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VBlue

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Two Short-Stack All-Ins - Call or Fold - $3.3 MTT
« on: January 07, 2013, 19:33:59 PM »
Pacific, $2.70 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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UTG+2: 2,660 (1.3 bb)
MP1: 59,080 (29.5 bb)
MP2: 11,041 (5.5 bb)
MP3: 30,680 (15.3 bb)
Hero (CO): 31,406 (15.7 bb)
BTN: 9,620 (4.8 bb)
SB: 19,876 (9.9 bb)
BB: 41,040 (20.5 bb)
UTG+1: 46,111 (23.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ac 3c
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 2,460 and is all-in, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 10,841 and is all-in, 1 fold

Flop: (9,720) 3h 5d 2h (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (9,720) 8d (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (9,720) 7h (2 players, 2 are all-in)

UTG+2 is 14/7/12.5 over 36 hands. MP2 is 33/27/10 over 30 hands.

Tournament is fairly fast structure with 7 min blinds.

Do we call/reshove or fold?  

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Re: Two Short-Stack All-Ins - Call or Fold - $3.3 MTT
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 21:17:35 PM »
Just fold
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Re: Two Short-Stack All-Ins - Call or Fold - $3.3 MTT
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 21:23:05 PM »
Sample size of hands makes that info pretty meaningless.

I see the blinds are biggish and effective stacks are small. Are we in the money yet? Number of players left, average chips and prize structure would be relevant here.

Having said all that, I reckon 15 bigs is a decent stack in a fast tourney and your chips are pretty precious here.

I would probably fold this even though there is a chance (remote)  that your hand is best here. If I was BB I would probably call though

I see you did a fold.
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Re: Two Short-Stack All-Ins - Call or Fold - $3.3 MTT
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 23:01:59 PM »

Sample size of hands makes that info pretty meaningless.

I see the blinds are biggish and effective stacks are small. Are we in the money yet? Number of players left, average chips and prize structure would be relevant here.

Having said all that, I reckon 15 bigs is a decent stack in a fast tourney and your chips are pretty precious here.

I would probably fold this even though there is a chance (remote)  that your hand is best here. If I was BB I would probably call though

I see you did a fold.


i"d take into account all in the bolded, then equity wise at worst [that neither opponent has AA] you are around 21%..
if you win % wise u increase your stack to approx 25bb 20 times
if you lose you have a stack of 10bb 80 times
fold then obv you have 15bb

so guesstimate/ask yourself from this position -
how many times will i win or get deeper into the significant money if i get a 25bb stack
""                                                                                                "" get down to 10bb
""                                                                                                "" fold leaving myself 15bb [then how often will i double up within an orbit to 30bb etc]

then maths wise take into account the 3players left to act behind you - eg - you guesstimate the btn and sb to call your shove 10% of the time and the BB to call 5% - so 0.9x0.9x0.95=0.75 so take into account that u get called 25% behind..

if you fold will you get opportunity"s to steal the blinds etc etc

how much does/not min cashing in a micro mtt effect your bankroll

regurgitate/guesstimate all the above and take into account your skills/edge etc...


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Re: Two Short-Stack All-Ins - Call or Fold - $3.3 MTT
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2013, 09:54:43 AM »
Pretty simple fold imo

Much better to keep your stack intact for shoving/stealing

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Re: Two Short-Stack All-Ins - Call or Fold - $3.3 MTT
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2013, 09:55:46 AM »
I did a quick look at some ranges from the two all-ins in front of me, and could need more than 2:1 just on the decision to call them as I had only ~30% equity.

Looks like a good fold.

I"m just becoming more aware of the need to take every edge at these stages of tournaments, especially with the structure the way it was.  Will keep working on spots like this.

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Re: Two Short-Stack All-Ins - Call or Fold - $3.3 MTT
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2013, 09:57:11 AM »
Swinebag - yes, will provide more info in future for spots like this.

noble - thanks for the detailed reply.