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Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: fandango on June 07, 2011, 16:42:44 PM
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After Jake Cody takes down event2. Matt Perrins wins event 9... 2-7 lo draw.. seems like the brits are gonna do well this year, hope Sam Trickett or Toby Lewis can add to the braclet haul.. John Eames is sitting pretty entering day3 of the 1k eventbuy in event 8 .... 17th with 60 left... Hatrick of braclets for the brits?? ???
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And Perrins hadn"t even played 2-7 before the event. Must be nice.
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its outta this world. So wish I was 21
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Would like to see Eames do well, i was on his table at a UKIPT last year, and he was recently sick unlucky in EPT few months ago.
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So Darren Woods from Grimsbeh takes the third one, though he only had to beat a girl to win.
And the Hellmuth-hater clones are proved wrong yet again as he gets HU for another bracelet. How can people think he is past it when he keeps making final tables every year?
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its outta this world. So wish I was 21
Me too.
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So Darren Woods from Grimsbeh takes the third one, though he only had to beat a girl to win.
And the Hellmuth-hater clones are proved wrong yet again as he gets HU for another bracelet. How can people think he is past it when he keeps making final tables every year?
Probably because his hold em game is pretty flawed
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So Darren Woods from Grimsbeh takes the third one, though he only had to beat a girl to win.
And the Hellmuth-hater clones are proved wrong yet again as he gets HU for another bracelet. How can people think he is past it when he keeps making final tables every year?
Yeah, shame about that would have loved him to win.
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Think Hellmuth has only won braceletes in Hold em, but the game has changed so much these last few years (bigger fields/ more agressive preflop etc), and thats why people are saying he is getting left behind because he hasnt really adapted his game.
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So Darren Woods from Grimsbeh takes the third one, though he only had to beat a girl to win.
And the Hellmuth-hater clones are proved wrong yet again as he gets HU for another bracelet. How can people think he is past it when he keeps making final tables every year?
Probably because his hold em game is pretty flawed
Well, that and he"s a monumental bell-end.
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So Darren Woods from Grimsbeh takes the third one, though he only had to beat a girl to win.
And the Hellmuth-hater clones are proved wrong yet again as he gets HU for another bracelet. How can people think he is past it when he keeps making final tables every year?
Probably because his hold em game is pretty flawed
Well, that and he"s a monumental bell-end.
<3 Hellmuth
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So Darren Woods from Grimsbeh takes the third one, though he only had to beat a girl to win.
And the Hellmuth-hater clones are proved wrong yet again as he gets HU for another bracelet. How can people think he is past it when he keeps making final tables every year?
Probably because his hold em game is pretty flawed
Well, that and he"s a monumental bell-end.
I met him in 2006 and railed him when he won braclet number 10. I thought he was a geniune nice guy and his tv image is exactly that - an image (which also happens to make him a lot of money)
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<3 Hellmuth
+1
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OK, call me slow but what does <3 mean?
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OK, call me slow but what does <3 mean?
slow
rotate it 90 degrees anticlockwise and try again
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Probably because his hold em game is pretty flawed
Think Hellmuth has only won braceletes in Hold em, but the game has changed so much these last few years (bigger fields/ more agressive preflop etc), and thats why people are saying he is getting left behind because he hasnt really adapted his game.
Yeah, that"s what everyone says but is it really the case with regard to live tournament poker? Ignoring the earlier years, these are his WSOP results for the last 5 years (Hold Em only), ignoring some lower cashes:
2010: 15/2341
2009: 17/446, 24/928, 29/1646
2008: 45/6844 (Main Event), 71/2304
2007: 1/2628, 6/827, 25/296, 31/728
2006: 1/754, 2/622, 3/484, 13/415
I wish my Hold Em game was as flawed and left-behind as that.
Regarding him being a Hold Em specialist, in the same period he has made FTs in PLO, PLO Hi-Lo, Limit Omaha Hi-Lo, HORSE and now 2-7 Lowball, as well as cashing in Stud Hi-Lo and Six-Max.
In all WSOP events, he has had 11 FTs and 31 cashes since 2006.
Is everyone just accepting the conventional wisdom without looking at the evidence?
Edit: PH currently 28/384 from 1378 in Event 26 - NLHE 6 Max. Mind you, Audley Harrison is 21st.
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Well, that and he"s a monumental bell-end.
That much isn"t in doubt though, like Stuart, I am convinced that a large proportion of his act is exactly that, calculated to intimidate opponents out of playing non-standard hands in case they are abused for it, so that he can then put them on hands more easily.
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Well, that and he"s a monumental bell-end.
That much isn"t in doubt though, like Stuart, I am convinced that a large proportion of his act is exactly that, calculated to intimidate opponents out of playing non-standard hands in case they are abused for it, so that he can then put them on hands more easily.
Does that really work though. I"d be going out of my way to make him blow up rather than worrying about him "abusing" me.
Although his results at the World Series are impressive, elsewhere he"s done very little.
The World Series attracts a lot of weaker players who he gets results against, once he comes up against decent calibre players he fails time and time again. If he didn"t proclaim himself to be so amazing that wouldn"t be an issue but he does so sets himself up for ridicule, particularly from the top players who know he"s simply not up there with the best
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You only had to watch the recent Premier League to see that his image has put a massive target on his forehead, and people just love to take shots at him for the chance to put him on tilt. Compare his image to that of Phil Ivey - I suspect people are less inclined to try and embarrass Ivey. So - if it"s really the case that Hellmuth puts on his show to try and get people to tighten their range against him, it clearly doesn"t work. I suspect ranges are much tighter against Ivey - the stare is far more difficult to play against than the tilted abuse and blow up.
The results don"t lie - re MintTrav"s summary further up the thread... I hadn"t realised Hellmuth had achieved such good results in recent years, and had gone with the general notion that he"s a has-been.... clearly not the case!
Definitely a bell-end though.
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<3 PH.
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<3 PH.
Care to decode this Marty.
His "bell end" behaviour does a lot to promote the game though.
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<3 PH.
Care to decode this Marty.
His "bell end" behaviour does a lot to promote the game though.
Turn your head 90 degrees to the right for the first part, then back to regular for the 2nd :)
Def good for the game. Def has some outdated tendancies, but certainly still a good player that people love to hate. Think its hilarious how popular it has become to hate Hellmuth. Im sure he weeps in his silk woven, gold plated bed at night...
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Some good young UK players left in last 190 of the 2500 6 max.
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Probably because his hold em game is pretty flawed
Think Hellmuth has only won braceletes in Hold em, but the game has changed so much these last few years (bigger fields/ more agressive preflop etc), and thats why people are saying he is getting left behind because he hasnt really adapted his game.
Yeah, that"s what everyone says but is it really the case with regard to live tournament poker? Ignoring the earlier years, these are his WSOP results for the last 5 years (Hold Em only), ignoring some lower cashes:
2010: 15/2341
2009: 17/446, 24/928, 29/1646
2008: 45/6844 (Main Event), 71/2304
2007: 1/2628, 6/827, 25/296, 31/728
2006: 1/754, 2/622, 3/484, 13/415
I wish my Hold Em game was as flawed and left-behind as that.
Regarding him being a Hold Em specialist, in the same period he has made FTs in PLO, PLO Hi-Lo, Limit Omaha Hi-Lo, HORSE and now 2-7 Lowball, as well as cashing in Stud Hi-Lo and Six-Max.
In all WSOP events, he has had 11 FTs and 31 cashes since 2006.
Is everyone just accepting the conventional wisdom without looking at the evidence?
Edit: PH currently 28/384 from 1378 in Event 26 - NLHE 6 Max. Mind you, Audley Harrison is 21st.
No need to wish buddy. It is :D
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Def good for the game IMO , along with Mike the mouth, and Laak etc makes good viewing on the Tv..
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Phil Hellmuth currently down to last 3 players in event #33 - 7card stud H/L
edit - and just been sucked out on 7th street 2 hands in a row. Win either one of them and he was HU.
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John Racener finishes 3rd
Helmuth HU (again) in a non-Hold'em event.
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John Racener finishes 3rd
Helmuth HU (again) in a non-Hold'em event.
PH ftw!!
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:(
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Although he was runner-up again he is now top of the POTY leaderboard.
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Although he was runner-up again he is now top of the POTY leaderboard.
Oh god, please don"t let him win it. We"ll never hear the last of it.
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Helmuth HU (again) in a non-Hold'em event.
Can"t understand how he has got HU for a bracelet twice this year. I"m sure I read somewhere that he is rubbish and can"t hack it with the young players these days.
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I also read that other than the WSOP he has "done very little"
I wonder if this is all lies then?
Known as the "Poker Brat" for his always colorful, competitive and controversial personality, Phil Hellmuth has won Player of the Year honors, the NBC Heads-Up Championships, the European Poker Championships, and over 50 other major tournament titles. In 2007, he was elected to the Poker Hall of Fame. Phil Hellmuth"s net worth is staggering, with his live tournament winnings contributing in excess of $10,700,000.
Phil Hellmuth is regarded by fellow players as a veteran of the game with a large heart and a word of gold, and he has frequently supported or assisted fellow players in need.
No Phil Hellmuth bio would be complete without pointing out his extensive entrepreneurial pursuits, further cementing his passion for the game. These include his clothing and merchandise company at www.PokerBrat.com, his New York Times bestselling book Play Poker Like the Pro"s, his instructional DVD"s, his online tutorials at iAmplify.com and his cell phone games from Oasys Mobile.
Phil Hellmuth is one of the most recognizable faces on television, with frequent appearances not only as a poker player but as a host on ESPN, Bravo, and NBC, as well as a competing coach against Annie Duke on FSN"s The Best Damn Poker Show I and II.
Since 1998, Hellmuth has written 52 newspaper columns a year titled "Hand of the Week" that chronicle the amazing poker hands, stories and lessons from his journey through the legendary games against the world"s most formidable opponents. His column is syndicated in papers around the world. Phil Hellmuth also blogs exclusively for CardPlayer.com.
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Agree that he has had amazing results in tournys and especially at the wsop, and i wouldnt bet against him getting a 12 title this year or next.
But whenever he is on TV shows like PAD cash game, HS poker and The Big Game. He has been completely owned by almost everyone (especially the younger players), then he goes on to moan about how bad everyone plays against him. Great to watch though.
" 9 ball, corner pocket"
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I"d be intrigued to see how he"d get on in something like an EPT, where the play is much more aggressive and there won"t be so many recreational players as you"d get at the World Series. It"s those players he seems to struggle against the most, and generally the ones he moans about as they"re calling or 3-betting him without what HE considers playable hands.
9-ball corner pocket indeed Will!
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4YySPI4bE[/youtube]
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Agree that he has had amazing results in tournys and especially at the wsop, and i wouldnt bet against him getting a 12 title this year or next.
But whenever he is on TV shows like PAD cash game, HS poker and The Big Game. He has been completely owned by almost everyone (especially the younger players), then he goes on to moan about how bad everyone plays against him. Great to watch though.
" 9 ball, corner pocket"
The impression I"ve had is that he"s not that good at cash, and this has been inflated by the people who don"t like him into him not being good at anything.
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Lol .... Think I need to rename the thread now ;)..
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Agree that he has had amazing results in tournys and especially at the wsop, and i wouldnt bet against him getting a 12 title this year or next.
But whenever he is on TV shows like PAD cash game, HS poker and The Big Game. He has been completely owned by almost everyone (especially the younger players), then he goes on to moan about how bad everyone plays against him. Great to watch though.
" 9 ball, corner pocket"
The impression I"ve had is that he"s not that good at cash, and this has been inflated by the people who don"t like him into him not being good at anything.
I"d say it"s more that he"s bloody awful at cash, very good at beating fields containing a lot of weaker players but can"t compete with the best when playing against just them
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Agree that he has had amazing results in tournys and especially at the wsop, and i wouldnt bet against him getting a 12 title this year or next.
But whenever he is on TV shows like PAD cash game, HS poker and The Big Game. He has been completely owned by almost everyone (especially the younger players), then he goes on to moan about how bad everyone plays against him. Great to watch though.
" 9 ball, corner pocket"
The impression I"ve had is that he"s not that good at cash, and this has been inflated by the people who don"t like him into him not being good at anything.
I"d say it"s more that he"s bloody awful at cash, very good at beating fields containing a lot of weaker players but can"t compete with the best when playing against just them
It would be better to just say that he is not as good at cash as he is at tournaments and leave it at that. Not only can he compete with the best in the world in tournaments when playing against just them, but he has an edge over most of them.
The two events he has got to HU this year were both $10k buy-ins, mostly populated by pro players.
The shake-up in the Stud Hi-Lo included 3 Racener, 4 Forrest, 5 Benyamine, 12 Laak, 13 Seidel, 14 Chen, 15 Violette - all bracelet holders.
The end of the 2-7 event was even stronger, with 8 of the FT (and 11 of the last 14) being bracelet holders. And one of the ones who didn"t have a bracelet was November Niner Chino Rheem. 13 of the last 14 were multiple finalists.
Bracelet holders - 1 Juanda, 3 Ashby, 4 Sung, 5 Schulman, 6 Bakes Baker, 7 Habib, 9 Raymer, 11 Grospellier, 12 Chan, 13 Cantu.
Apart from Juanda, he beat all of them.
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It would be better to just say that he is not as good at cash as he is at tournaments and leave it at that.
FYP
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It would be better to just say that he is not as good at cash as he is at tournaments and leave it at that.
FYP
Or to put it another way - the tournament fields with weaker players, also contain lots of world class players as well.
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I"d say it"s more that he"s bloody awful at cash, very good at beating fields containing a lot of weaker players but can"t compete with the best when playing against just them
It would be better for you to just say that he is not as good at cash as he is at tournaments and leave it at that rather than overstating your position by claiming that he can"t compete with the best when playing against just them, which is demonstrably untrue in live tournaments.
fmp
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Niall Farrell, winner of the APAT team event in Bolton this year, has cashed again in Event 36 of the WSOP, this to go with his earlier cash in the series.
Also Tom Middleton is sitting in 8th place of the same event. Jon Spinks leads event 38 $1500 NLH at the end of day one.
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Spinks played a couple of APATs and may have final tabled Walsall ( he may also have bubbled).
He has had 2 4th place finishes so far in the WSoP, pretty consistent stuff
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Anf Tom middleton is a pretty sick online player. Think he Plays under the name Hitthehole.
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Anf Tom middleton is a pretty sick online player. Think he Plays under the name Hitthehole.
Played live with him. Can honestly say I"ve never played against such relentless aggression. We had Praz Bansi at the table for a while, and Tom completely owned him.
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GTFO the Hellmuth thread with your stuff about British learners.
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Anf Tom middleton is a pretty sick online player. Think he Plays under the name Hitthehole.
Played live with him. Can honestly say I"ve never played against such relentless aggression. We had Praz Bansi at the table for a while, and Tom completely owned him.
Yeah he is hitthehole, sharkscope puts him up about 300K up on Stars and FT. And he"s married to my half cousin!! :D
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Anf Tom middleton is a pretty sick online player. Think he Plays under the name Hitthehole.
is also one to watch.
Played live with him. Can honestly say I"ve never played against such relentless aggression. We had Praz Bansi at the table for a while, and Tom completely owned him.
Yeah he is hitthehole, sharkscope puts him up about 300K up on Stars and FT. And he"s married to my half cousin!! :D
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Pretty sure you"ll find that Niall Farrall is one of the sickest players out there.
Alex Martin made a FT as chip leader and finished 5th and is sitting deep in another right now, Ben Jenkins is 9/39 in the 2.5k.
I have a feeling Jack Ellwood may bink too, and write Moorman off at your peril.
There are so many good brits around right now, and this can only be good for our game and make us all better players, and i for one hope they crush out here.....
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Anf Tom middleton is a pretty sick online player. Think he Plays under the name Hitthehole.
is also one to watch.
Played live with him. Can honestly say I"ve never played against such relentless aggression. We had Praz Bansi at the table for a while, and Tom completely owned him.
Yeah he is hitthehole, sharkscope puts him up about 300K up on Stars and FT. And he"s married to my half cousin!! :D
Pretty sure you"ll find that Niall Farrall is one of the sickest players out there.
Alex Martin made a FT as chip leader and finished 5th and is sitting deep in another right now, Ben Jenkins is 9/39 in the 2.5k.
I have a feeling Jack Ellwood may bink too, and write Moorman off at your peril.
There are so many good brits around right now, and this can only be good for our game and make us all better players, and i for one hope they crush out here.....
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Yeah bring on the Brits!!
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I cant do proper quotes either. So tilting isnt it??????????????
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I cant do proper quotes either. So tilting isnt it??????????????
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Its not exactly hard. Just don"t delete part of the quote.
8) 8)
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Anf Tom middleton is a pretty sick online player. Think he Plays under the name Hitthehole.
Played live with him. Can honestly say I"ve never played against such relentless aggression. We had Praz Bansi at the table for a while, and Tom completely owned him.
Yeah he is hitthehole, sharkscope puts him up about 300K up on Stars and FT. And he"s married to my half cousin!! :D
Doh, he is actually my half cousins son! Oh and is now 4th, with 6 left!
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http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/updates.asp?rr=5&grid=821&tid=11475&dayof=
Follow this link for upto the minute info. Sounds like the Brits railing crew, is more like a football crowd!!
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4/5 and anyones game!
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FML, got home yesterday, was looking forward to a brittish rail. Go middy
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The rail is now drinking Beer out of their shoes!! And Tom has just taken a monster pot against the CL, and may now be the CL!
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Overnight chip counts....
Thomas Middleton 4,030,000
Mikhail Lakhitov 2,705,000
Hassan Babajane 2,365,000
Eddy Sabat 2,030,000
Thomas Miller 1,885,000
GET IT WON TOM!!!
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Sounds like a hell of an atmosphere, go Tom!
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Go middy!!!!!!!
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Unlucky Tom,but the $300k might ease the disappointment some what.
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Chris Moorman heads up in the $10k six max.. One time!! Big chip lead as well.. Gl sir
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Moorman"s the shorter stack
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Moorman"s the shorter stack
Unless cardplayer.com hasn"t updated it shows Moorman at 11mill to Ebanks 3mill ? What site you check George?
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Its confusing on wsop website as it says first moorman with the chiplead and then straight above it says they will come back tomorrow with current chip stacks and its a complete reversal but with the exact same stacks with Ebanks as chip leader
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Looks like Moorman is def the shorter stack though
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Looks like Moorman is def the shorter stack though
True
Unfortunately
Still-one double up and it"s game on again
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Event 50, early days yet but we have a bevy of talent handily placed, Aikenhead, Middleton, Cody and Eames just to name 4!
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Moorman"s the shorter stack
Unless cardplayer.com hasn"t updated it shows Moorman at 11mill to Ebanks 3mill ? What site you check George?
From the horse"s mouth -
@Moorman1 "Headsup for the bracelet tomorrow, big deficit to overcome but one double and Its over, Time to get that bracelet and all the $"
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Apparantly 3 handed they took 730k each and are playing for an additional 150k plus bracelet for the winner
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Go "The Poker Brat" ! Currently 8/11 in the 50K Players Championship, would love him to win it. This is his 3rd deep run this Series, it must put him in the running for Player of the Series.
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Go Phil
and haters - GTFO ;D
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Im contemplating using my one time for PH to win this...
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Currently 5/11 according to WSOP updates.
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Just read PH has won 12 million playing tournaments, yet his biggest cash was his 750k WSOP ME win.
Unreal!
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6/10 atm. CL 3.1mill PH 2.1mill.
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Would also like to see him win this... Obv to show haters it"s not just Holdem he can play
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Just read PH has won 12 million playing tournaments, yet his biggest cash was his 750k WSOP ME win.
Unreal!
Shows how good he is, Ship it Phil!
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Now the idiot is 1/5. What a donkey!
Stacks (m) - 6.4, 4.0, 3.0, 2.9, 2.9; Blinds (k) - 60/30/15 = Lots of play left.
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So - the donkey who can"t play anything but HoldEm is Headsup in a $50k 8-game tourney!! Go Phil!!
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Come on Phil, would be great for him to win this! Having said that we"ll never hear the last of it!! :D
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Hellmuth is dominating this HeadsUp. It"s been all NLHE so far, and he"s crushing Rast.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/dallas-cowboys-vlog
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It"s a massacre. Rast is supposed to be a great HoldEm player, but Hellmuth is killing him.
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16.6m v 2.2m
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uh oh.
Phil taken a couple of punts with flush draws and doubled Rast up twice - Rast now slight chip leader.
Phil tilting a little.
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Shame - how unlucky to lose 3 races.
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All over - Phil"s third runner up place of the series.
Flush draw vs made straight - all in on flop. The third time he got all in with a FD on flop and missed.
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darn it! >:(
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Gutted for him, is a cool million compensation, I doubt it....
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Massive chip leader, then all gone in less than 30 mins. Cruel game.
That"s three 2nds this year. He should be really happy with that, but I sense he would almost have prefered to not get so close and keep missing out. Painful.
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Excellent stuff. Go Rast! Great comeback. ;D
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Those flush draws hurt big time!! Still three 2nd place finishes is pretty awesome stuff..
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Those flush draws hurt big time!! Still three 2nd place finishes is pretty awesome stuff..
2nd place is simply the first of all the losers! Nobody remember 2nd place!
12 bracelets sounds so much better than 11 bracelets and three 2nd places.
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Those flush draws hurt big time!! Still three 2nd place finishes is pretty awesome stuff..
2nd place is simply the first of all the losers! Nobody remember 2nd place!
12 bracelets sounds so much better than 11 bracelets and three 2nd places.
On the plus side, we don"t have to listen to his whiney voice banging on about "Oooh, i"ve got 12 bracelets, i"m the best in the world" for the next year.
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Those flush draws hurt big time!! Still three 2nd place finishes is pretty awesome stuff..
2nd place is simply the first of all the losers! Nobody remember 2nd place!
12 bracelets sounds so much better than 11 bracelets and three 2nd places.
Not denying that 12 bracelets, is better than 11 and three 2nd places! Obv every poker player wants to win every tournament they enter. But when your playing these WSOP events that are stacked with so many pros and such large fields...IMO that"s pretty impressive!!!
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Those flush draws hurt big time!! Still three 2nd place finishes is pretty awesome stuff..
2nd place is simply the first of all the losers! Nobody remember 2nd place!
12 bracelets sounds so much better than 11 bracelets and three 2nd places.
Not denying that 12 bracelets, is better than 11 and three 2nd places! Obv every poker player wants to win every tournament they enter. But when your playing these WSOP events that are stacked with so many pros and such large fields...IMO that"s pretty impressive!!!
11 bracelets and 9 second places, actually.
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I like the story from 33.30 onwards if you can"t be bothered listening to the rest.
http://vimeo.com/16713372 (http://vimeo.com/16713372)