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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2013, 20:59:59 PM »
I agree with everyone. Let"s all be nice again.

Seriously, I agree with everyone. Des, Steve, Gordon. The £5 fee only becomes a problem for me when it"s released before a full buy-in option. I"m happy to pay a long time in advance and I would resent the only option available costing me an extra fiver when I"m happy for APAT to have the full whack 3 months prior to buy in.
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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2013, 21:09:31 PM »
So far managed to play everything i want to without reserving but i think Glasgow could be the exception where i just end up railing.

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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2013, 21:14:13 PM »
"Not sure why such an aggressive tone was taken by Gordon and Paul, but you are way off the mark if you think this is a stealth tax or whatever".

I dont like the £5 booking fee either, but the tones taken on this thread are quite ridiculous and totally unjustified, regardless of how many people "allegedly" agree with them.

I think Des" offer to run a freeroll for the funds it produced, for those that are in this event, pretty much sum up how much it means in the big scheme of things and makes the comments look even more stupid.

Added :- tbh I"d prefer the money to go to Carl"s charity rather than a freeroll, at least that way some good will come of this thread.

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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2013, 21:15:43 PM »
I get that the £5 booking fee is not popular with some people ( maybe lots of people ).

Personally I haven"t used the option yet and may never use it, but I do feel that having it there may prove beneficial at some time in the future.

But I don"t get the outright disgust at something that is simply an alternative option, if you don"t like the option don"t use it.
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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2013, 21:20:04 PM »

So far managed to play everything i want to without reserving but i think Glasgow could be the exception where i just end up railing.


You are welcome to my seat, I paid the £5 to reserve one and am now obviously too skint to pay the buy in.....


lol at the raging over a fiver.

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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2013, 21:22:58 PM »

I agree with everyone. Let"s all be nice again.

Seriously, I agree with everyone. Des, Steve, Gordon. The £5 fee only becomes a problem for me when it"s released before a full buy-in option. I"m happy to pay a long time in advance and I would resent the only option available costing me an extra fiver when I"m happy for APAT to have the full whack 3 months prior to buy in.


This really. I read some of the other thread and even comprised a response one evening but lost it somehow before posting.

I"d much prefer to be able to fully register for an event I intend on playing - preferably via a single APAT site with the ability to unregister (up to a specified time in advance to meet APATs Admin needs) thus guaranteeing my seat without the "Reserve a Seat" Function or Extra cost.

Just seems distasteful from a players perspective - I remember some reasoned arguments of why, but ultimately we are still players and its an extra cost (regardless of how small) especially for those travelling.

I don"t mind the Reserve a SEAT function for those that don"t want to Reg online. But both options should be available at same point in time.


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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2013, 22:00:35 PM »


I"d much prefer to be able to fully register for an event I intend on playing - preferably via a single APAT site with the ability to unregister (up to a specified time in advance to meet APATs Admin needs) thus guaranteeing my seat without the "Reserve a Seat" Function or Extra cost.

I don"t mind the Reserve a SEAT function for those that don"t want to (Mini-edit or can"t) Reg online. But both options should be available at same point in time.




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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2013, 22:11:16 PM »
This is the 1st time I"ve used the "reserve a seat" option and I"d happily use it again, the main reason being i work  monday to friday 8-5 and the holding tank opened at 12 noon today , making it impossible for me to buyin direct, if it wasn"t for the reserve a seat option I wouldn"t be playing this tourney
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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2013, 22:14:10 PM »
no offence meant Des but my description was meant to generatde a reaction
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2013, 23:05:49 PM »
I`ve used it three times now. The earlier I can get a seat, the earlier I can book a flight and hotels, so I end up saving money by getting a cheaper rate for booking far in advance. (eg Paulie`s tip on aer lingus tax only flights, thank you)
I would prefer to buy in with the full amount as far in advance as possible but the £5 booking fee does what I need it to do. After all it only equates to a pint of Guinness in Larry Murphy`s.
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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2013, 23:55:12 PM »
The charge is there to ensure players don"t reserve without being fairly certain they intend to travel.  And those that do travel do so in the knowledge that they have a seat locked up and can plan their travel and accommodation in advance.


They"d be able to do this having paid the full amount beforehand too (and wouldn"t have to be at the venue over an hour early). Why don"t those that want to prepay have the same flexibility?
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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2013, 00:09:13 AM »
Are we seriously seeing this amount of bed-wetting over a fiver?

Some absolutely ridic over reacting going on here, if there is something to be said, can it not be said without all the hysteria and gnashing of teeth?

Des/ APAT have always listened to all points of view in the past, without the need to try and organise some kind of revolution. Not sure its needed here.
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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2013, 03:02:54 AM »
Aggressive? No. Meant to get a reaction? yes. If telling you how it is is seen as being aggressive then I think thats got more to do with defensive posturing imho, but I certainly do not in any way mean this to be aggressive, I"m just telling you how I feel.

If you actually read what I posted instead of making and promoting your own agendas, you would realise that I do not have issue with the reservation scheme per se and I understand the logic behind charging for it. It could be £20 to reserve a seat for all I care, in fact I even stated I would be happy to pay a higher registration fee, so it"s not about the fiver as some people who missed the point seem to think.

For those who missed it or just skipped over my point please note, and this is actually the crux of it, why does seat reservation have priority over seat purchase? That just isn"t logical, especially when, as Des indicates approximately a third of the reservation fee is taken by the online processor!!!

It"s all very well saying the seats have been available for months, well they haven"t been for direct purchase, they were only released for direct purchase at midday today (21st Oct)! How many seats made available for direct buy in? A measly 5.

You say it saves on admin, how? Surely it takes the same amount of admin to have an online buyin tank for 5 people as it does for 20?

Imho people who actually want to commit to attending an event by buying in direct in advance should take priority over those who pay a fiver to reserve a seat on the off chance that they might have a free weekend or can be bothered to get out of bed that day. Maybe i am way off the mark but it"s my opinion.

I for one remember the debacle of the tournament at this venue starting late last year due to everyone having to queue around the cardroom for upwards of an hour to buy in at the venue prior to the event starting. Looks like the same thing will happen again this year.

In short all I would like is the same facility that EVERY other UK tour gives its players. Whether it be GUKPT, GPS, UKIPT, 25/25 series, UKIPT Series, DTD, PPUKPT, etc etc,  you name it they all have an online direct buy in facility.

I would simply like to go online click a button and register for the event, then turn up on the day and play. I do not want to be forced to reserve a seat, then have to turn up to the venue 1-2hrs before the event and queue up for the best part of an hour to buy in before playing an event. If people want to reserve a seat and do the turn up hours before, queue and pay on the day fine let them have that facility but please do not remove my option to facilitate them, cos lets face it that"s what has happened. In reality 5 seats released for direct buy in is a token and therefore the facility has all but been removed.
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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2013, 08:48:47 AM »
Never used it before, used it this time as I knew numbers would be limited, and proved right to do so. I can"t remember what my first thoughts were when this reg fee was first mooted,but I now think it suits me pretty well, as quite often I don"t know whether I can attend until pretty close to the date, and £5, to reserve a seat means that I can do that with only the risk of losing the cost of a Guiness. As it is, really looking forward to Glasgow  :)
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Re: Seat buyins and reservations.
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2013, 09:34:25 AM »

lol at the raging over a fiver.


lol at completely missing the actual point.  ;D ;D ;D