Call or Fold

[nosey-p]

Local casino game, 220 runners we are down to 60. Top 36 get paid.

Blinds are 800/1600 no antes

EP calls the 1600 (22k), folded to me on the button, I have AQo so I make it 4800 (28k just below average stack). SB calls (70+k) so does EP. The flop comes down A 10 4 (2 diamonds). SB pushers all in, EP player calls, what do you do next, call or fold?

History
The EP player as not been at the table long so not much to go on but just before this hand her friend came over to the table saying she had just gone out, with that she replied "ok I won"t be long" She made the 1600 call but when I raised it to 4800 she looked uncomfortable but made the call. Also on the flop when SB pushed, she called (reluctantly) and pushed her chair back to get ready to stand up.

The SB has been at the table for a couple of hours and was the table chip leader. He had been using is chips to good effect, pushing people of pots without showing is hands so is call and then push was not out of character and what he has been doing 2/3 times a round.

So what would you do Call or Fold and why?

I have thought about this all week and have come up with good reasons for both the fold and call.

I will tell you what I did and why when you have had the chance to reply.            

[Marty719]

With ur reads it looks very like a call.  Seems like EP can have worse Ax hands as well as some 10x hands and f/d"s.  SB"s donk shove here doesn"t look like a big hand trying to get value, but more like a draw.  Would be an awful line in this spot with any hand>AQ.

[deanp27]

Jam pre possibly?

Meh I"d normally call because EP will have many smaller aces but i think you should pokerstove this. Sb"s range looks weighted towards draws and EP probably has a value hand of some kind. More I think about I might fold but in a live game you should have some idea of how strong they are likely to be.

I know this comp plays particularly shallow so alot of this comp is determined preflop, where the regs make loads of mistakes

[pokerpops]

I think I"m calling here

I"m not liking it much though - the possibility of a set and of A10 have to feature, but SB can have worse aces than us or a bare flush draw as can EP given the descriptions.

Do we have   ? That might change things a bit, not because it makes our hand better but because it"s not in either of opps hands and might reduce the chances of the FD being played so aggressively.

Is EP any good? Limp calling 44 as a set-mining exercise vs two players from that stack isn"t great. Limpcalling anything isn"t great. So maybe not so good. But lots of people would play 44 that way, and A10. I think tens is a limp shove so maybe rule that out. Calling reluctantly suggests Ax with the 10 being just one of the the x possibilities.

SB - from the description I"m a lot more inclined to think he has the draw than the made hand. If we beat him we"ll still have a shoving stack, if we beat both we"ll be new table daddy.

horrid spot but we"re ahead of a lot and only badly behind to the sets.

[nosey-p]

I had the

[AMRN]

With 17bb, and with 1 limper before me, I probably prefer to jam preflop.

As played, not sure why folding could ever be the right play tbh - you"ve committed nearly 17% of your stack with a strong hand, and you"ve hit the flop..... surely a fairly simple call, particularly with the reads you"ve noted.

[Sugarnes]

I call think most of the time I"m ahead but needing to dodge quite a few cards (poker stove suggestion good) .

Also

"With 17bb, and with 1 limper before me, I probably prefer to jam preflop."

+1 most of the time...but is it shameful to be considering a raise to induce a shove from SB here knowing you"d be quite good against his range??  What was your plan?

David  

[nosey-p]

If I said that apart from the chip daddy who is on my left the rest of the table was let's say below average in ability (my opinion) and I could out play them (again my opinion) would this make a difference in your decision to call or fold?    

[nosey-p]

I call think most of the time I"m ahead but needing to dodge quite a few cards (poker stove suggestion good) .

Also

"With 17bb, and with 1 limper before me, I probably prefer to jam preflop."

+1 most of the time...but is it shameful to be considering a raise to induce a shove from SB here knowing you"d be quite good against his range??  What was your plan?

David  

I will tell you my plan later when other people have had chance to reply

[Marty719]

If I said that apart from the chip daddy who is on my left the rest of the table was let's say below average in ability (my opinion) and I could out play them (again my opinion) would this make a difference in your decision to call or fold?    

Not when we are this short.

[pokerpops]

If I said that apart from the chip daddy who is on my left the rest of the table was let's say below average in ability (my opinion) and I could out play them (again my opinion) would this make a difference in your decision to call or fold?    

Not when we are this short.

nor when we have a fair likelihood that we"re ahead vs chip daddy and can seriously dent his stack

[nosey-p]

[Paulie_D]

[Sef]

Not really anything I can add that aint already been said. It"s a call for me, I think you"re probably ahead most of the time with them holding AJ, KT or draw type hands with the reads you gave.

[Swinebag]

Given your reads has to be a call.

Think I just shove this preflop though