Omaha River Decision

[PHIL_TC]

Hand #83894829446:  Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2012/07/27 0:19:13 WET [2012/07/26 19:19:13 ET]
Table "Puck VI" 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: SoSickMyNick ($142.62 in chips)
Seat 2: Katiethefish ($217.72 in chips)
Seat 3: charlybumbum ($200 in chips)
Seat 4: kongfupandar ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: Double-A112 ($199.25 in chips)
Seat 6: RommyTheCute ($58.34 in chips)
charlybumbum: posts small blind $1
kongfupandar: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Katiethefish [ ]
Double-A112: folds
RommyTheCute: raises $2 to $4
SoSickMyNick: folds
Katiethefish: calls $4
charlybumbum: folds
kongfupandar: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
RommyTheCute: checks
Katiethefish: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
RommyTheCute: bets $10.50
Katiethefish: calls $10.50
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
RommyTheCute: bets $30.56

Katiethefish  

History.. just took half Villain"s stack a few hands previous. Didn"t like to raise pre had position with a nut hand, so was happy to call on the button.

Thoughts on the play and what to do on the river?

p.s. did have a giggle when charlybumbum sat at the table

[duke3016]

I presume that the lack of a turn card means its the A of D....

therefore shove his sorry ar$e and lick you wounds after

[dwh103]

Need more reads. Against his bowl stack and depending on the blinds tendencies I may 3bet pre here.

As soon as he checks flop, I"m putting a bet out there. It"s a flop that smashes into your range so I"m happy taking the lead here - obviously hoping to take it down now, but it gives you control of the pot to make your future decisions easier.

As played, it"s a horrible spot without reads. He shouldn"t have a set or big draw here, so basically he"s repping Aces up - therefore I sigh fold.

Any other info on Villain? Seeing the hand where you half stack him should help..

[Marty719]

If its readless, I just call river and make a note. I play the same up to tht point.

[PHIL_TC]

Any other info on Villain? Seeing the hand where you half stack him should help..

Don"t judge me on this one.... couldn"t put him on any of it all the way through...

Hand #83894426563:  Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2012/07/27 0:08:48 WET [2012/07/26 19:08:48 ET]
Table "Puck VI" 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: SoSickMyNick ($140.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Katiethefish ($137.94 in chips)
Seat 3: snake194519 ($249.88 in chips)
Seat 4: NAKAMATOR ($200 in chips)
Seat 5: Double-A112 ($223.82 in chips)
Seat 6: RommyTheCute ($115.46 in chips)
Katiethefish: posts small blind $1
snake194519: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Katiethefish [  ]
NAKAMATOR: folds
Double-A112: folds
RommyTheCute: raises $2 to $4
SoSickMyNick: folds
Katiethefish: raises $6 to $10
snake194519: folds
RommyTheCute: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Katiethefish: bets $18
RommyTheCute: calls $18
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Katiethefish: bets $55.39
RommyTheCute: calls $55.39
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Katiethefish: bets $54.55 and is all-in
RommyTheCute: folds
Uncalled bet ($54.55) returned to Katiethefish
Katiethefish collected $165.98 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $168.78 | Rake $2.80
Board [ ]
Seat 1: SoSickMyNick (button) folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 2: Katiethefish (small blind) collected ($165.98)
Seat 3: snake194519 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: NAKAMATOR folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 5: Double-A112 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 6: RommyTheCute folded on the River

[dwh103]

Yeah, that doesn"t really help a great deal. I"d assume he"s weak/passive from that and has some kind of draw, maybe 1 pair + tenuous draw like KQJx. Either way, he never puts any pressure on you, so that would make me a little wary when he starts putting chips in during the second hand.

Really not much to go on, but nothing here would make me change my decision.

[PHIL_TC]

Cheers Dave.. be interesting to see what others think. Definitely should of bet the flop, nitty play on my part really didn"t want to be put into a position for his stack, which was stupid as that"s what ended up happening anyway. He did play this one totally differently though which set off the alarm bells.

I presume that the lack of a turn card means its the A of D....

therefore shove his sorry ar$e and lick you wounds after

Shocked?  

If its readless, I just call river and make a note. I play the same up to tht point.

Cheers Marty

[Marty719]

Definitely should of bet the flop, nitty play on my part really didn"t want to be put into a position for his stack

I def think we can c/ back flop a good % of the time here.  We dnt really wana be b/f here on this wet board, and we can use some pot control and call down on favourable run-downs/when we get there.  Even more likely to check if we have a bdfd to go with it.  

[AMRN]

In the second hand, what are you trying to achieve with the 3b pre? By making it a small 3b and not potting it, you are nailed on to get called by the original raiser - hence all you are doing is inflating the pot.  Now consider that as you are SB, you are out of position post flop in a bloated pot. Other than on a Axx rainbow flop, how many times are you actually going to feel comfortable playing AA34 out of position post flop?

In my opinion, you are way too deep to be 3betting from the blinds with pretty much any hand - for me it"s a flat call, and play a smaller pot oop on the flop, and am ready to check/fold most flops.  

My rule of thumb for 3betting from the blinds in PLO is that I only tend to do it if I can commit my stack - ie get half of it in pre.  Raisers rarely fold to a 3b in PLO if they have position - hence your 3b in this spot only makes the hand more difficult for you to play further down the streets.

[PHIL_TC]

Cheers Steve. The 2nd hand (which was actually a few hands before the one I wanted advice on.. just posted as requested by Dave) I would normally just flat pre OOP with bare Aces, but have a nut flush draw as well to go with it, was therefore happy to bump it up a little. You saying you never raise in the blinds when you"re deep? Understand about wanting to get it all in pre with Aces if you"re shallow, remember reading a whole chapter on that once where the ploy was basically buy in for the min, wait for aces and try and get it all in pre.

Any thoughts on the first hand?

[AMRN]

Yeah - hardly ever gonna 3b from the SB... it just makes the post flop play unnecessarily expensive out of position, and therefore the decisions are much harder and mistakes are a lot more expensive I"m not saying I will never play oop - but if I"m putting myself in that spot, I would prefer to keep the pot smaller to minimise risk.  PLO is not like NLHE in this instance - in NLHE, the 3b from the blinds is usually designed to try and take the pot down there and there.... in PLO that will never happen.

In the first hand, no probs entering the pot with the hand given that you have draws to a strong set and nut flush - might 3b with position though to take the initiative.  Suspect I would probably bet the flop with the overpair once the original raiser has checked - gotta make the most of the power of position. Don"t mind the call on the turn with 2 pair.    However, given that we"ve called on the turn, how often does the other guy think he will be able to get a bluff through on the river, unless he puts us quite specifically on a missed draw.... therefore, I don"t see your two pair hand being good here much of the time, and I fold to the river bet.