The 2nd National Online League of Season 6

[MintTrav]

Personally think this type (B) leads to small cliques which is not what I understood to be APAT ethos. Also I suspect a few teams captains will cherry pick which will lead to a few very strong teams

I can see this - could have random allocation centrally to avoid cherry-picking?

Given their population in comparison to the regions of England is the problem not the lack of recruiting by the regions. Paul did a great job getting people to play for Scotland. Population of London is greater than my wee country.

Half your team were living in London.

[poker_jason]

Didn"t play nations cup.

Personally think this type (B) leads to small cliques which is not what I understood to be APAT ethos. Also I suspect a few teams captains will cherry pick which will lead to a few very strong teams (great if your in them). The remainder "weaker" teams, especially where they are "put" together, would probably just drop off ater a few weeks.

You may be interested to know that the team "put" together from the leftover players won the bronze medals in the national cup

Variance  

[BOINGBLITZ]

Option B.....this will avoid Countries playing Counties.

Having said that, can you try and include some means where the final games do not include just the teams with a chance of qualifying / winning as happened in the early rounds of The Online Cup?

[MintTrav]

A lot of people seem to not like the huge regions and would prefer a more local scenario - not micro-teams but something in between that keeps the advantages of both.

How about regional teams, but smaller regions, maybe centred around an urban area that contains a B+M casino, such as Luton, Cardiff, Walsall or Stockton?

[ck1888]

A lot of people seem to not like the huge regions and would prefer a more local scenario - not micro-teams but something in between that keeps the advantages of both.

How about regional teams, but smaller regions, maybe centred around an urban area that contains a B+M casino, such as Luton, Cardiff, Walsall or Stockton?

I see what you"re doing here  

[camking]

[Pianissimo37]

Guys,

We are planning on commencing the 2nd league of the season on Sunday 30th September 2012.

But we have a bit of a dilemna in regards to the structure.  We have two options that we have seen can work quite well for our players.

Option A

Keep with the regions format that proved a huge success during the first league, meaning 13 teams will compete each matchday for the 3,2,1 points system.  We would look to keep/recruit captains were necessary and players would be asked to participate for either their local or hometown region.

Option B

Follow the smaller team format used in the succesful National Online Cup.  In this case, we would have teams of between 4-6 (with only the top 4 scores counting).  All players would earn points from 1pt for last place, right upto maximum points for the winner (max score being the number of runners).  The top 4 scorers points would become the teams matchday total and that would be added to their running league total.


Whichever option we go for, the league will run for 15 matchdays, finishing in early February 2013, with added value seats for top teams and top individuals.


So, over to you.  We need some quick feedback over the next few days as to which option you would prefer.  If you say nothing, then you"ll never have a say.

We"re not putting it to the vote, but we"ll use the feedback as a basis for a decision.

All I would add is that we would like a competitive league that is well supported for existing and new players alike.


Many thanks,



Leigh

A would be good.

[AAroddersAA]

Option A with the same rules as before is almost certainly two league. Wales Vs Scotland for 1st and second and everybody else for third. Perhaps we would be surprised but I don"t see it being much more than that. I personally actually have no interest in playing in that again. Maybe removing the rule that players from all over the place can play for these "regions" if they claim to have been born there or to have once owned a sheep. Players should have to play for their local club, this has always been my belief.

Can we have captains and an NFL draft type system to select the players that could be cool and should create much more equal teams. Don"t know how logistically possible though. Or some other non-regional approach?

[camking]

Not too bothered about wales and scotland having more people. The populations of most of the areas were the same so if they manage to get more players then that is credit to them isn"t it.

If you were only permitted to play for the region where you lived, then yes, that would be fine.  That wasn"t the case - people could, basically, choose which region to represent regardless of where they lived.

[Chipaccrual]

Not too bothered about wales and scotland having more people. The populations of most of the areas were the same so if they manage to get more players then that is credit to them isn"t it.

If you were only permitted to play for the region where you lived, then yes, that would be fine.  That wasn"t the case - people could, basically, choose which region to represent regardless of where they lived.

Not completely true.  The choice was where you live or where you were born.

[Starshine]

If you were only permitted to play for the region where you lived, then yes, that would be fine.  That wasn"t the case - people could, basically, choose which region to represent regardless of where they lived.

I wish, but this wasn"t. People had to play of where they lived or been born. This was why suddenly a few people had to leave the teams they used to play for and had known people and had to built a team Europe, which is a huge region but not many players. Unfortunately I did not know any of this region, and most of them had the same prob, and most of them therefor not cared and could not bother to appear after a few games (started after the 2nd game). So region is not everything.
I think it is fine to choose a region of regardless where you live, but as I and others said before limit the amount of players, and if there are regions with lots of players just make more teams of this reason. Like 30 - 40 players a team, and than have Scotland A, B, C, D and so on.

I like the thought though of what someone has posted earlier, where you live, have been born or owned a sheep, lol within second i would buy me a sheep in the east midlands  

[MintTrav]

If you were only permitted to play for the region where you lived, then yes, that would be fine.  That wasn"t the case - people could, basically, choose which region to represent regardless of where they lived.

I wish, but this wasn"t. People had to play of where they lived or been born. This was why suddenly a few people had to leave the teams they used to play for and had known people and had to built a team Europe, which is a huge region but not many players. Unfortunately I did not know any of this region, and most of them had the same prob, and most of them therefor not cared and could not bother to appear after a few games (started after the 2nd game). So region is not everything.
I think it is fine to choose a region of regardless where you live, but as I and others said before limit the amount of players, and if there are regions with lots of players just make more teams of this reason. Like 30 - 40 players a team, and than have Scotland A, B, C, D and so on.

I like the thought though of what someone has posted earlier, where you live, have been born or owned a sheep, lol within second i would buy me a sheep in the east midlands  

[Rhino56]

If you were only permitted to play for the region where you lived, then yes, that would be fine.  That wasn"t the case - people could, basically, choose which region to represent regardless of where they lived.

I wish, but this wasn"t. People had to play of where they lived or been born. This was why suddenly a few people had to leave the teams they used to play for and had known people and had to built a team Europe, which is a huge region but not many players. Unfortunately I did not know any of this region, and most of them had the same prob, and most of them therefor not cared and could not bother to appear after a few games (started after the 2nd game). So region is not everything.
I think it is fine to choose a region of regardless where you live, but as I and others said before limit the amount of players, and if there are regions with lots of players just make more teams of this reason. Like 30 - 40 players a team, and than have Scotland A, B, C, D and so on.

I like the thought though of what someone has posted earlier, where you live, have been born or owned a sheep, lol within second i would buy me a sheep in the east midlands  

And I would be your shepherd Starshine

[cincicrappykid]

BEE

[gerry5421]

A for me
Couple of points
1. Seems Scotland and Wales are being criticised for having too many players and this affects the league.. Given their population in comparison to the regions of England is the problem not the lack of recruiting by the regions. Paul did a great job getting people to play for Scotland. Population of London is greater than my wee country.

2. If you go for the small team format over that length of time, player availability may become a big issue if teams have players who cannot play every week.

Time for a compromise

Yea was about to say the same , just catching up on the forum , and I read in this thread how much of an advantage Scotland , Wales etc had with team size , can i just say that we grew that size from nothing a couple of years ago through recruitment and promotion, to the team it was last year , and resent the comments of unfairness made.

Are we really going to go back down this road again , it seems that this discussion arises in between every league break and is becoming tedious to say the least. ,

Rant over , Option A for me ,