The River (or...They always get there)

[WYoung83]

 Watchyagonnado??

[AJDUK]

Total tosh OP and some of the replies.

The last 4 LIVE final tables I"ve reached (excluding BCPC lol) I got AA once on each and been cracked each time. Sometimes the longshots come in. Sometimes they come in a few in a row. If you"ve ever tried FAV backing on the horses you"ll find that favourites never seem to come in!

Sure it sucks when it happens but it isn"t rigged. Some sites are luckier for some just like some underpants are lucky for others. Play where you feel better or luckier, but don"t blame the software, the dealers or anyone else but variance (or yourself).  

[Jon MW]

I"ve only been reg"d with Stars since week 1 of the online league and have to say I"m already sick sick sick, despite finishing 4th in the 1st online league. .... In that short time, and for the 5th time last night, I have lost after flopping a FH. I would never suggest for a minute that anything is rigged against me (why would it be), but I have no qualms whatsoever at suggesting that the cards dealt are nowhere near as random as it"s suggested. The large numbers of AA all in pre I"ve lost with is just horrible, way too often again (IMO) to be random
...

As a point of comparison I"ve been reg"d with Stars for several years and played a couple of thousand tournaments - and in my experience sequences of bad luck and good luck even themselves out so you end up with an overall range of expected values.

...The large numbers of AA all in pre I"ve lost with is just horrible, way too often again (IMO) to be random
...

This in particular just highlights that a lot of people have got very little idea about what "random" looks like and the nature of "randomness".

[Zozzy]

Total tosh OP and some of the replies.

The last 4 LIVE final tables I"ve reached (excluding BCPC lol) I got AA once on each and been cracked each time. Sometimes the longshots come in. Sometimes they come in a few in a row. If you"ve ever tried FAV backing on the horses you"ll find that favourites never seem to come in!

Sure it sucks when it happens but it isn"t rigged. Some sites are luckier for some just like some underpants are lucky for others. Play where you feel better or luckier, but don"t blame the software, the dealers or anyone else but variance (or yourself). 

I agree that Pokerstars is random and honest. Variance and bad beats are part of the game online, just as they are in casinos.

I don"t agree with the horse racing analogy though.
There are some right Bent B*stards paying to make sure the favorite doesn"t win  

[AAroddersAA]

My opinion fwiw is that pokerstars has probably the best card shuffled around and this includes live shufflers I never get outdrawn but I have seen some pretty sick stuff happen to others it is part of the game

[Foggy]

My opinion fwiw is that pokerstars has probably the best card shuffled around and this includes live shufflers I never get outdrawn but I have seen some pretty sick stuff happen to others it is part of the game

Do I detect a tongue in cheek, or are you GOD

[PHIL_TC]

Do I detect a tongue in cheek, or are you GOD

Steve does not joke. He won the $3000 Pot-Limit Omaha WSOP (Event #26) last year holding the 2 of clubs, a joker, a scooby doo top trumps card "scrappy doo" and a monopoly community chest "go back to Old Kent Road" card.

[AMRN]

Do I detect a tongue in cheek, or are you GOD

Steve does not joke. He won the $3000 Pot-Limit Omaha WSOP (Event #26) last year holding the 2 of clubs, a joker, a scooby doo top trumps card "scrappy doo" and a monopoly community chest "go back to Old Kent Road" card.

thanks Phil - just sprayed my pint all over my laptop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jbworldwide]

Do I detect a tongue in cheek, or are you GOD

Steve does not joke. He won the $3000 Pot-Limit Omaha WSOP (Event #26) last year holding the 2 of clubs, a joker, a scooby doo top trumps card "scrappy doo" and a monopoly community chest "go back to Old Kent Road" card.

How do I like this post?

[pokerpops]

 Easy to win when scrappy doo and the joker are wild

Online poker rigged?

Of course it is, proof here

http://www.billrini.com/2004/11/30/proof-that-online-poker-is-rigged/

[Santino67]

Easy to win when scrappy doo and the joker are wild

Online poker rigged?

Of course it is, proof here

http://www.billrini.com/2004/11/30/proof-that-online-poker-is-rigged/

LOL fantastic  

[Cyntaf]

What a great idea. Self protection. I seem to recall a young lad on Eastenders trying this. Mmm, come to think of it he didn"t turn out so good. Oh well just keep on taking the bad beats etc.....

LMAO at the picture.................Class!!

[Cyntaf]

Easy to win when scrappy doo and the joker are wild

Online poker rigged?

Of course it is, proof here

http://www.billrini.com/2004/11/30/proof-that-online-poker-is-rigged/

LOL fantastic  

+1 u is a funny guy Phil.

BTW Grant, a little suggestion for you my friend.

Take a few weeks off the poker, seems you may have other things on your mind. When you come back, all of those hands will be a thing of a very distant past. GL matey

[AAroddersAA]

My opinion fwiw is that pokerstars has probably the best card shuffled around and this includes live shufflers I never get outdrawn but I have seen some pretty sick stuff happen to others it is part of the game

Do I detect a tongue in cheek, or are you GOD

I may be god (as may you be at the same time) it would all depend on you perception but this is not the time or the place for that *lol*.

Sorry I made the last post on my phone on a train so it is not clear, to be honest I am a bit amazed we are even talking about this on this forum. Most of the big sites have good RNG"s but to the best of my understanding even the best of the best are not TOTALLY random but then again neither is somebody riffling a deck of cards, this is not an advantage to any one player of course. The Pokerstar"s RNG has been reported as one of the best around. I have played a lot on "Stars and it does not seem any more or less random than sites like Sky, DTD or live venues (if anything I would expect it to be better). I could tell you about bad runs I have had and good runs that I have had and they have more than less evened themselves out (actually I am sure I have run slightly above expected EV over my lifetime).

I would also say I respectfully disagree with comments above, some people are luckier on some sites than others. They are not, you can say they historically have been but this makes no difference to what will happen from this point onwards. Confidence may be affected of course so players who believe they are luckier on a certain site may actually play better on that site in which case playing there is correct but they are playing better not luckier.

Paul is right about taking a break sometimes. I have had to do so recently and it was only when I came back I realized how many simple mistakes I was making the bad luck feels worse when you are playing bad I find.

[Chipaccrual]

I can confirm, yes Pokerstars is rigged.

5 Handed in a SCOOP satellite.  Top 2 get $215 seats, 3rd gets $70

Hand One

PokerStars Hand #80422749877: Tournament #557157933, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2012/05/14 14:06:54 WET [2012/05/14 9:06:54 ET]
Table "557157933 1" 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: paulus777 (9023 in chips)
Seat 2: Chipaccrual (17596 in chips)
Seat 3: bartekowa (5580 in chips)
Seat 4: chuwanash (7833 in chips)
Seat 6: yor77 (14968 in chips)
paulus777: posts the ante 75
Chipaccrual: posts the ante 75
bartekowa: posts the ante 75
chuwanash: posts the ante 75
yor77: posts the ante 75
chuwanash: posts small blind 400
yor77: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [ ]
paulus777: folds
Chipaccrual: raises 2400 to 3200
bartekowa: raises 2305 to 5505 and is all-in
chuwanash: folds
yor77: folds
Chipaccrual: calls 2305
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chipaccrual: shows [ ] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
bartekowa: shows [ ] (a flush, Ace high)
bartekowa collected 12585 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12585 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: paulus777 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 2: Chipaccrual showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 3: bartekowa (button) showed [ ] and won (12585) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: chuwanash (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: yor77 (big blind) folded before Flop


Very next hand


PokerStars Hand #80422782095: Tournament #557157933, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2012/05/14 14:07:45 WET [2012/05/14 9:07:45 ET]
Table "557157933 1" 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: paulus777 (8948 in chips)
Seat 2: Chipaccrual (12016 in chips)
Seat 3: bartekowa (12585 in chips)
Seat 4: chuwanash (7358 in chips)
Seat 6: yor77 (14093 in chips)
paulus777: posts the ante 75
Chipaccrual: posts the ante 75
bartekowa: posts the ante 75
chuwanash: posts the ante 75
yor77: posts the ante 75
yor77: posts small blind 400
paulus777: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [ ]
Chipaccrual: raises 2400 to 3200
bartekowa: folds
chuwanash: raises 4083 to 7283 and is all-in
yor77: folds
paulus777: folds
Chipaccrual: calls 4083
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chipaccrual: shows [ ] (a pair of Tens)
chuwanash: shows [ ] (a flush, Jack high)
chuwanash collected 16141 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16141 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: paulus777 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Chipaccrual showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 3: bartekowa folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 4: chuwanash (button) showed [ ] and won (16141) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 6: yor77 (small blind) folded before Flop



From comfortable seat position to shortstack in two hands, runner runner flushed both times.

And out shortly after that  



Oh, and both players in the above hands won the seats.   Surprised ?