Season Seven Seat Reservation

[AMRN]

Given that APAT has a Paypal account in place for the Staking arrangement, can we not utilise that?

Perhaps when reserving a seat, we send an amount (£5?) to APAT via Paypal, and if we turn up at the tournament, that £5 is shipped back after the event.... if we don"t turn up, it is retained.

Not sure how much admin that would invoke - is it possible to submit Paypal refunds in bulk?

I think PayPal would charge 3.4% +20p on those transactions Steve but not 100% sure x

I have a feeling the charges only apply when you withdraw the money from Paypal....  I believe that if you leave inbound transfers in your Paypal account, then outbound transfer them at a later date, there is no charge.  I may be wrong though.

[Curlarge]

Given that APAT has a Paypal account in place for the Staking arrangement, can we not utilise that?

Perhaps when reserving a seat, we send an amount (£5?) to APAT via Paypal, and if we turn up at the tournament, that £5 is shipped back after the event.... if we don"t turn up, it is retained.

Not sure how much admin that would invoke - is it possible to submit Paypal refunds in bulk?

Surely there would be no need to refund anything if we just paid the casino £82.50 when we arrive, less the £5 already paid to APAT.

APAT then only need make one transfer of (max £1000 for a 200 runner event) whatever the amount is, and the casino have all the money. Any no-shows lose the deposit and the casino keeps their £5.

[Des]

Steve - PayPal charge for all transfers, but nevertheless, it"s very unlikely they would allow us to do this type of transaction.  They don"t allow APAT to make seat sales via PayPal for example.

Jenny - We would review how any changes to entry policy work on an ongoing basis and amend accordingly.  However given the ability to keep seats on sale up to the day of the event, I would be very surprised if the overall impact was negative.

Rich - Yes you would pay the £82.50 to the casino as normal.  We would not be sending the reservation fee to the casino.  That"s an APAT / merchandising fee.

[PHIL_TC]

Given that APAT has a Paypal account in place for the Staking arrangement, can we not utilise that?

Perhaps when reserving a seat, we send an amount (£5?) to APAT via Paypal, and if we turn up at the tournament, that £5 is shipped back after the event.... if we don"t turn up, it is retained.

Not sure how much admin that would invoke - is it possible to submit Paypal refunds in bulk?

I think PayPal would charge 3.4% +20p on those transactions Steve but not 100% sure x

I have a feeling the charges only apply when you withdraw the money from Paypal....  I believe that if you leave inbound transfers in your Paypal account, then outbound transfer them at a later date, there is no charge.  I may be wrong though.

There is a "refund" fee charged by PayPal Steve.. presume this would apply from the T"s&C"s, but without trawling through not 100% sure.

"Refund Fee. Section 8.5 (Additional Fees) is amended to add a new refund fee. If you refund a Purchase Payment, we will retain the Fixed Fee portion of the Purchase Payment Fee. The buyer's Account will be credited with the full Purchase Payment amount and the Fixed Fee portion of the Purchase Payment Fee will be deducted from your Account in addition to the amount of the refunded payment. The Fixed Fee will depend on the currency of the Purchase Payment and is listed in 8.4(c)."

Given that APAT has a Paypal account in place for the Staking arrangement, can we not utilise that?

Perhaps when reserving a seat, we send an amount (£5?) to APAT via Paypal, and if we turn up at the tournament, that £5 is shipped back after the event.... if we don"t turn up, it is retained.

Not sure how much admin that would invoke - is it possible to submit Paypal refunds in bulk?

Surely there would be no need to refund anything if we just paid the casino £82.50 when we arrive, less the £5 already paid to APAT.

APAT then only need make one transfer of (max £1000 for a 200 runner event) whatever the amount is, and the casino have all the money. Any no-shows lose the deposit and the casino keeps their £5.

APAT would have to pay the PayPal transaction fees on each £5 I think mate so actually makes them worse off x

[fandango]

What about having a system of "three strikes and your out"?

If you reserve a seat and don"t show up for the event you receive a yellow card say you miss two you get red carded and have one more chance, reserve and miss another then your unable to reserve a seat, and have to rely on getting a seat at the casino on the day?..

Dunno if this is feasible with admin and tracking etc.. but a serious player would hate to say be sitting on a red card and the WCOAP comes along and they are one strike away from not being able to reserve a seat..

Say you reserve a seat and have to cancel you need to contact APAT within a specific time span..

Personally I am happy to pay the £5.. Or a one off season ticket membership

[SirPercival]

Auction the seats on eBay.

Might not solve all the problems but if the regs get into a bidding war it would generate a nice income for APAT.  

[MintTrav]

PayPal is free if you use your PayPal balance or your bank account linked to your PayPal account.

There is a charge of 3.4% + £0.20 if you fund a payment using a debit or credit card. You get a tick-box option regarding whether sender or receiver pays.

[AMRN]

What about having a system of "three strikes and your out"?

If you reserve a seat and don"t show up for the event you receive a yellow card say you miss two you get red carded and have one more chance, reserve and miss another then your unable to reserve a seat, and have to rely on getting a seat at the casino on the day?..

Dunno if this is feasible with admin and tracking etc.. but a serious player would hate to say be sitting on a red card and the WCOAP comes along and they are one strike away from not being able to reserve a seat..

Say you reserve a seat and have to cancel you need to contact APAT within a specific time span..

Personally I am happy to pay the £5.. Or a one off season ticket membership

Wouldn"t even need amber and red cards - just a case of if you don"t turn up for a tourney where you have reserved a seat, you lose the right to reserve again in current season.  After all, it"s not difficult to take your name off a reservation list if you need to pull out - it"s just simple courtesy.

Regarding a season ticket - not sure how that would get people to honour a reservation they make.... if there is a fee, it has to be on a per reservation basis.

[Moocher]

Ive spent 20 mins reading all this thread, and it seems to be going round in circles tbh.

I class myself as a recreational player, and attend 2/3 APAT events where possible.

Happy to send £5 direct to APAT bank account ( no fees)

I then register interest in Coventry,

I turn up at Coventry.

I still have my £5 credit at APAT

I register interest in Event 2

I dont turn up and fail to unreg

I lose my £5 credit.

I pay £5 direct to APAT and I can reg for another event.

At the end of the season, APAT keep my fiver and I do it again next season.

Any good? Or have I missed the point as usual ?

[AMRN]

Ive spent 20 mins reading all this thread, and it seems to be going round in circles tbh.

I class myself as a recreational player, and attend 2/3 APAT events where possible.

Happy to send £5 direct to APAT bank account ( no fees)

I then register interest in Coventry,

I turn up at Coventry.

I still have my £5 credit at APAT

I register interest in Event 2

I dont turn up and fail to unreg

I lose my £5 credit.

I pay £5 direct to APAT and I can reg for another event.

At the end of the season, APAT keep my fiver and I do it again next season.

Any good? Or have I missed the point as usual ?

Mooch - you would pay a new £5 every time you want to reserve a seat in advance...  so if you played 5 events in the season, and reserved a seat in advance for each of them, you would have paid total £25

[Paulie_D]

Ive spent 20 mins reading all this thread, and it seems to be going round in circles tbh.

I class myself as a recreational player, and attend 2/3 APAT events where possible.

Happy to send £5 direct to APAT bank account ( no fees)

I then register interest in Coventry,

I turn up at Coventry.

I still have my £5 credit at APAT

I register interest in Event 2

I dont turn up and fail to unreg

I lose my £5 credit.

I pay £5 direct to APAT and I can reg for another event.

At the end of the season, APAT keep my fiver and I do it again next season.

Any good? Or have I missed the point as usual ?

You know...this has possibilities..."Rolling Registration"

I"m not sure how much work it would take to administer but it"s better than the £5 an event option.

"Use It or Lose it" combined with "Abuse It and Lose It"

[Moocher]

Steve

Yes I know, and I would be against that option, however a ""rolling"" £5 may be another option I thought

Any funds I lose by failing to unregister etc would at least go direct to APAT with no 3rd party fees.

Im not really into paying extra reg fees that do not go into a prizepool

[Moocher]

Ive spent 20 mins reading all this thread, and it seems to be going round in circles tbh.

I class myself as a recreational player, and attend 2/3 APAT events where possible.

Happy to send £5 direct to APAT bank account ( no fees)

I then register interest in Coventry,

I turn up at Coventry.

I still have my £5 credit at APAT

I register interest in Event 2

I dont turn up and fail to unreg

I lose my £5 credit.

I pay £5 direct to APAT and I can reg for another event.

At the end of the season, APAT keep my fiver and I do it again next season.

Any good? Or have I missed the point as usual ?

You know...this has possibilities..."Rolling Registration"

I"m not sure how much work it would take to administer but it"s better than the £5 an event option.

"Use It or Lose it" combined with "Abuse It and Lose It"

Paulie
I think you understand what Im trying to say
Once I have played in Coventry, I have a "credit" which I dont really want to waste so I would look at future events.
If I dont use it, then APAT make a small profit instead of a casino or money transfer site

APAT can then clear the list and start it again at the seasons end

[AMRN]

I think that"s a great idea!

[Laxie]

YAY!!!  That"s an EXCELLENT idea imo!  Was beginning to lose hope that we were getting anywhere with this, but not now.  Cheers Moocher!