UKCOAP Day 3 - Main Event Day 1 / Hi Roller

[MarkTheShark]

Tournament goes into L3 - 16k av stack now.

[MarkTheShark]

Hand Action :

Table 38 -

Nicholas Flanagan and Glenn Barratt tangle - Nicholas fires 1k at the flop after Glenn checks, which is showing 46Q, but Glenn immediately re-pops to 2k - Nicholas looks bemused but calls nonetheless.

Turn brings a 5 - Glenn fires 2200 - Nicholas looks even more bemused but this time finds a fold, and Glenn takes the pot down.



Glenn Barratt

Over to Table 11, and Carl Pilgrim raises from mid position to 500 - folded round to the BB of Jonathan Gill who defends.

They both check the flop of 754 - Jonathan then checks when an Ace develops on the turn - Carl bets 600 - Jonathan folds and nods as Carl flashes his Ace to take the pot.



Carl Pilgrim

[MarkTheShark]

Ten minutes from end of Level 3 and first break - currently showing 174/186 players still going - those eliminated so far :

172    Stephen Jones
173    Jamie Southall
174    Michael Varnham
175    Glenn Barratt
176    Patricia Anne Baggott
177    Algirdas Petronis
178    Ian Szerlowski
179    Daniel Brown
180    Michael Perry
181    Joe Smith
182    Andrew Bailess
183    Anonymous
184    Graham Chandler
185    Arnold Baggott
186    Stephen Hetherington

[MarkTheShark]

Ian Szerlowski
Marcin Rejmak
Mike Scothern

They will be the top 3!

Sadly not - Ian gone already!

[AJDUK]

Question for discussion - views/comments welcome :

Dealer dealing hole cards (as he does!) accidently flips a card - and immediately retracts the card, saying its the first burn.

If the player to whom it was dealt says "thats my card, i want it - i dont care if all the table knows i have it" should he be allowed to keep it and play continue?

Should the player be allowed the option of keeping that card - on the basis it was his but dealer error has caused them not to get it?

Short answer is no. It can create an unfair advantage. You can"t show cards at any point in the hand and this situation shouldn"t be treated any differently.

[Laxie]

Question for discussion - views/comments welcome :

Dealer dealing hole cards (as he does!) accidently flips a card - and immediately retracts the card, saying its the first burn.

If the player to whom it was dealt says "thats my card, i want it - i dont care if all the table knows i have it" should he be allowed to keep it and play continue?

Should the player be allowed the option of keeping that card - on the basis it was his but dealer error has caused them not to get it?

Short answer is no. It can create an unfair advantage. You can"t show cards at any point in the hand and this situation shouldn"t be treated any differently.

What he said

[Santino67]

Question for discussion - views/comments welcome :

Dealer dealing hole cards (as he does!) accidently flips a card - and immediately retracts the card, saying its the first burn.

If the player to whom it was dealt says "thats my card, i want it - i dont care if all the table knows i have it" should he be allowed to keep it and play continue?

Should the player be allowed the option of keeping that card - on the basis it was his but dealer error has caused them not to get it?

Short answer is no. It can create an unfair advantage. You can"t show cards at any point in the hand and this situation shouldn"t be treated any differently.

What he said

And what they both said  

[adilong1]

Wayne Parker
Chris Hiam
Barry Simpson
Stuart Oliver

Please

[MarkTheShark]

Question for discussion - views/comments welcome :

Dealer dealing hole cards (as he does!) accidently flips a card - and immediately retracts the card, saying its the first burn.

If the player to whom it was dealt says "thats my card, i want it - i dont care if all the table knows i have it" should he be allowed to keep it and play continue?

Should the player be allowed the option of keeping that card - on the basis it was his but dealer error has caused them not to get it?

Short answer is no. It can create an unfair advantage. You can"t show cards at any point in the hand and this situation shouldn"t be treated any differently.


Im not saying youre wrong - i just think this is an interesting case - but how - if the whole table knows what the card is - can it create an "unfair" advantage - bearing in mind the player who is denied the card should also not be advantaged or disadvantaged as much as any other player - and he has done nothing wrong himself.

[MarkTheShark]

Wayne Parker
Chris Hiam
Barry Simpson
Stuart Oliver

Please

All still going - some better than others!

Wayne Parker - 10k
Chris Hiam - 34k
Barry Simpson - 11k
Stuart Oliver - 20k

[jon_garrett]

James Edwards
Martyn Sharp

please.

[MarkTheShark]

Lewis Laker, Richard Baker and Paul McGuinness down



Lewis Laker

[Laxie]

Question for discussion - views/comments welcome :

Dealer dealing hole cards (as he does!) accidently flips a card - and immediately retracts the card, saying its the first burn.

If the player to whom it was dealt says "thats my card, i want it - i dont care if all the table knows i have it" should he be allowed to keep it and play continue?

Should the player be allowed the option of keeping that card - on the basis it was his but dealer error has caused them not to get it?

Short answer is no. It can create an unfair advantage. You can"t show cards at any point in the hand and this situation shouldn"t be treated any differently.

Im not saying youre wrong - i just think this is an interesting case - but how - if the whole table knows what the card is - can it create an "unfair" advantage - bearing in mind the player who is denied the card should also not be advantaged or disadvantaged as much as any other player - and he has done nothing wrong himself.

No cards should be seen until showdown.  He"s not being penalised as such.  He"s being "protected".  Knowing what one player has (or half of what they have) can be an "unfair" advantage to the others in the hand.

[AJDUK]

Question for discussion - views/comments welcome :

Dealer dealing hole cards (as he does!) accidently flips a card - and immediately retracts the card, saying its the first burn.

If the player to whom it was dealt says "thats my card, i want it - i dont care if all the table knows i have it" should he be allowed to keep it and play continue?

Should the player be allowed the option of keeping that card - on the basis it was his but dealer error has caused them not to get it?

Short answer is no. It can create an unfair advantage. You can"t show cards at any point in the hand and this situation shouldn"t be treated any differently.

Im not saying youre wrong - i just think this is an interesting case - but how - if the whole table knows what the card is - can it create an "unfair" advantage - bearing in mind the player who is denied the card should also not be advantaged or disadvantaged as much as any other player - and he has done nothing wrong himself.

A number of reasons, but the most obvious being that he would reject all deuces and keep all aces. All kinds of angles could be created on both sides by allowing an option.

[MarkTheShark]

hes being penalised by not being given the card he was due to have through no fault of his own - which could be a premium or strong starting hand.

should the player not be given the option?

i do like playing devils advocate!