information he has in the we only raised and not shoved ourselves - making his range more open to perhaps the norm in this situ.
Despite alot better players arguing against, I"m still calling as I"m still not convinced
So lets assume he has a reasonably realistic range of 88+,AJs+,AQo+ - our AKo has just under 50% equity in this spot, and given that he is the only player at the table that can bust us, we are calling for a flip for our tourney.
If this was a normal MTT, then I would agree that it could arguably be a good call - but that"s cos we would be playing for the win, and trying to gather all the chips in play. In this spot though, we don"t need to gather all the chips - in fact we are only a short way from owning half the chips in play which would be the average stack when the seats are awarded.
I really don"t understand why people think taking a completely unnecessary flip against the only player that can hurt us at this stage in a satellite would be logical play when we have such a big stack.
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It would be an easy fold if we were almost a lock for a seat but I don"t think we are. But raise folding the top of our range seems dirty to me. Bvb situations can be very specific spots dependent upon history etc but I"d so want tocall this off. What were your intentions when you raised? Were you going to raise/fold?
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I dont think there is a wrong way to play this.
Every hands a winner and Every hands a loser - shyte back in Kenny Rogers mode
sorry i cant resist it.......BUT. Whos the one sitting deside kenny? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNnrTNFWcsg&feature=related. folding all day long
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Anyone else offering up justification for calling with the AK ?
Nope, got to fold here. You"re too well stacked and in a great position at the business end of the game. Never calling a potential monster for my tournament life pre flop with Ace high.
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fold. Dont need to flip vs the other big stack.
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Anyone else offering up justification for calling with the AK ?
Nope, got to fold here. You"re too well stacked and in a great position at the business end of the game. Never calling a potential monster for my tournament life pre flop with Ace high.
this post is full of ak cliches - folding is ok here but not because Ak is merely " ace hi"
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Also when considering hand ranges for villain you need to consider that he has put in 40bb over a small open. Does villain do that with aces or kings?
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Also when considering hand ranges for villain you need to consider that he has put in 40bb over a small open. Does villain do that with aces or kings?
doubt it, but he is very likely to do it with a pocket pair..... and do we really need to flip at this stage?
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hmmm shoving 40bb"s to win 2 or 3 bb"s, wont exactly change your strategy will it... choosing the play that has the most profitable EV according to how the table is playing is the way to go imho, if villain was tight passive then raise folding is best is it not?
learning to understand the difference between chip EV and $EV is the key, but its a fairly big subject :) full of maths and instinct conjecture then on top of that u have the clumping effect, there"s more chance for the BB to have a strong hand as players fold round to him.... meh worth studying it if u were to ever end up playing really tough strong players...
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Don"t think raise/folding is necessarily bad but I guess this means we are r/f everything bar aces and kings (poss qq).
In a STD tourney I am snapping this off btw.
Also for a satellite we are already in the money and it doesn"t exactly go 0,0,0,1k etc in fact it is quite similar to a standard mtt payout structure bar top 2
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Insta-fold (well, maybe a bit of hollywood first!). ;)
Never ever calling here in a satellite sitting with 40 bbs and 3 smaller stacks at the table.
Basic satellite strategy imo. No need to battle with the other big stack and no need to be flipping or risking your whole stack with such a weak holding. At best he"s holding AQ or below and even then you"re only a 72% favourite. Even if he"s holding 7-2 os you"re only a 2-1 favourite. If he has a pair you"re flipping. None of those situations is good in a satellite for your whole stack when you"re currently in such a good position.
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I think the stacks are deep enough to fold here. Whilst the seat is far from a shoe in and you will most likely need to increase your stack at some point, it seems silly to take on the only player who could bust you. FWIW you are most likely ahead here.
It does seem strange to raise fold such a strong hand and it is probably such a weak play that it makes you think, "why bother raising into the BB in the first place".
If the stacks were shallower then I"m calling.
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http://www.pokerxfactor.com/sheets/
goto open shove and put in 3% or so for villain to call shove or reraise shove, u"ll be surprised how close it is in cEV terms [raise fold marginally best]... note if $EV then probs a clear fold...
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All interesting views guys, appreciate the responses. Let"s look at it from another angle. ;D
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We"re 5 handed in a satellite for a live event. (Buyin $40)
Payout is 1st & 2nd = $250 seat, 3rd = $100, 4th = $60, 5th = $40
X - 7,000
Y - 7,000
Z - 7,000
SB - 16,500
BB - 15,800
Blinds are 200/400/50
Play folds round to the SB who raises it to 1050
You are in the BB with ah 8h
Limited reads on SB. Has knocked out a couple of the players on the final table to build their stack.
What plays do you have here ?
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With no info I fold. No need to get involved with the only guy who has us covered.
I also fold to the shove in the initial scenario. There are often sat qualifiers to these sats and it makes them weaker in general. We can wait for a better spot.
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Sometimes peel, sometimes fold. Only in exceptional cases do I 3betsmall/fold. Obv jamming would be bad unless oppo will fold ak and jacks face up lol
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We"re 5 handed in a satellite for a live event. (Buyin $40)
Payout is 1st & 2nd = $250 seat, 3rd = $100, 4th = $60, 5th = $40
X - 7,000
Y - 7,000
Z - 7,000
SB - 16,500
BB - 15,800
Blinds are 200/400/50
Play folds round to you in SB and you are holding ac kd
You raise it to 1050
BB goes allin for 15,800
Limited reads on BB. Has been in top two of chips since final table began, played minimal hands to showdown. (If that means anything)
What do you do ?
I"m putting BB on a weak A here, possibly suited.
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Another scenario:
You are short-stacked, equal with two others, with five left in a two-seat satellite, when the two big stacks get it all-in against each other pre-flop.
Do you:
- start celebrating straight away?
or
- wait til the hand has played out in case it is a split?
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With no info I fold. No need to get involved with the only guy who has us covered.
I also fold to the shove in the initial scenario. There are often sat qualifiers to these sats and it makes them weaker in general. We can wait for a better spot.
NOW Marty19 your never folding ah 8h here never never folding to a small rase but a lot de pens on how you play the hand 1 see the flop 2 you flop the nuts and get paid .3 you allways have the opppion of folding after the flop if you dont like it .and you still have 14k be hind. jmo
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so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
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To be honest Leigh, I wouldnt of been calling my shove with K 10 and getting lucky against AJ to help you get into that position.
You know my limited hand range so was quite shocked to get the call.
So no sympathy from my end! ;)
And in answer to your question, would be a fold all day long...!
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Always good for a giggle John
I would like to point out that I mis-read the first situation and thought we were a 7k stack on the button, not reading properly ftl, still I think my arguement is valid, although in SB I jam for fun :), but your stack is big and you do not need to get tricky with the same stack size.
In the second scenario, I think I peel here, no need to get too fruity and just be a bit trappy, I do not jam in here unless I know SB has been at it a lot.
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so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
Really? Got your opponent dominated pre and you wouldn"t take it?
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so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
Really? Got your opponent dominated pre and you wouldn"t take it?
it obv doesnt matter what his actual hand was.
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so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
Really? Got your opponent dominated pre and you wouldn"t take it?
No - not in the OP example. "Dominated" just means we win 70% of the time - but it also means we lose 30% of the time...... BUT when it comes to making the call, clearly 70% is our best case scenario, with 50% being much more likely.
Normal MTT - snap call. Satellite with a big stack against the only other big stack - snap fold (perhaps even if cards are face up!!)
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ah 8h - bb can shove if he thinks sb only calls 5% of hands if his opening range is 20% and bb will get a 31% winning chance if called [in cEV land] 99+,AQs+,AQo+
check the sheets [reshoving open raiser]
as for calling , hmmm no thanks, with 3 short stacks to my left i think the better strat is applying pressure to them :)
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so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
Really? Got your opponent dominated pre and you wouldn"t take it?
No - not in the OP example. "Dominated" just means we win 70% of the time - but it also means we lose 30% of the time...... BUT when it comes to making the call, clearly 70% is our best case scenario, with 50% being much more likely.
Normal MTT - snap call. Satellite with a big stack against the only other big stack - snap fold (perhaps even if cards are face up!!)
Thought you were being sarcastic the first time Steve, but that"s just ridiculous
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To be honest Leigh, I wouldnt of been calling my shove with K 10 and getting lucky against AJ to help you get into that position.
You know my limited hand range so was quite shocked to get the call.
So no sympathy from my end! ;)
And in answer to your question, would be a fold all day long...!
I"d raised from late position, you shoved for about 3k from the small blind. I"m playing about 11k/12k if I remember correctly. I"m playing the position, but already have in my mind that if you shove, I"m calling. If I wasn"t going to call, then I wouldn"t raise. Probaby folding if one of the 7k stacks had shoved. Can"t remember exactly what the blinds were, but I think I raised it to about 600/800, so it was another 2.5k for me to call into a 4.3k pot. (I"m guessing the pot size a bit there)
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so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
Really? Got your opponent dominated pre and you wouldn"t take it?
No - not in the OP example. "Dominated" just means we win 70% of the time - but it also means we lose 30% of the time...... BUT when it comes to making the call, clearly 70% is our best case scenario, with 50% being much more likely.
Normal MTT - snap call. Satellite with a big stack against the only other big stack - snap fold (perhaps even if cards are face up!!)
Totally agree. Satellite stategy is very different to normal MTT strategy and it"s often the right thing to fold big hands, including Aces and Kings, and especially AK! It"s the biggest error people make in satellites. Had someone do it against me in a £300 DTD satellite.
About 10 players left, 2 more players to knock out for us all to get seats. Short stack shoves for 6-7bb, i shove over the top for 20 bbs with AA to isolate, player in the BB calls the shove with AK, for his whole stack (about 15 bbs). That"s a simple fold in a satellite.
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To be honest Leigh, I wouldnt of been calling my shove with K 10 and getting lucky against AJ to help you get into that position.
You know my limited hand range so was quite shocked to get the call.
So no sympathy from my end! ;)
And in answer to your question, would be a fold all day long...!
I"d raised from late position, you shoved for about 3k from the small blind. I"m playing about 11k/12k if I remember correctly. I"m playing the position, but already have in my mind that if you shove, I"m a luckbox. If I wasn"t going to call, then I wouldn"t raise. Probaby folding if one of the 7k stacks had shoved. Can"t remember exactly what the blinds were, but I think I raised it to about 600/800, so it was another 2.5k for me to call into a 4.3k pot. (I"m guessing the pot size a bit there) and i"m a fish
FYP ;)
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Is it a seat that you have the option of buying in or does it have more "value" than $250 in that it is an exclusive seat?
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Is it a seat that you have the option of buying in or does it have more "value" than $250 in that it is an exclusive seat?
It"s a ticket to an event, which you could buy into directly.
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Fold.
Against a generous range of 22+,AJs+,AJo+ your AK has 50%. I suspect based on your read that villain is somewhat competent and is likely to hold a tighter range though.
If villain is competent he"s going to be shoving a lot wider than this, personally I would be shoving close to 100% in this kind of spot as the other big stack can virtually never call.
For that reason against a good aggro villain in Leigh's spot I would either just fold the SB when it first gets to me or possibly just open shove to take the move away from the BB.
EDIT - I"m inta shoving the A8s and a hell of a lot worse in the BB spot
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ONE question.... why not just call and see the FLOP with this ah 8h
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ONE question.... why not just call and see the FLOP with this ah 8h
Why see a flop when we can pick up the ~1500 chips in the middle?
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We"re 5 handed in a satellite for a live event. (Buyin $40)
Payout is 1st & 2nd = $250 seat, 3rd = $100, 4th = $60, 5th = $40
X - 7,000
Y - 7,000
Z - 7,000
SB - 16,500
BB - 15,800
Blinds are 200/400/50
Play folds round to you in SB and you are holding ac kd
You raise it to 1050
BB goes allin for 15,800
Limited reads on BB. Has been in top two of chips since final table began, played minimal hands to showdown. (If that means anything)
What do you do ?
I"m putting BB on a weak A here, possibly suited.
That made me chuckle out loud!
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so the background to the OP is now clear. Leigh made a "good" call with the AK, and the guy hits his 30% shot, and that"s all she wrote.
......and that 30% shot is why we should be folding AK in the OP.
Steve, you"re in a different league to me with MTT and SATs and well poker in general so keen to discuss with you and learn at the same time..
Suppose we do fold the AK, and wait for a better spot with perhaps one of the shorter stacks.
It is a safe-ish assumption that at some point very soon either -
a) small stack will knock off a small stack and then you"ll have 3 large stacks, instead of just 2. and we are all the same boat.
b) We"ll look to bully the Short stack, who will themselves within a few rounds be looking to shove lightish. When they do shove, wouldn"t we find ourselves in a not to disilimar position we found ourselves in BvB - OK, maybe not with our whole stack at risk, but a 70/30 or flipping and losing would just about eliminate us anyway.
Can"t get around why we think BB is not bullying himself, knowing we can"t call because of everything everyone has said. We know that, he"ll know that...so the fact we have a genuine hand, still snapping him.
a little fishes thoughts to learn to be a shark! :)
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ONE question.... why not just call and see the FLOP with this ah 8h
Why see a flop when we can pick up the ~1500 chips in the middle?
Risk:Reward
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ONE question.... why not just call and see the FLOP with this ah 8h
Why see a flop when we can pick up the ~1500 chips in the middle?
Risk:Reward
imgoing to try and spell this.. eggsackley....risk reward ..wee can loose a 1k and still have 14k or you could win 15k and nock a player out..or you could not play cards and listen to music all day music like this. enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMz8XRGxZdY
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Interesting spot here Leigh.
Just wish i hadn"t been watching........ ;)
I knew it wouldn"t be long before someone came along who was there. ;D
Anyone else offering up justification for calling with the AK ?
call and most likely at worst 45 times u double up and pretty much lock up $250 , 55 times u lose and end up with $40.........
edit - i"d better add that even though u would have a monster stack sometimes odd things happen in poker etc etc... So lets say u then go on to win 90% of the time, that would end up being approx 40 times u end up with $250....
Question - if u fold will u have a better than 40% chance of winning one of the 2 seats?
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Interesting spot here Leigh.
Just wish i hadn"t been watching........ ;)
I knew it wouldn"t be long before someone came along who was there. ;D
Anyone else offering up justification for calling with the AK ?
call and most likely at worst 45 times u double up and pretty much lock up $250 , 55 times u lose and end up with $40.........
edit - i"d better add that even though u would have a monster stack sometimes odd things happen in poker etc etc... So lets say u then go on to win 90% of the time, that would end up being approx 40 times u end up with $250....
Question - if u fold will u have a better than 40% chance of winning one of the 2 seats?
NOBLE DARLING .NOW thats a silly question cause if you fold you cant win
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I"m pretty sure I peel with the A8s v Leigh, outplay him post flop and don"t go broke when the A lands.
Anyone else, I peel, fail to outplay them postflop and go broke when the A lands ;D ;D ;D
But seriously, I think shoving is the best play here. SB can only really call with AA and KK and may even fold QQ (I wouldn"t though)
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We"re 5 handed in a satellite for a live event. (Buyin $40)
Payout is 1st & 2nd = $250 seat, 3rd = $100, 4th = $60, 5th = $40
X - 7,000
Y - 7,000
Z - 7,000
SB - 16,500
BB - 15,800
Blinds are 200/400/50
Play folds round to the SB who raises it to 1050
You are in the BB with ah 8h
Limited reads on SB. Has knocked out a couple of the players on the final table to build their stack.
What plays do you have here ?
I"m pretty sure I peel with the A8s v Leigh, outplay him post flop and don"t go broke when the A lands.
Anyone else, I peel, fail to outplay them postflop and go broke when the A lands ;D ;D ;D
But seriously, I think shoving is the best play here. SB can only really call with AA and KK and may even fold QQ (I wouldn"t though)
hmmm it seems odd to me shoving around 40bb"s in this spot with limited reads, especially since they have been on your right throughout the final table, add to that u"ve seen 2 showdowns... :)
it all ends up as - (http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5248/1275607041423.jpg)
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I"m pretty sure I peel with the A8s v Leigh, outplay him post flop and don"t go broke when the A lands.
Anyone else, I peel, fail to outplay them postflop and go broke when the A lands ;D ;D ;D
But seriously, I think shoving is the best play here. SB can only really call with AA and KK and may even fold QQ (I wouldn"t though)
I"d probably minraise vs you with the intention of snapping off a shove. Seriously Tbh folding might be better than r/f against someone who is going to do this in the bb
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We"re 5 handed in a satellite for a live event. (Buyin $40)
Payout is 1st & 2nd = $250 seat, 3rd = $100, 4th = $60, 5th = $40
X - 7,000
Y - 7,000
Z - 7,000
SB - 16,500
BB - 15,800
Blinds are 200/400/50
Play folds round to you in SB and you are holding ac kd
You raise it to 1050
BB goes allin for 15,800
Limited reads on BB. Has been in top two of chips since final table began, played minimal hands to showdown. (If that means anything)
What do you do ?
obvious fold, but since you knocked me out of a satelliite calling with 8 6 when i had a big ace im surprised you didnt call, no hard feelings :D
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We"re 5 handed in a satellite for a live event. (Buyin $40)
Payout is 1st & 2nd = $250 seat, 3rd = $100, 4th = $60, 5th = $40
X - 7,000
Y - 7,000
Z - 7,000
SB - 16,500
BB - 15,800
Blinds are 200/400/50
Play folds round to you in SB and you are holding ac kd
You raise it to 1050
BB goes allin for 15,800
Limited reads on BB. Has been in top two of chips since final table began, played minimal hands to showdown. (If that means anything)
What do you do ?
obvious fold, but since you knocked me out of a satelliite calling with 8 6 when i had a big ace im surprised you didnt call, no hard feelings :D
Errrr, okay. You"ll have to jog my memory on that one. There"s no way I am calling with 8 6 unless the stack sizes can justify it. Clearly there are hard feelings, so sorry about that. ;D
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Sorry if I offended you by quoting your post I didn"t mean any offence by it.
Accepted, I"ll let you off. Still folding though ;)
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I may fold this also but was trying to give the reasons that a call might not be as crazy as the majority suggest
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Many thanks for all of the comments on this.
I chose not to say whether it was me in the SB or the BB, to allow for some balanced comments, and it"s not as straight forward as I first thought, and when next in the situation I"ll certainly have a better thought process with which to make the decision.
So, anyway, I was the one shoving from the BB, with the thought that the SB just wouldn"t be able to find a call with much more than AA and KK. Partly to defend my blind and also give more of an aggro table image. I was very surprised to see him call with the AK. If roles were reversed, I just don"t see how I would make that call, but as others have explained, it"s not the worst call in the world.
Interesting stuff. I managed to totally butcher the situation basically. GG me. ;D
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We"re 5 handed in a satellite for a live event. (Buyin $40)
Payout is 1st & 2nd = $250 seat, 3rd = $100, 4th = $60, 5th = $40
X - 7,000
Y - 7,000
Z - 7,000
SB - 16,500
BB - 15,800
Blinds are 200/400/50
Play folds round to you in SB and you are holding ac kd
You raise it to 1050
BB goes allin for 15,800
Limited reads on BB. Has been in top two of chips since final table began, played minimal hands to showdown. (If that means anything)
What do you do ?
obvious fold, but since you knocked me out of a satelliite calling with 8 6 when i had a big ace im surprised you didnt call, no hard feelings :D
Errrr, okay. You"ll have to jog my memory on that one. There"s no way I am calling with 8 6 unless the stack sizes can justify it. Clearly there are hard feelings, so sorry about that. ;D
no probs mate, i was only kidding, it was the free satellite at xmas for the dtd super 50 when i went all in with ace jack suited and you spiked an 8, but i only had about 5 big blinds so i would of called too, no more will be said about it lol
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spikes an 8 he must be a fish
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If don"t think he got AA or KK its goin straight in...