Ship it?

[George2Loose]

PokerStars Game #30425781197: Tournament #178348767, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/07/13 17:21:57 ET
Table "178348767 41" 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: larrylegend3 (3809 in chips)
Seat 2: Pippopie (4125 in chips)
Seat 3: Nusha77 (10342 in chips)
Seat 4: mutante43 (1209 in chips)
Seat 5: LukDoesntPay (2530 in chips)
Seat 6: Sir Kaju (3030 in chips)
Seat 7: Mr Blankey (3475 in chips)
Seat 8: George2Loose (2665 in chips)
Seat 9: God1886 (1425 in chips)
mutante43: posts small blind 15
LukDoesntPay: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
Sir Kaju: folds
Mr Blankey: folds
George2Loose: raises 60 to 90
God1886: raises 180 to 270
larrylegend3: folds
Pippopie: folds
Nusha77: folds
mutante43: calls 255
LukDoesntPay: folds
George2Loose:

[lukybugur]

Are you fancying an early night ... ?

[George2Loose]

with stack sizes I think i should shove no?

[Swinebag]

Without any reads, I"m folding here. I think you are playing for one if not both of those short stacks and you are most likely flipping at best and too many times are dominated. It is marginal but I dont think, the reward quite outweighs the risk.

A ship might be ok if you had good suitable reads on the two shorties? What have they done so far to get so short?

[George2Loose]

peeled a lot- spewed like tards tbh

[deanp27]

judging by their stack sizes at this early stage i assume they are donks, i"d be getting it in probs but depends on what i had seen thus far

[lukybugur]

I see this as;

if your shove is to get them to fold, you"ll gain around 625 (add around 20% to your stack). I don"t think two folds is very likely tbh as God1886 has 3bet you PF and mutant has called knowing that it"s likely three players will see a flop. They"re both kinda saying that they want to play this pot so ...

if you shove and get two calls by AK and AQ, you"re 45% v 32% v 25%. If you get called by one player, you"re prob gonna be flipping for 1200/1500 chips. To me this seems like a -EV move this early as if it goes wrong it leaves you with just 1200. At 15/30 levels you still have plenty time to recover but I still see this as spewy.

OOP I"d flat, see and prob check a flop and let God1886 cbet it. My part in this hand would depend on mutante"s reaction to that.

[Cyntaf]

Neil sounds good, flat call giving possibly an extra win route, with a shove on low board??? Would they lay down a pair or even 2 overs though?  You may hit your set.....Nah! Fairly easy to get away from, if your not comfy on the flop.
If they"re not going to lay down to the shove pre, would they lay to shove on low brd etc. If u think not, give it up pre-flop and wait for a better prospect.

[mal666]

peeled a lot- spewed like tards tbh

This^^^ + a  jd and a  jh =  shove every time.

[bigredders]

peeled a lot- spewed like tards tbh

This^^^ + a  jd and a  jh =  shove every time.

this....why let them hit with their connecting cards?