Also, I was in a similar scenario with that flop in Walsall.
Both of us have approx 11k, him slightly more chips than I.
I have TJ on the BB, utg limps in, and I flat check. Flop comes down 789 giving me the str8. I check, he bets, i reraise over the top and then I cant recall exactly but I think he went all in there or he reraised again and I put the rest of my chips in.
He shows 77 for a set and I have the str8, 7 to J, turn comes an 8 and thats me out of the tournament.
Afterwards I gave it a great deal of thought, and maybe I shouldve just called his bet post flop rather than re-raising to see that turn card and then if the board hasnt paired, with only 1 card to go make an all in push, my thinking on this tho is there was no way he was folding his set.
What do you think on my play and what went down? Should I have raised pre, would it have made any difference to the outcome of the hand? Was I being over keen to call his all in?
For what it"s worth, I don"t think there"s anything wrong with your play in this hand. You"ve got your money in as a (reasonably decent) favourite. Given the hands, it"s pretty standard that you"ve both got it in on the flop I think. You certainly can"t fold at any point so given that he has re-raised it has to end this way.
It has made me think about spots where there is possibly value on peeling off that extra card before commiting and I came up with the following scenario:
Same scenario as above but the limper is actually on the button (I just want to open his range up a little). Lets say blinds are 100/200 giving a starting pot of 500 and you both have a starting stack of 10k.
Flop comes 789 rainbow and you hold JT and decide to chk-raise. He bets 400 and you raise to 1300. He then re-raises to 4000. At this point the standard move is a shove from you and I don"t think anyone will fault that play. As an exercise though lets consider another possible line.
Assuming villain is not an idiot and is not making a move, I think it"s fair to put his range as 2Pair+. Below calculations are very rough.
JT - Split pot (assuming no backdoor fd for either player)
98/97/87 - 4 outs - about a 5:1 dog
77/88/99 - 7.5 outs - about a 2:1 dog
T6/65 - Dead - I"m ignoring his outs 2 a split pot as T6 is a pretty unlikely limp and I"m lazy
Now I"m wondering is there any value in smooth calling here and shoving any non-7/8/9 turn?
Conversely, if the board does pair on the turn we check/shove or shove any river if he checks behind. What I like about this is that we probably take him off JT which is a massive plus for us obviously, but whether it"s worth the possible lost value of hands that may fold here but would have got it in to a flop shove I don"t know.
Apologies that this was a bit long and rambly and I haven"t really drawn any conclusions. I just kinda wrote stuff down as I thought about it. I"d love to know peoples thoughts on this line or similar things though......
