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noble1

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would you class this as chip balancing / dumping etc
« on: August 29, 2008, 22:01:48 PM »
said hand in question which i was observing from other table in ept london sat
i"ll omit players names as i reported it !!!
The villian 2 was on bubble in last place till this hand occurred causing another player on another table 5 hands later to go out when the blinds reached him needless to say he wasnt happy also all of us had seen it as we were watching the other table.What do you guys think ???? Point 3 in the support response sums it up for me but pokerstars seem to think not ????????

Seat 1: villian (26190 in chips)
Seat 2:  villian  (7996 in chips)
Seat 3:  villian  (4203 in chips)
Seat 5:  villian 1 (10159 in chips)
Seat 6:  villian  (5245 in chips)
Seat 7:  villian  (10510 in chips)
Seat 8:  villian 2 (2300 in chips)
villian : posts the ante 125
villian : posts the ante 125
villian : posts the ante 125
villian 1: posts the ante 125
villian : posts the ante 125
villian : posts the ante 125
villian 2: posts the ante 125
villian : posts small blind 600
villian 2: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
villian : folds
villian : folds
villian : folds
villian 1: calls 1200
villian 1 said, "good luck villian 2"
villian : folds
villian : folds
villian 2 said, "hmmm"
villian 2 said, "am stuffed"
villian 2: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h  :3d: 4c]
villian 2: checks
villian 1: folds
villian 2 collected 3875 from pot
villian 2: doesn"t show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3875 | Rake 0
Board [4h  :3d: 4c]



Thank you once again for reporting your concerns to us. Although we do

monitor the games for collusion, we always appreciate vigilant players

such as yourself reporting any strange or unusual play to us for review. I

have completed my investigation into the accounts of the

players

blah blah blah [load of pokerstars waffle]

One of the advantages of online poker is that there is a full record of

every hand, and after the fact, we can look through the hands with all

cards face up; as a result, cheaters cannot hide what they are doing. In

looking at tournament play for collusion, we check for such things as:



1) Best hand play, where the two players play only the better of their two

hands.



2) Softplay, where the two players refuse to bet against each other.



3) Chip dumping/Stack balancing, where the two players work to help each

other survive by deliberately losing to each other if one"s stack is short.



I reviewed this tournament with all cards face up, looking for any forms

of collusion.While I appreciate why you think these two players are

colluding, the review does not indicate that these players are working

together as a team.



OMG WHAT HISTORY WAS HE LOOKING AT ??????????????????
« Last Edit: August 29, 2008, 22:04:03 PM by noble1 »

duke3016

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Re: would you class this as chip balancing / dumping etc
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 22:08:41 PM »
flop would indicate villain 1 had none of it (and 3rd in chips, but against a low stack)  -- still struggling why he folded to a check regardless of his hand you call right ? but villain 2 saying stuffed -- speech play ? don"t know -- but hey i lose everynight

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Re: would you class this as chip balancing / dumping etc
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 22:09:07 PM »
Unfortunately, it happens all the time.  Does look a strong case, or maybe he clicked the fold button by mistake.  ::)