Cash Tour 2012

[Delboy]

So the highest winners from the first round go into the second round, several of them then lose chips (maybe everything) and end up worse off than some of those knocked out in the first round.

What about banking a certain amount of the first round winnings?

No weeding aloud, they either quit with the lot or continue with the lot. besides the binds will be higher so you probably need bigger stacks.

Des, are you able to rebuy in Phase 2

If the stacks remained similar to the first round, then so would the blinds, obv.

But it doesn"t give it the feeling of a final table....

[Delboy]

Will there be anything in place to stop/ discourage players from "Hit & Running"? I fear there maybe a few..

[Des]

Will there be anything in place to stop/ discourage players from "Hit & Running"? I fear there maybe a few..

Players will have to pay the Grinder fee, so that should discourage Del.  But ultimately there won"t be anything to stop a players taking part walking away at any point in the game.

[Des]

Tighty and I have discussed your initial thoughts and he has a list of items to discuss with the casino, which we hope will further smooth the format.  Feedback from that will be posted here when those discussions have taken place.

[Des]

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What are the chances of arranging an "APAT - the cash game" at maybe the WCOAP. A standard cash game with some of the cash players from APAT playing against each other in a 50/£1 (under normal DTD rules) game would be good. We could have standard rake so it does not cost DTD anything and it"s not like they are going to be short on tables.

It would probably have to be NLHE (and maybe PLO) as this would make DTD the most money and players could make a donation to APAT at the end of their session if they wish (most players who win probably would). This would potentially make money for APAT and DTD whilst also giving APAT the cash game we have wanted for quite a while and also keeps the sharks away from our table (this might be a sticking point for DTD of course).

I would definitely come to DTD for this.

I think something related to cash at the WCOAP is a great idea.  How do you suggest we allocate those nine seats though?  I"m sure a lot of players would want to participate in something like this.

[Delboy]

Sort of related to this thread

What are the chances of arranging an "APAT - the cash game" at maybe the WCOAP. A standard cash game with some of the cash players from APAT playing against each other in a 50/£1 (under normal DTD rules) game would be good. We could have standard rake so it does not cost DTD anything and it"s not like they are going to be short on tables.

It would probably have to be NLHE (and maybe PLO) as this would make DTD the most money and players could make a donation to APAT at the end of their session if they wish (most players who win probably would). This would potentially make money for APAT and DTD whilst also giving APAT the cash game we have wanted for quite a while and also keeps the sharks away from our table (this might be a sticking point for DTD of course).

I would definitely come to DTD for this.

I think something related to cash at the WCOAP is a great idea.  How do you suggest we allocate those nine seats though?  I"m sure a lot of players would want to participate in something like this.

Run two tables over an extended period of time (multi-day) one a "must move", and one the "main" or "TV" table. By running 2 tables players will be required to play the mm table until a seat becomes available, their stack will then be more comparable to the average stack on the main.

[gianlucaragusi]

- Players can exit the game at any point, but in doing so they forfeit their Grinder payment.

an option a player can retire 50% of stack one time in the game ( or only spet 1 or only step 2 or everywhere)

to take  little profitt and continue to play

[TightEnd]

I don"t like this idea at all. I also don"t like the idea of APAT ever being targetted at "higher end cash players". The first A in APAT stands for "Amateur". To me that means recreational. Take all APAT branding off it IMO.
Per the OP this is pretty pricey (for APAT) at potentially £112.50 + raked pots. The dynamic feels very "gambly".
I (well we) were priced out of Manchester by the increased buy-in at both ME and side event. The APAT direction is all pretty worrying.
I appreciate that new ideas are always good but alas we"ll be watching with interest from the sidelines. GL.

I must correct this. APAT a Manchester was a Pro-Am, at £100, replacing a London event at £250. It was known that this one event would have a higher buy in since January. Hardly pricing people out of APAT, nor is it indicative of a different direction. Nor is a cash tour trial necessarily indicating a different direction either

We"ve already said that APAT Nationals in s6 will be £75 as before  

[TightEnd]

Sort of related to this thread

What are the chances of arranging an "APAT - the cash game" at maybe the WCOAP. A standard cash game with some of the cash players from APAT playing against each other in a 50/£1 (under normal DTD rules) game would be good. We could have standard rake so it does not cost DTD anything and it"s not like they are going to be short on tables.

It would probably have to be NLHE (and maybe PLO) as this would make DTD the most money and players could make a donation to APAT at the end of their session if they wish (most players who win probably would). This would potentially make money for APAT and DTD whilst also giving APAT the cash game we have wanted for quite a while and also keeps the sharks away from our table (this might be a sticking point for DTD of course).

I would definitely come to DTD for this.

I think something related to cash at the WCOAP is a great idea.  How do you suggest we allocate those nine seats though?  I"m sure a lot of players would want to participate in something like this.

Working at and watching the Big game at DTD in the summer there were a list of 40-50 players that played the game over 48 hours

It might be possible for a WCOAP cash game to construct a list of interested players, start a game with names chosen at random at a point in time and run it whenever DTD is open for a period of 48-72 hours with players leaving as they please and going to the bottom of the waiting list if they want to go back on later

[WASP]

Great idea and I like it in the OP format, let"s do this then make comment afterwards isn"t that the whole idea of a proof of concept?

Seat please Des  

[Des]

Great idea and I like it in the OP format, let"s do this then make comment afterwards isn"t that the whole idea of a proof of concept?

Seat please Des  

Good post.  We"ll be putting up a seat reserve list when the casino and Rich have finalised some further details.  Shout then.

[Fatcatstu]

Great idea and I like it in the OP format, let"s do this then make comment afterwards isn"t that the whole idea of a proof of concept?

Seat please Des  

sigh. How do you, of all people, make the most sensible post on a thread?!?!?!?

[ronaldo07]

Not going to Brighton but if I was I"d defo give it a go.

I reckon the rake taken at 9% in a 6 hour sesh would be around the £600 Mark if the pots are ave about £20 and 20-25 hands/hour

GL with this

Thanks Iain.

Chop that in half baby!!!!

5%!

[Curlarge]

been away for a long weekend so missed the start of this thread.
firstly i wouldnt favour a cash tour on principle that APAT is an amatuer organisation however my biggest gripe is that it definitely shouldnt start at brighton but only at events thatt are officially 2012 events.
the reasoning for this comes from a conversation that i had with des and a handful of very regular APATERs at manchester.
a side event for PLO was advertised for manchester on which basis people booked 2-3 nights accomodation, time off work etc. i knew of lots of people expecting the omaha game however due to a logistic error it was cancelled. after a discussion with des and the previously mentioned APATERs we were told nothing can be done however not to worry - this wont happen again in brighton. no worries time booked off work, train booked as well as accomodation and now no OMAHA again.
personally i think it is bad form to suggest this change for brighton and should be suggested for future events that people havent made financial sacrifices based on previously advertised itineries.

With respect to the above, I don"t think a Side Event was advertised &/or confirmed for Brighton.

I know Tighty was going to try to get something arranged (I haven"t bothered to read the whole of that thread again to double check) but, as I said, nothing was AFAIK ever confirmed....so perhaps booking on that basis was premature.

EDIT...Apologies...something was confirmed...

Also is there a PLO Event?

We will be looking to discuss an event for the Sunday with the Rendezvous, so confirmation to follow.  However, might test a different format, investigating now.

At the moment a £25 PLO is booked in, confirmed with the venue. Even if this changes (APATs choice) there will definitely be a side event on Day 2

Surely this handles that one? It says there will be a side event, just unconfirmed as to what it will be, Des even said they were looking at trying something different...

sounds like an angle shoot to me stu.............i based my comments on a conversation between myself, des, cularge, minttrav and a few others in manchester after we were infomed only on saturday evening that the omaha had been cancelled even though we had been lead to believe different. deja-vu

Mark - the conversation in Brighton was around the fact that APAT had advertised a specific side event for Manchester and then not put it on, which I apologised for.  I said we would look to avoid doing this in future, which we will.  However I did not promise that we would be running a PLO in Brighton.  as it transpires, we will be testing this new cash tournament format in Brighton and as per the above posts, we suggested from the outset that we were planning to test something new.  We have very few opportunities to test formats and this definitely needs to be ran prior to any launch being considered for 2012. 

Des

I need to clarify this point.

When we were discussion the PLO in Manchester, or lack of it, you did indeed apologise, but you also said, very clearly that there would be a PLO in Brighton as "previously advertised".  It was a few minutes after this that the post was removed from the Brighton thread which stated this.

I too enjoy PLO and am also very disappointed to be let down again.

[Marty719]

PLO or ROE cash game obv...