AQ stars 180 man

[Fatcatstu]

Right, just a couple of quick questions here.

Firstly, AQo. How do we play it pre flop to a raise infront of us?

Secondly, how do we repsond to the daft little bet on the flop which is called.

PokerStars Hand #80781784771: Tournament #563814264, $4.10+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/05/21 13:52:16 WET [2012/05/21 8:52:16 ET]
Table "563814264 14" 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: tinybomb (2898 in chips)
Seat 3: OranGe195 (3685 in chips)
Seat 4: x BTK x (740 in chips)
Seat 5: fatcatstu (2485 in chips)
Seat 6: rui_plasma (1257 in chips)
Seat 7: Jevgeni1986 (1005 in chips)
Seat 8: daobachilla (1865 in chips)
Seat 9: WSZ10 (1830 in chips)
Jevgeni1986: posts small blind 25
daobachilla: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fatcatstu [ ]
WSZ10: raises 100 to 150
tinybomb: folds
OranGe195: calls 150
x BTK x: folds
fatcatstu: calls 150
rui_plasma has timed out
rui_plasma: folds
rui_plasma is sitting out
Jevgeni1986: folds
daobachilla: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
WSZ10: bets 50
rui_plasma has returned
OranGe195: calls 50
fatcatstu:

[deanp27]

Pre is fine, I would now raise for value. In fact I would treat this min bet as a check and act accordingly

[Marty719]

Pre is fine, I would now raise for value. In fact I would treat this min bet as a check and act accordingly

+1.  Think flatting pre is probs optimal when all the info we have to go on is positional, and we have this stack size.

[Santino67]

Pre is fine, I would now raise for value. In fact I would treat this min bet as a check and act accordingly

+1, Any info on players Stu? The "daft" little bet is actually quite clever and can be very effective, especially if you"re original raiser and you missed or seen overcards to a PP. You can, alternatively use it to look weak when you"ve binked a smelly little set and it"ll keep people involved. Very dependant on how you read the 2 players in this spot IMO, but I"m also treating it as a check for now and jacking it up to about 450

[Fatcatstu]

Pre is fine, I would now raise for value. In fact I would treat this min bet as a check and act accordingly

+1, Any info on players Stu? The "daft" little bet is actually quite clever and can be very effective, especially if you"re original raiser and you missed or seen overcards to a PP. You can, alternatively use it to look weak when you"ve binked a smelly little set and it"ll keep people involved. Very dependant on how you read the 2 players in this spot IMO, but I"m also treating it as a check for now and jacking it up to about 450

The tournament hadnt been running that long, i had chipped up a bit being my usual self, and other people doing the spazzy mental play early on, so no real reads at this stage.

ok, next bit...

*** FLOP *** [ ]
WSZ10: bets 50
rui_plasma has returned
OranGe195: calls 50
fatcatstu: raises 506 to 556
WSZ10: calls 506
OranGe195: folds
*** TURN *** [ ] []
WSZ10: bets 150
fatcatstu:

[deanp27]

I mean KT is a fairly obvious hand but not as likely as AJ. Calling here isnt too bad but would probably put in a small raise and stack off.

[Paulie_D]

Pre is fine, I would now raise for value. In fact I would treat this min bet as a check and act accordingly

+1, Any info on players Stu? The "daft" little bet is actually quite clever and can be very effective, especially if you"re original raiser and you missed or seen overcards to a PP. You can, alternatively use it to look weak when you"ve binked a smelly little set and it"ll keep people involved. Very dependant on how you read the 2 players in this spot IMO, but I"m also treating it as a check for now and jacking it up to about 450

This...but the turn will be interesting.

in the absence of any information on the players I think it"s fine. With a little knowledge, a 3bet could be appropriate pre-flop as I think it will tend to polarise the hand you are up against.

This kind of smells of him flopping huge with JJ or QQ and falling prey to "fancy play syndrome". As played however, A raise is most definitely appropriate.

[Paulie_D]

Ok, you posted the turn while I was typing.

This smells even more like a set now. I"m proceeding very carefully.

[Marty719]

Meh - lots of ppl take this line for cheap showdown.  Villain only has 1100 behind here and we r very likely crushing his lead small/lead small range.  More than happy to raise get it in.

[Fatcatstu]

*** TURN *** [ ] []
WSZ10: bets 150
fatcatstu: raises 1490 to 1640
WSZ10: calls 974 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (516) returned to fatcatstu
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WSZ10: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Jacks)
fatcatstu: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
WSZ10 collected 3935 from pot

Paulie had it spot on! WP sir!

To be honest, i thought that AJ was a massive chance for him here, and expected to pick the pot up. This isnt a bad beat story, i am just generally pretty poor at online poker (cue comments about live poker too :p ) so wanted a check to make sure i wasnt playing the hand like an utter dick!

[Santino67]

*** TURN *** [ ] []
WSZ10: bets 150
fatcatstu: raises 1490 to 1640
WSZ10: calls 974 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (516) returned to fatcatstu
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WSZ10: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Jacks)
fatcatstu: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
WSZ10 collected 3935 from pot

Paulie had it spot on! WP sir!

To be honest, i thought that AJ was a massive chance for him here, and expected to pick the pot up. This isnt a bad beat story, i am just generally pretty poor at online poker (cue comments about live poker too :p ) so wanted a check to make sure i wasnt playing the hand like an utter dick!

After his call against your flop raise, ask yourself what hand would you make that call with. Would you make that call with AJ Stu and leave only 1k behind in hope you hit one of your 5 outs?

[Fatcatstu]

*** TURN *** [ ] []
WSZ10: bets 150
fatcatstu: raises 1490 to 1640
WSZ10: calls 974 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (516) returned to fatcatstu
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WSZ10: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Jacks)
fatcatstu: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
WSZ10 collected 3935 from pot

Paulie had it spot on! WP sir!

To be honest, i thought that AJ was a massive chance for him here, and expected to pick the pot up. This isnt a bad beat story, i am just generally pretty poor at online poker (cue comments about live poker too :p ) so wanted a check to make sure i wasnt playing the hand like an utter dick!

After his call against your flop raise, ask yourself what hand would you make that call with. Would you make that call with AJ Stu and leave only 1k behind in hope you hit one of your 5 outs?

Personally no. Good point.

I fear i may have been blinded by the bet sizing. That said, i dont mind terribly the way i played it, but there is definately something to look at going forward for me

[WYoung83]

just peel pre is fine when this deep. On flop pump it to about 250 (for value), and get it in if he check raises.

just read outcome. you done nothing wrong imo. I will say though that these tournys play way more nitty than the turbo 180 MTTs. If it was a turbo i would be 3 betting pre for value with a view to stacking off.

[deanp27]

Make a note and move on

[Marty719]

*** TURN *** [ ] []
WSZ10: bets 150
fatcatstu: raises 1490 to 1640
WSZ10: calls 974 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (516) returned to fatcatstu
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WSZ10: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Jacks)
fatcatstu: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
WSZ10 collected 3935 from pot

Paulie had it spot on! WP sir!

To be honest, i thought that AJ was a massive chance for him here, and expected to pick the pot up. This isnt a bad beat story, i am just generally pretty poor at online poker (cue comments about live poker too :p ) so wanted a check to make sure i wasnt playing the hand like an utter dick!

wpwp