WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread

[AMRN]

1. Could it be the worlds has finally outgrown one day events? I understand completely that the mere thought of this is a logistical ballache but it looks fit to burst!

2. I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event...if they ever make these 2 day events then maybe...i like the idea of a button posting antes early on, but that seems more suited to the HORSE comp than anything else...like i dont think its possible to give stud any more legroom, last time we played deep into the night and had very little time left (that said hitting the level cap sucked, could do with maybe 1 or 2 levels more in the middle somewhere? Id have happily finished an hour later than having 15 big bets / 30 small bets on the entire table)

3. Omaha"s fine, no reason to change that all that much

4. HU as 128 runners would be sick, i agree that double the prize pool is all lovely...but thats 64 dealers on 32 tables...sure not impossible seeing as its on the "quietest" day...but my god that"d be a nightmare from just about everyone"s point of view...i agree with leigh, they"d have to effectively nuke the structure to make that fit!

5. The main event structure is perfectly fine, sure because its a £100 it should have a better structure but again your looking at time constraints, maybe adding levels would work better, give it its own structure? would that make people happier? perhaps...but the event looks fine as it is.

6. Where"s my shootout events!

Basically its poker players doing what they do best, asking for immense structures in infinitely short timeframes...but guys seriously, it looks time, next season...to MAYBE turn this into a week long affair? i understand why its a 5 day series completely...but worlds? surely that one could justify a week or even more?

Just in regard to the last comment..... I totally agree. It seems a shame to call this the WCOAP when there is a cap on players and only running one day events (except the main). It seems like only the people who hear about the release are lucky enough to guarantee themselves a seat. Perhaps next time you can look into running 2 day events with bigger fields to really challenge people.

Having said that, well done for all of the organisational effort you have put in, don"t wish to seem ungrateful for your hard work..........just a thought.

You have to remember that this is run on a shoestring. The buy ins are all kept "affordable", which means the juice is very low compared to other events that DTD run - they are not getting paid a great deal, but we"re asking them to provide a vast array of variants for five consecutive days. I"m amazed that we have what we have - to push for more would be perhaps a step too far.  I suspect DTD won"t actually make anything on the juice as it is - stretching it out over more days is just going to mean a need to push up the buy ins so that the juice pot is bigger..... and that would go against the APAT ethos of keeping poker affordable.

[Paulie_D]

I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event.

Has anyone even run the numbers of the revised structure I proposed?

Remember I made the stacks about 65% bigger but the blinds 100% bigger. Seems to me that the time-frame should be about the same.

[deanp27]

1. Could it be the worlds has finally outgrown one day events? I understand completely that the mere thought of this is a logistical ballache but it looks fit to burst!

2. I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event...if they ever make these 2 day events then maybe...i like the idea of a button posting antes early on, but that seems more suited to the HORSE comp than anything else...like i dont think its possible to give stud any more legroom, last time we played deep into the night and had very little time left (that said hitting the level cap sucked, could do with maybe 1 or 2 levels more in the middle somewhere? Id have happily finished an hour later than having 15 big bets / 30 small bets on the entire table)

3. Omaha"s fine, no reason to change that all that much

4. HU as 128 runners would be sick, i agree that double the prize pool is all lovely...but thats 64 dealers on 32 tables...sure not impossible seeing as its on the "quietest" day...but my god that"d be a nightmare from just about everyone"s point of view...i agree with leigh, they"d have to effectively nuke the structure to make that fit!

5. The main event structure is perfectly fine, sure because its a £100 it should have a better structure but again your looking at time constraints, maybe adding levels would work better, give it its own structure? would that make people happier? perhaps...but the event looks fine as it is.

6. Where"s my shootout events!

Basically its poker players doing what they do best, asking for immense structures in infinitely short timeframes...but guys seriously, it looks time, next season...to MAYBE turn this into a week long affair? i understand why its a 5 day series completely...but worlds? surely that one could justify a week or even more?

Just in regard to the last comment..... I totally agree. It seems a shame to call this the WCOAP when there is a cap on players and only running one day events (except the main). It seems like only the people who hear about the release are lucky enough to guarantee themselves a seat. Perhaps next time you can look into running 2 day events with bigger fields to really challenge people.

Having said that, well done for all of the organisational effort you have put in, don"t wish to seem ungrateful for your hard work..........just a thought.

Anything more than 1 day for £50 events and below is stretching it a bit tbh. Personally think it is very unique to have a £75 (or £100 event here) that is 2 days long. Personally I wouldn"t want to play stud (or any other game for that matter) for a day and a half to win a bowl. The structures are very good as they are imo and stretching it further just wouldn"t be economically viable.

[Slim Chance]

I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event.

Has anyone even run the numbers of the revised structure I proposed?

Remember I made the stacks about 65% bigger but the blinds 100% bigger. Seems to me that the time-frame should be about the same.

Yes I think the time frame should be about the same. It would definitely be preferable to "button bring ins" which i think is a terrible idea.

TBH, I think the original structure is fine as it is. In my experience most stud players prefer a smaller bring in, particularly in Razz where its virtually dead money.

[Peter Thorpe]

Like im not saying i dont appreciate all the work they do, nor am i saying that the structures at the moment are for the most part very nice...that said when an entire series of 10 events sells out before the first week is out...thats something that has to be noticed, sure some people wouldnt like two day events at the £50 level, but if it resulted in the event being bigger due to an increased cap then things start to change....or why not make worlds a tiny bit more expensive? would that satisfy people?...i dont know im just throwing ideas out there

[deanp27]

Bear in mind that although the reserves have been met in terms of numbers there is no firm commitment on the part of each player to actually play the events they have reserved and I would expect some fall out from this. Traditionally there has been space in the main and some dropouts from the side events when the comp actually gets closer, so I wouldn"t panic too much if you are on the waiting list (imo)

[Chipaccrual]

Just in regard to the last comment..... I totally agree. It seems a shame to call this the WCOAP when there is a cap on players and only running one day events (except the main). It seems like only the people who hear about the release are lucky enough to guarantee themselves a seat. Perhaps next time you can look into running 2 day events with bigger fields to really challenge people.

Having said that, well done for all of the organisational effort you have put in, don"t wish to seem ungrateful for your hard work..........just a thought.

This is the 5th annual WCOAP, which has been held at DTD for each of the past 4 years.  The dates for the WCOAP were announced early last year, emails went out to all of our membership, along with significant exposure across Facebook and Twitter.

On announcing the finalised schedule and releasing the seats, another email went out to the membership, along with even more Facebook and Twitter exposure, and numerous articles across the poker media.

It took ten days for all of the events to sell out, obviously some of the more popular ones sold out sooner, but even we were surprised at the speed of take up, especially as we have increased capacities since last year, with additional events.

One thing to remember here, this is the World Championship of Amateur Poker.  It"s aimed at amateur players that do have jobs and families and lives outside of poker.  All of our events are scheduled to cause minimal disruption to players work and other life commitments.  It would be great to run two day side events across a fortnight, but the reality is that it is not cost effective for APAT, any venue and most importantly, the players.

We"ll keep pushing the boundaries of what we can offer the poker community, but we will always do this whilst ensuring we don"t alienate those that have supported us for the past 6 seasons.

[Robbiebox]

Although the WCOAP has to be limited in its offering because of overybodys other commitments, I do think Peter has brought some interesting ideas forward that may well be worth forum discussion after Easter when we can see just how much demand there was and how successfully things ran.

[Chipaccrual]

Although the WCOAP has to be limited in its offering because of overybodys other commitments, I do think Peter has brought some interesting ideas forward that may well be worth forum discussion after Easter when we can see just how much demand there was and how successfully things ran.

Completely agree with that.

[Laxie]

Problem is, demand will always be there, no matter what way they work it. 

On top of everything else, we also have to keep in mind it"s a "staff" of only 3 who run around like headless chickens at live events.  Live updates and general PR is mainly covered by just those three.  And they have day jobs they need to get back to at some point as well.  

[jobsagoodun]

OK - I am going to properly brown nose here - but it is only because I think people need to take a reality check. Have a look around. There is nothing like this at any other casino, run by any other francise, for any buy-in as reasonable, at such an esteemed casino, in the country and probably in the world. I can"t believe people are nit picking about the format etc. To me it is absolutely 100% spot-on, well done to APAT and all who sail in her -Hey and at the end of the day, if you don"t like it you can always do something else !!!!!!

[chrish1976]

I think that the buy in should be £1000 for the main event and £250 for the side event as I have already won mine.lol

On a serious note I think for the buy in level for what we get in terms of poker is excellent, and the fact they listen so much to are view and opinions we should be grateful for. As for structures it does not affect me as I will not be still in at the end anyway.

[Sugar_Free]

Any satellites?

[Des]

Working on something Matt.  Details to follow.

[LB44]

Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?