APAT Glasgow Discussion

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Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?

Please see the new addition to the Player Briefing which should clarify things for you:

Registered players (and ALL players MUST register on the day) who have not taken their seat by the start of the first break, will have their chips removed from the event and their seat immediately made available for late-entrants/Alternates (who may join DURING the break).

This suggests that the travelling/late player must have registered at the casino before the start of play.
You haven"t answered the question of whether players can register for other players in their absence.

I thought this was not allowed

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[IrishTom]

oh dear - I do seem to have got confused - bear with me please...

[AJDUK]

I can honestly say that if I have pre-paid to enter an event, I have never ever then had to register at the cash desk on the day, I just go and find my seat.

This has happened to me once and once only. Worryingly it was the APAT Omaha event at DTD at the end of August, so maybe there is a precedent here. Was told to register at the cash desk even though I had bought in online days before. Others that were told to do the same were as surprised as I was. I didn"t ask what would have happened if I"d have not done this, since I was there anyway so registering was no problem. The event didn"t sell out so there were no alternates to find seats for, but boy there would have been some pissed off people if it had have sold out and they had been withdrawn with no refund for being 10 minutes late.

The new "rule" if there is one seems to be related to introduction of the reserve a seat for £5 option. If you pay a fiver and are not there at the start then you lose the fiver. I think we can all accept that. But can someone else pay the full fee for you and register you? Would that be a new rule? At some places this wouldn"t even be possible without a players card.

But if someone has paid the full fee or won a seat in advance and is late their money is in the prize pool. The should at the very least be given till the first break to get there and asking them to register at the casino before the event starts or lose the buy-in is just plain daft.

[Curlarge]

I can honestly say that if I have pre-paid to enter an event, I have never ever then had to register at the cash desk on the day, I just go and find my seat.

This has happened to me once and once only. Worryingly it was the APAT Omaha event at DTD at the end of August, so maybe there is a precedent here. Was told to register at the cash desk even though I had bought in online days before. Others that were told to do the same were as surprised as I was. I didn"t ask what would have happened if I"d have not done this, since I was there anyway so registering was no problem. The event didn"t sell out so there were no alternates to find seats for, but boy there would have been some pissed off people if it had have sold out and they had been withdrawn with no refund for being 10 minutes late.

The new "rule" if there is one seems to be related to introduction of the reserve a seat for £5 option. If you pay a fiver and are not there at the start then you lose the fiver. I think we can all accept that. But can someone else pay the full fee for you and register you? Would that be a new rule? At some places this wouldn"t even be possible without a players card.

But if someone has paid the full fee or won a seat in advance and is late their money is in the prize pool. The should at the very least be given till the first break to get there and asking them to register at the casino before the event starts or lose the buy-in is just plain daft.

I think that is a huge understatement. IMHO, crazy suggestion, crazy rule and only going to send people elsewhere in the long term.

[IrishTom]

[ian.ski309]

The new "rule" if there is one seems to be related to introduction of the reserve a seat for £5 option. If you pay a fiver and are not there at the start then you lose the fiver.

As I understand it you lose the fiver whether you turn up or not...  

[IrishTom]

Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?

To clarify -

the Eventbrite "reserve a seat" facility guarantees a player a seat for a cost of £5 which needs to be paid immediately to Eventbrite - this fee is non-refundable whether the player turns up or not.

thereafter, those who have used Eventbrite need to register within the timeframe at the venue and pay the full buyin of £75+£7.50 there and then, in person, otherwise they would have to take the chance of getting in as a Late Entry (if the event is not full - but I strongly believe it will be) which can be up to and including the first break (after 3 levels of play) or as an Alternate (if the event is full) which can be up to and including the first break if a seat becomes available before play re-commences - an "Alternates List" will be maintained on a first-come-first-served (in person) basis.

[SirPercival]

Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?

To clarify -

the Eventbrite "reserve a seat" facility guarantees a player a seat for a cost of £5 which needs to be paid immediately to Eventbrite - this fee is non-refundable whether the player turns up or not.

thereafter, those who have used Eventbrite need to register within the timeframe at the venue and pay the full buyin of £75+£7.50 there and then, in person, otherwise they would have to take the chance of getting in as a Late Entry (if the event is not full - but I strongly believe it will be) which can be up to and including the first break (after 3 levels of play) or as an Alternate (if the event is full) which can be up to and including the first break if a seat becomes available before play re-commences.

So paying £5 to guarantee a seat doesn"t actually guarantee a seat.

[IrishTom]

Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?

To clarify -

the Eventbrite "reserve a seat" facility guarantees a player a seat for a cost of £5 which needs to be paid immediately to Eventbrite - this fee is non-refundable whether the player turns up or not.

thereafter, those who have used Eventbrite need to register within the timeframe at the venue and pay the full buyin of £75+£7.50 there and then, in person, otherwise they would have to take the chance of getting in as a Late Entry (if the event is not full - but I strongly believe it will be) which can be up to and including the first break (after 3 levels of play) or as an Alternate (if the event is full) which can be up to and including the first break if a seat becomes available before play re-commences.

So paying £5 to guarantee a seat doesn"t actually guarantee a seat.

It does - it guarantees you your seat without having to turn up on the day and hope for the best - but you have to pay for it - on time - and if you haven"t paid for it, on time, you lose it

[Scousebill]

I"m finding this difficult to understand what the issue is here...

£5 guarantees you a seat, which you have to pay for in advance of the tournament starting.

It does not guarantee you a seat for you to turn up and pay within 5 minutes of the first break.

But I think we have gone a long way from what ian.ski309 initially asked... "Can he pay the entry fee for his friend because he does not think he might make it in time, or does it have to actually be paid in person by the actual cardplayer?"

[IrishTom]

Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?

Ian, thinking further on this (now that I"ve clarified the position on pre-bought-in players do NOT have to register on the day an chips will remain in play) - as long as the venue requirements are met (eg does a player need to show ID to register) then yes, as long as a player "is registered and bought in" then their chips will remain in play - and a player does not need to register in person from an APAT pov (again I emphasise subject to meeting any requirements of the venue)