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Re: Live - how do you play JJ...
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2012, 13:00:24 PM »

It"s probably about time this got another airing, and in case you missed it the first time around...

[youtube=425,350] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP9CBtSW0kA [/youtube]


love that video... i laugh so much every time  :D :D
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Re: Live - how do you play JJ...
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2012, 13:25:37 PM »

His play wasn"t that bad-certainly not compared to yours pre :)      ouch!

Would be interested in the dialogue/tell that led you to believe he had a pair and no ace. I have zero powers in this respect so would appreciate knowing



I"m sure you"re far better than I am at assessing people"s ranges and abilities. I know the second sentence is intended as a rub, but fwiw there were a number of things that gave me confidence. He"d been chatty, and pretty open, showed his cards a couple of times and made comments about the play in other hands. All added together I didn"t see him 4betting without a pair. A decent pair at that.

Flatting the 4bet may be spewy - but what do we gain by flatting the initial raise?
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Re: Live - how do you play JJ...
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2012, 16:19:18 PM »
So u put him on a decent pair and 3 bet him with Aq?!?! Flatting keeps the pot small at a stage where u probably don"t want to play for stacks with Aq.
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Re: Live - how do you play JJ...
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2012, 17:27:22 PM »

So u put him on a decent pair and 3 bet him with Aq?!?! Flatting keeps the pot small at a stage where u probably don"t want to play for stacks with Aq.


No, I 3bet when he raises because I think AQ is decent against his raising hands with one limper and only me left to act. I"ve folded to his raises before.
When he 4bets is when I put him on the pair. 3bet folding doesn"t appeal much

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Re: Live - how do you play JJ...
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2012, 17:45:53 PM »


So u put him on a decent pair and 3 bet him with Aq?!?! Flatting keeps the pot small at a stage where u probably don"t want to play for stacks with Aq.


No, I 3bet when he raises because I think AQ is decent against his raising hands with one limper and only me left to act. I"ve folded to his raises before.
When he 4bets is when I put him on the pair. 3bet folding doesn"t appeal much




Which is why you should peel and fwiw 3 bet folding at 50/100 with AQ is miles better than 3 bet anything else
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Re: Live - how do you play JJ...
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2012, 18:26:01 PM »
When you put him specifically on a pair, how big a pair do you think he will 4bet with as opposed to set-mine with?  Assuming a standard player might 4b TT+, but call 99-, that might mean that his range is TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA (with your specific read of a pair), 60% of which you are crushed by. 


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Re: Live - how do you play JJ...
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2012, 19:18:40 PM »

When you put him specifically on a pair, how big a pair do you think he will 4bet with as opposed to set-mine with?  Assuming a standard player might 4b TT+, but call 99-, that might mean that his range is TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA (with your specific read of a pair), 60% of which you are crushed by. 




Well, when you put it like that...

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Re: Live - how do you play JJ...
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2012, 22:04:57 PM »

When you put him specifically on a pair, how big a pair do you think he will 4bet with as opposed to set-mine with?  Assuming a standard player might 4b TT+, but call 99-, that might mean that his range is TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA (with your specific read of a pair), 60% of which you are crushed by. 




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