JM 01/10 Hand 2 Playing a nut flush draw oop with 2 oppos.

[Charlie44]

Just post the hand here without my thoughts initially. Interesting hand I believe. How did I play each street ? Anybody fancy playing guess the villain"s hands ?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: $7.10
SB: $4.90
BB: $12.79
UTG: $10.58
UTG+1: $42.01
UTG+2: $10.00
Hero (MP): $10.66
MP+1: $12.38
CO: $7.72

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.25, MP+1 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, fold, fold, fold

Flop : ($0.90, 3 players)
Hero bets $0.34, MP+1 calls $0.34, CO raises to $1.28, Hero calls $0.94, MP+1 calls $0.94

Turn : ($4.74, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 checks, CO bets $2.72, Hero calls $2.72, MP+1 raises to $5.44, CO raises to $6.19 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.47, MP+1 calls $0.75

River : ($23.31, 3 players)
Hero bets $2.94 and is all-in, MP+1 calls $2.94

[Swinebag]

Is 2.5x open standard in cash games these days? If so then pre is fine but I prefer 3x.
I bet more otf ($0.5) and I also call the raise. No need to pile as you lose value and are only getting called by monsters

MP cr ott is a problem but you are too deep in the hand now to fold

nice river!!

Would not play this hand any different. Do not like "guess the hand" threads but you won so I will have a go at:


c/o KQdd
MP+1 3c3s

Given the question I am being too generous to the villains, but we have to start somewhere

[Charlie44]

Is 2.5x open standard in cash games these days? If so then pre is fine but I prefer 3x.

Thanks for the feedback. I have been experimenting a bit with bet sizing. I have also tried some min raising. I have been comparing then benefits of getting folds with less risk when you are purely stealing to having bigger pots when you get called and have a hand.

Many people tend to raise the standard amount for the table. In your opinion is there an advantage in doing that ?

[TheSnapper]

As far as pfr size, I like to 3x and reduce to 2.2x on the button where our range is weakest, we lose less when we raise fold, which is often.

Prefer 45c to 60c flop bet with our draw. The 34c flop bet is a tad weak and can induce a raise which is not good for us.

On the turn I think it"s a mistake to not have mp1 all in and we risk not getting the extra $2.94 when the flush hits.

MP1: QT,Q9,T9,TJ.
CO: TT,JJ,QQ,Kx

[AAroddersAA]

Not looked at this hand properly yet but just going by instinct the turn looks like a fold?

Will try and respond better later

[Charlie44]

Just as an update MP+1 had AKo and co had QJ diamonds.

I take Steves point about poss being a fold on turn and I think its close. It all depends on MP+1"s action. I think if he calls then I certainly had implied odds to hit river. If MP+1 folds then I probably don"t quite have the implied odds assuming as may have been reasonable at the time that CO has set and I have only 8 outs rather than 9. The worst scenario is of  course if MP+1 check raises all in.  So I think it was just the right call given the info I had at the time.

I thought it was really bad play by cutoff on turn. Given the action he should not have believed he could get both of us to fold the turn.