Poker Prop bet - anybody up for this

[KarmaDope]

Just to scare you all, I"m starting today. Good luck

[josharp01]

Outdraws left right and centre still on these!

Pretty sure my record of 18 games isn"t quite right Rodders....I couldn"t be so far down with that few games!

[AAroddersAA]

Asa, have corrected yours mate, thanks for letting me know.

I have played two today and bricked out both, will play some more whilst watching the GP later I think. I am now up about $40 so I am hoping for a good week to give myself the chance to challenge Mark and Paul, that will be hard though. Hopefully can do good volume.

Outdraws left right and centre still on these!

Pretty sure my record of 18 games isn"t quite right Rodders....I couldn"t be so far down with that few games!

You are quite correct, Thanks Jo. It should have been 43 games.

Don"t worry about the outdraws, they are normal and a lot of your games are going to end like this. The important thing is getting the chips in at the right time, it"s not even that important about being ahead as long as you are pushing. Even if you are behind you can still win. Also don"t be scared to push at around the bubble if it is correct to do so, don"t fold a hand that is ahead of your opponents range just to min cash as you don"t even double your buyin. You need to build your stack to give yourself the best chance of going to the top 3 or 4 places which is when you make your profit.

Just to scare you all, I"m starting today. Good luck

glglgl

Not that you need it in these, they are your game.

[TallPaul]

I"m making it very easy to challenge me.  Brutal day, I"m now down over $70 overall - maybe I am the worst reg ever  

[s4ooter]

The outdraws are vile, just play unexploitably and youll win in the long run

I used to play these constantly, and ive seen even the best regs do on 250 buyin downswings as its easily done.  A nice rule to remember in these:

You can shove ATC, bvb, with effective stacks of 11bb or less.

Yes, even 72o, 23o etc is +chipEV in the long run.  

[ajcairns]

finally got my first final table of the month, and a second, to drag me back a bit

[TallPaul]

The outdraws are vile, just play unexploitably and youll win in the long run

I used to play these constantly, and ive seen even the best regs do on 250 buyin downswings as its easily done.  A nice rule to remember in these:

You can shove ATC, bvb, with effective stacks of 11bb or less.

Yes, even 72o, 23o etc is +chipEV in the long run. 

This is all true, I"ve had many 100+ buyin downswings.  I play up to 20 tables at a time so I don"t even see most of the suckouts, but when I get down to the money I pull the tables out of the stack, so it"s particularly annoying when they happen at the last two tables.

Shoving any two from the SB is all good, but when you always seem to be dominated, or their ace rag always holds up and yours never does, you start to doubt yourself.

Anyway, rant over, back on the horse tomorrow.

[s4ooter]

Lol i was the same, 24 tables stacked on screen one.

Once on final 2 tables, id pull it to screen 2 so i can try and crush the FT bubble

[AAroddersAA]

The outdraws are vile, just play unexploitably and youll win in the long run

I used to play these constantly, and ive seen even the best regs do on 250 buyin downswings as its easily done.  A nice rule to remember in these:

You can shove ATC, bvb, with effective stacks of 11bb or less.

Yes, even 72o, 23o etc is +chipEV in the long run. 

This is all true, I"ve had many 100+ buyin downswings.  I play up to 20 tables at a time so I don"t even see most of the suckouts, but when I get down to the money I pull the tables out of the stack, so it"s particularly annoying when they happen at the last two tables.

Shoving any two from the SB is all good, but when you always seem to be dominated, or their ace rag always holds up and yours never does, you start to doubt yourself.

Anyway, rant over, back on the horse tomorrow.

Yeah they can be hard when you lose a few races in a row and can"t win with a rag ace or beat a rag ace in a BvB type spot. I was down $22.50 yesterday btw.

I suppose you just have to remember you get good runs as well as bad ones and when you run good if you are playing the right game in these you should be good for a deep run. They are not hard to beat in the long run, and the long run is not that hard to get too, if you really made an effort 500 in a month could be done by most of us.

The BvB shove is spot on, but you will not see many BvB spots as the antes go up really. If we know that our opponent is half decent and he shove 10BB effective into us BvB (with antes in play) what should our calling range be?

A2+, KQ and 66+ ??

[AAroddersAA]

Chance of something here 1/24 with 25K at 400/800/75

I will either go deep or crash and burn, smart money is on the latter *lol*

EDIT - Came 4th, lost a massive race for over half the chips 4 way. Still puts me around $50 in the black for this so far after 108 games played. If I win that race I should get at least second and am favorite to win it so pretty sure it was correct to get it in.

[AMRN]

The BvB shove is spot on, but you will not see many BvB spots as the antes go up really. If we know that our opponent is half decent and he shove 10BB effective into us BvB (with antes in play) what should our calling range be?

A2+, KQ and 66+ ??

Way too tight imo.  If we are near or in the money, then ICM has a significant bearing.... however if we"re still a way out, and we know the SB is a decent reg that will shove literally ATC when it"s folded to him in the SB (so long as the BB has enough behind to be able to fold of course), then our range to call in the BB should be pretty wide.  I would call with any J+ in this spot.

Against a truly random range, and with eff stacks <20bb, 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J2o+ has equity of 56.28%.  In these shovefest turbos, even if I believe I"m better than the field, I can"t fold a 56% edge  (unless ICM is factor nearer the money)

[hi_am_chris]

Not sure there are enough capable players to call with that range at this level for it to be profitable

[duke3016]

in the money for the first time, all in every hand after the break  

[duke3016]

5th - creeping up to just below zero  

[thegeezer2k]

playing a couple this morning, as i have a day off (albeit taxi driving) some sick bad beats -

AA raised to 3 x bb, utg, 2 mid positions limp
flop Ts pot 525 i bet 600 villain calls, other folds
turn i bet 750 which puts villain all in, he calls shows JK
river J

3 hands later get em all in pre with AQ (630) get called by KJ and A7
7 on turn kills me