Question for those that are folding the hand in the OP.
What range of cards would I need to have to make it a call for you, or is it a case of being unable to put him on a range, and therefore the risk of losing that amount of chips makes it a fold unless i"ve got kings or aces ?
Unless the villain has exhibited any tendencies otherwise, you should approach with a conservative mindset. Pushbot Spreadsheet
http://www.mediafire.com/?l1zlilcyjoj is worth having a play round with.
You have to call 87.5k more into a 102k pot. If Villain is shoving:
Top 7.5% (88+, ATs+, AJo+, KQs) -
AJs is a -cEV callTop 11% (55+,A8s+,KQs,ATo+,KQo) -
AJs is marginally +cEV (less than a 2% ROI on your chip investment)Do you have any evidence/feeling to suggest Villain is shoving any wider? If yes, then you still need to consider the ICM implications - they always exist. And then you have the BB to act behind you. And your chip position is more than comfortable. It"s still a very easy fold for me.
Gordon"s calling range is about right against an 11% shove range, giving you a 15%+ cROI.
There is and has been so much written about push/fold, aggression etc that blindly shoving 10-20BBs has become ingrained and a habit in many players. The biggest leak around imo, even in decent players, is incorrectly valuing stack size.
Of course if +2% ROI is the best spot you think you can obtain because you"re a fish (;)) - call away. Though against a DTD field you"re definitely better than that!