With a hand that plays the flop so well, is it not worth flatting in position, keeping the pot small enough to make bluffs affordable post flop?
Not 100% sure tbh, are we deep enough for that? It feels like a fold to me but I can"t justify why calling is bad.
Based simply on our hand value, we are not deep enough to flat here, as a comparison, could we setmine?
You have this about face Steve, We need to justify why calling is good and to do that we depend on reads.
Its probably very marginal either way with little between fold, call or 3b. Villains exact position ie. mp1, mp2 or mp3 is important, I"d expect a wide range gap between mp1 and mp3 and expect a 3b to find considerably more folds versus your average default mp3 opening range. All that said, its probably best to wait till antes are in play when 3b bluffs become more profitable.
I think we can setmine here yes, 16.5/1 is just about good enough. I don"t think we should call with this hand though. The general consensus is that we should as I expected, I just have no idea why.
Lot"s of people have said flat but I don"t see why they want to do this. The hand plays badly post flop (it plays well if we are much deeper)
If we say that most opponents are raising 6% - 8% of hands at this stage of these things:-
88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+
You will only flop a hand that is ahead of an overpair on the flop about 7% of the time. Even when you do you don"t stack then often enough to make it profitable based on that.
You will flop a flush draw about 11% of the time and a str8 draw about 10% of the time. The problem is we are not deep enough for this to be of any use without reads. We will just lose more than we win against an unknown without reads. We can semi bluff and win smallish pots but when the money ends up going in we are a pretty big underdog.
Can somebody post some thoughts behind calling here? This seems to be a spot where everybody says it is a call, but nobody is sure why :-)
