WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread

[Chipaccrual]

Well done APAT; this could be the best yet!!

Question regarding the Open event; Do you not think the structure is maybe a little shallow for such a relatively high buy in when compared to other events DTD run.

I appreciate its a late start and there"s a lot to cram in but can this be looked at?

We"ve had a response back from DTD.  They"ve had a look at the structure and run the numbers through.  They predict it will run for around 9hrs with a 3am-4am finish.  If anything, they would like to see a couple of levels removed, but I"d suggest we will leave it as it stands at the moment.

[Chipaccrual]

How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!

If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.

[Paulie_D]

How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!

If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.

I"m one...and I like to think I"m a discerning PLO Tournament player.....structure looks fine to me.

On the other hand...the Stud.  

[Bedzilla]

How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!

If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.

I play many live Omaha tourneys and this seems super shallow. Working on the basis of 1.08 million chips in play (108 runners) in 8 hours of play (level 16) there will be 100 BB in play or 33 each if 3 left. Is the tourney aiming to be over in 8-10 hours?

[Bedzilla]

On a completely different note................ Is there any way that the HU tourney may be increased to 128 runners if demand is such? It will only be one more round and will double the prize pool. If D2D are worried about the table space, they can always have 2 games running on each table with the dealers sitting between the 2 players (have played this way before to save on table space). Just a thought as I am on the waiting list for this and am keen to play in it!

[Chipaccrual]

How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!

If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.

I play many live Omaha tourneys and this seems super shallow. Working on the basis of 1.08 million chips in play (108 runners) in 8 hours of play (level 16) there will be 100 BB in play or 33 each if 3 left. Is the tourney aiming to be over in 8-10 hours?

To give you an idea of the timings using this structure :-

Season 5 WCOAP - 108 Runners - 11hrs play
Season 6 ECOAP - 81 Runners - 9hrs play

[Chipaccrual]

On a completely different note................ Is there any way that the HU tourney may be increased to 128 runners if demand is such? It will only be one more round and will double the prize pool. If D2D are worried about the table space, they can always have 2 games running on each table with the dealers sitting between the 2 players (have played this way before to save on table space). Just a thought as I am on the waiting list for this and am keen to play in it!

Appreciate the thoughts, but they already do this anyway with the tables.  Space is certainly not the issue.

The first Heads Up event we ran had 32 runners, last year we doubled that to 64 runners.  This year we have tweeked the structure to try and give a bit more play, but if we doubled the runnners, we would have to reduce the structures to get the games in on the Bank Holiday Monday.

It"s not as simple as saying it"s just one more round, you are actually doubling the number of games to be played.  We know it"s popular and are in discussions with DTD around all of the events to see if there is anything we can do to create more seats.

[AMRN]

How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!

If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.

I play many live Omaha tourneys and this seems super shallow. Working on the basis of 1.08 million chips in play (108 runners) in 8 hours of play (level 16) there will be 100 BB in play or 33 each if 3 left. Is the tourney aiming to be over in 8-10 hours?

I"ve reached the latter stages of this tourney in two of the last three years (yeah I know, blatant brag), and suggest that the structure is just about spot on.... it runs for around 10-12 hours, which for a £50 tourney is pretty decent.   Yeah it gets shovey for a while when it"s around 20-30 runners (from ~100-110 starters), but then all tournaments have their shove points.  I would love to see all tournaments play deeper... but I would also love to get to bed at a semi reasonable hour too.

[AceOnTheRiver]

Well done APAT; this could be the best yet!!

Question regarding the Open event; Do you not think the structure is maybe a little shallow for such a relatively high buy in when compared to other events DTD run.

I appreciate its a late start and there"s a lot to cram in but can this be looked at?

We"ve had a response back from DTD.  They"ve had a look at the structure and run the numbers through.  They predict it will run for around 9hrs with a 3am-4am finish.  If anything, they would like to see a couple of levels removed, but I"d suggest we will leave it as it stands at the moment.

Thanks Leigh, can"t do anything with the start time no?

[Sugar_Free]

For the ME - I think that"s the usual £75 structure. It"s £100 this time - can we have 20k instead of 15k?

Agree. The worlds were 5K more than the national events previously to reflect the higher buy in. Just because we"re getting better value in the nationals now, doesn"t mean we don"t want better, better value in the wcoap lol.

Any thoughts on this, guys?

[Chipaccrual]

For the ME - I think that"s the usual £75 structure. It"s £100 this time - can we have 20k instead of 15k?

Agree. The worlds were 5K more than the national events previously to reflect the higher buy in. Just because we"re getting better value in the nationals now, doesn"t mean we don"t want better, better value in the wcoap lol.

Any thoughts on this, guys?

The structure is already spot on from a timing point of view for two day ones and final day.  If we put another 33% of chips in play, this will add considerable time to the ultimate finish time, mostly because of the additional numbers brought back for the final day.

However we play about with starting stacks and levels, we have been running these for long enough now to have a very good understanding on timings.

Of course, if everyone promises not to play like the nittiest nits, we could give you all 50k to start and watch the carnage unfold  

[Sugar_Free]

For the ME - I think that"s the usual £75 structure. It"s £100 this time - can we have 20k instead of 15k?

Agree. The worlds were 5K more than the national events previously to reflect the higher buy in. Just because we"re getting better value in the nationals now, doesn"t mean we don"t want better, better value in the wcoap lol.

Any thoughts on this, guys?

The structure is already spot on from a timing point of view for two day ones and final day.  If we put another 33% of chips in play, this will add considerable time to the ultimate finish time, mostly because of the additional numbers brought back for the final day.

However we play about with starting stacks and levels, we have been running these for long enough now to have a very good understanding on timings.

Of course, if everyone promises not to play like the nittiest nits, we could give you all 50k to start and watch the carnage unfold  

With rebuys?

[Chipaccrual]

Well done APAT; this could be the best yet!!

Question regarding the Open event; Do you not think the structure is maybe a little shallow for such a relatively high buy in when compared to other events DTD run.

I appreciate its a late start and there"s a lot to cram in but can this be looked at?

We"ve had a response back from DTD.  They"ve had a look at the structure and run the numbers through.  They predict it will run for around 9hrs with a 3am-4am finish.  If anything, they would like to see a couple of levels removed, but I"d suggest we will leave it as it stands at the moment.

Thanks Leigh, can"t do anything with the start time no?

Struggling due to the number of tables earlier in the day as we have the 6 max and team event on.

[Peter Thorpe]

1. Could it be the worlds has finally outgrown one day events? I understand completely that the mere thought of this is a logistical ballache but it looks fit to burst!

2. I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event...if they ever make these 2 day events then maybe...i like the idea of a button posting antes early on, but that seems more suited to the HORSE comp than anything else...like i dont think its possible to give stud any more legroom, last time we played deep into the night and had very little time left (that said hitting the level cap sucked, could do with maybe 1 or 2 levels more in the middle somewhere? Id have happily finished an hour later than having 15 big bets / 30 small bets on the entire table)

3. Omaha"s fine, no reason to change that all that much

4. HU as 128 runners would be sick, i agree that double the prize pool is all lovely...but thats 64 dealers on 32 tables...sure not impossible seeing as its on the "quietest" day...but my god that"d be a nightmare from just about everyone"s point of view...i agree with leigh, they"d have to effectively nuke the structure to make that fit!

5. The main event structure is perfectly fine, sure because its a £100 it should have a better structure but again your looking at time constraints, maybe adding levels would work better, give it its own structure? would that make people happier? perhaps...but the event looks fine as it is.

6. Where"s my shootout events!

Basically its poker players doing what they do best, asking for immense structures in infinitely short timeframes...but guys seriously, it looks time, next season...to MAYBE turn this into a week long affair? i understand why its a 5 day series completely...but worlds? surely that one could justify a week or even more?

[Bedzilla]

1. Could it be the worlds has finally outgrown one day events? I understand completely that the mere thought of this is a logistical ballache but it looks fit to burst!

2. I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event...if they ever make these 2 day events then maybe...i like the idea of a button posting antes early on, but that seems more suited to the HORSE comp than anything else...like i dont think its possible to give stud any more legroom, last time we played deep into the night and had very little time left (that said hitting the level cap sucked, could do with maybe 1 or 2 levels more in the middle somewhere? Id have happily finished an hour later than having 15 big bets / 30 small bets on the entire table)

3. Omaha"s fine, no reason to change that all that much

4. HU as 128 runners would be sick, i agree that double the prize pool is all lovely...but thats 64 dealers on 32 tables...sure not impossible seeing as its on the "quietest" day...but my god that"d be a nightmare from just about everyone"s point of view...i agree with leigh, they"d have to effectively nuke the structure to make that fit!

5. The main event structure is perfectly fine, sure because its a £100 it should have a better structure but again your looking at time constraints, maybe adding levels would work better, give it its own structure? would that make people happier? perhaps...but the event looks fine as it is.

6. Where"s my shootout events!

Basically its poker players doing what they do best, asking for immense structures in infinitely short timeframes...but guys seriously, it looks time, next season...to MAYBE turn this into a week long affair? i understand why its a 5 day series completely...but worlds? surely that one could justify a week or even more?

Just in regard to the last comment..... I totally agree. It seems a shame to call this the WCOAP when there is a cap on players and only running one day events (except the main). It seems like only the people who hear about the release are lucky enough to guarantee themselves a seat. Perhaps next time you can look into running 2 day events with bigger fields to really challenge people.

Having said that, well done for all of the organisational effort you have put in, don"t wish to seem ungrateful for your hard work..........just a thought.