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WYoung83

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River line?
« on: June 17, 2012, 23:39:06 PM »
 This hand is for a big pot in $4 rebuy ( 2 Rebuys and 1 add on) MTT.....
Ave is 25k iirc, i started hand 35k..... just 10 places from money, 22 plyrs left 12 paid.

PokerStars Hand #82095141043: Tournament #571437082, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (350/700) - 2012/06/17 22:43:58 WET [2012/06/17 17:43:58 ET]
Table "571437082 5" 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: wyoung83 (35329 in chips)
Seat 3: dbbmax12 (25014 in chips)
Seat 4: desbone13 (41441 in chips)
Seat 5: annukka48 (10195 in chips)
Seat 7: pokerstud692 (9476 in chips)
Seat 8: dannyjw (19393 in chips)
Seat 9: Mariobl888 (8579 in chips)
wyoung83: posts the ante 85
dbbmax12: posts the ante 85
desbone13: posts the ante 85
annukka48: posts the ante 85
pokerstud692: posts the ante 85
dannyjw: posts the ante 85
Mariobl888: posts the ante 85
pokerstud692: posts small blind 350
dannyjw: posts big blind 700
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wyoung83 [Ah Kd]
Mariobl888: folds
wyoung83: raises 850 to 1550
dbbmax12: calls 1550
desbone13: folds
annukka48: folds
pokerstud692: folds
dannyjw: calls 850
*** FLOP *** [Kh 3d 8s]
dannyjw: checks
wyoung83: bets 2500
dbbmax12: calls 2500
dannyjw: folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 3d 8s] [7h]
wyoung83: checks
dbbmax12: bets 4555
wyoung83: calls 4555
*** RIVER *** [Kh 3d 8s 7h] [As]
wyoung83: bets 7000
dbbmax12: raises 7000 to 14000
wyoung83: raises 7000 to 21000
dbbmax12: calls 2324 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (4676) returned to wyoung83
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wyoung83: shows [Ah Kd] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
dbbmax12: shows [3c 3h] (three of a kind, Threes)

may seem like a standard cooler, but at this point vs a decant player can i ever just check/call river? Did i loose too much?

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Re: River line?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 23:59:41 PM »
Not a big fan of c/c here as too many hands that call river check back.

I think it should be b/f, but I"ll be honest and say I probably do exactly what you did Will.
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Re: River line?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2012, 00:03:44 AM »
I would play the flop and turn precisely the same way, but i am probably c/f the river as it just feels wrong.

Been in situations like this online a few times,m and you are usually beaten a fair bit, again i will bow to the stats guru"s as i dont have the first clue what they are on about :D
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Re: River line?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2012, 02:23:10 AM »
dont mind your line, but if u chose to check call the turn surely u are hoping to get him to bluff or turn into a bluff 99 TT JJ or hope he bets KQ KJ on this texture, hard to put him on K8 K3 K7 but small maybe, u hold the ace heart blocking a possible FD so u can discount him having A3hh A8hh, so when u bet the river ace and he min re-raises i"d thought u have to ask yourself ""wtf is he repping here that hopes i fold?"" and then find a reluctant shoulder shrugging fold :)... i suppose check call would be best here after the turn check and the ace binks on the river..

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Re: River line?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2012, 10:32:34 AM »
Prefer b/f the turn than c/c.

River is tough now and it depends if he likely to take off with weaker aces up, but it is probably a standard b/f with the line you have taken.

Also don"t post results if you want better insight imo
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Re: River line?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2012, 17:19:01 PM »
 thanks for help guys,

Dean i  dont like bet fold turn btw, its not somthing that i do often in this spot. By check calling i like to keep  Kx, underpairs and of course air in his range, for such a dry board there isnt really any scary rivers for my hand.
I actually wanted to post result right away to get fast feedback tbh. Im fine with the other streets and was just basically wondering if others do anything diff on the river.

This guy ( from Canada) had been on my left for over 1 hr, and he seemed pretty deecant, he was hidden on OPR, so dont know how much he has won or made, although bizzarly he wasnt hidden on stars and was playing some of the bigger sunday tourns. There was deffently leveling going on in the hands i played vs him, thats the reason why i check call turn (i expect him to float dry flops with airballs, Kx and small pairs) when i make Aces up i bet less than half pot to either get called by small pairs, Kx or to induce a bluff with airballs or a potential BDFD that didnt get there.
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Re: River line?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 17:30:47 PM »
Having been called pre, and then again on the flop, I don"t mind check/calling the turn - for pot control if nothing else. If we bet the turn and get raised, we are almost always folding - by check/calling, at least we get to see the river.  That said, seeing the river was probably not a good thing in this particular spot..... Would prefer a check/call on river rather than the bet/shove line though.  

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Re: River line?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2012, 18:06:13 PM »
Yeh this is exactly what my very first though was at showdown steve. I am really frustrated about this hand now, i was playing really well upto this point. At first glance it looks like a standard cooler but i really dont like the way i played it on the river. I used to get tilted with the way others play a hand badly that can effect the game flow of a table or dammage my stack in some way, but nowadays i get tilted with the way i play a hand.