APAT Season 8 - [Pre-release Discussion]

[MintTrav]

More focus on locations that the majority of the membership can afford to get to, and less focus on holiday destinations to satisfy the few that can afford it.  How much has the APAT brand really been expanded by the foreign trips to date? How many of those locals that have played in the foreign locations joined up with APAT.co.uk, or used the forum, or played other APAT events?

I thought you were in favour of overseas events:

I think that keeping APAT as a UK exclusive community would not be good for Amateur poker. The concept of APAT is about bringing value poker to the masses for affordable buy in - but I thought it was also about standardisation of the game.... and to achieve that, it has to gain exposure beyond the UK shores.

APAT is an excellent concept.................Why not expand to other countries and share the benefits?

[AMRN]

More focus on locations that the majority of the membership can afford to get to, and less focus on holiday destinations to satisfy the few that can afford it.  How much has the APAT brand really been expanded by the foreign trips to date? How many of those locals that have played in the foreign locations joined up with APAT.co.uk, or used the forum, or played other APAT events?

I thought you were in favour of overseas events:

I think that keeping APAT as a UK exclusive community would not be good for Amateur poker. The concept of APAT is about bringing value poker to the masses for affordable buy in - but I thought it was also about standardisation of the game.... and to achieve that, it has to gain exposure beyond the UK shores.

APAT is an excellent concept.................Why not expand to other countries and share the benefits?

Wow - rooting out 3 year old posts to show self-contradiction - nice one.   It was tried, but in my opinion has not been great, and has detracted from much of the good stuff that APAT was known for.

[hi_am_chris]

Think the main thing in general with the overseas events is whether we are going to get active members online, at live events or on the forum but in reality they will play the one event and then forget about apat.

The aim was to spread the brand but i don"t think it works and it would be better to try and build up the brand even more in the UK.

[bear21]

Agree with all of the posts mentioned, but mostly with overseas events, why ?
for me it doesn"t enhance APAT  membership and is only a jolly for the few who are and able to afford it of which I am not one ( sob sob cry ) LOL
I have played in a few tourneys around the country and was amazed when I mentioned APAT that people still haven"t heard about us !!! More tournaments to highlight APAT etc to the british player is needed not overseas
For the most APAT do a great job and I know the poker scene has changed from when APAT 1st began with more people following in our footsteps making things tougher

Ohh as above BYE BYE BOSS ( please )

[hi_am_chris]

Also please get rid of the Dusk till Dawn visits so i don"t feel dissapointed when i go to other casinos!

[Swinebag]

Live.

Stick to a UK tour without branding them as English, Scottish champs etc.. Just calling them leg 1, leg 2 etc.... Will be fine. Stick with venues/locations that are well supported by both members and the venue. If this means no Scottish, Irish, welsh or Yorkshire legs then so be it. Like Steve, 3 years ago I was all in favour of foreign legs but they don"t seem to have added that much to the product. Will happily be persuaded otherwise though. I think there are people here who can organise their own foreign jollys with a big group of heroes without an APAT event tagged in.

Online:

Really don"t know what to do with the online league, but I only know I don"t want it to be a regional team event.

Online nationals. Love these events, though would like the BI to revert back to $50 oe

Team events:

Just the 2 please. 1 international based and 1 forum/community based.

Main events:

Mix them up a bit. APAT needs something different  to compete with the other offerings around the country. I"m not suggesting loads of variants as this puts a load of people off but the following could work assuming 8 legs

Leg 1 - NLHE
Leg 2 - NLHE mix max ( six max from 60 left - HU 16 out)
Leg 3 - NLHE headhunter
Leg 4 - NLHE
Leg 5 - NLHE /PLO ROE
Leg 6 -  NLHE mix max
Leg 7 - NLHE headhunter
Leg 8 - NLHE

[hi_am_chris]

Whoah Whoah Rob agree with most of what you say, but no Yorkshire leg?

Blooming Lancastrians

[s4ooter]

Mixmax is a must!!

Oh and OFC at Worlds please!!

[Swinebag]

Whoah Whoah Rob agree with most of what you say, but no Yorkshire leg?

Blooming Lancastrians

What I meant was only go to these places if

1. They can fill it with 200+ runners
2. The venue is a viable partner

I would love an APAT in yorks but not ever having had one there is not a reason to decide to host one now.

I may be wrong but reason 2 is the reason why there has never been a yorks leg before. Similarly, there should not be an obsession with playing events in Scottish, Welsh and Irish venues, purely because the venues happen to be in that country. I would love to play in all those places if the event was up to scratch. You shouldn"t have to rely on the players creating a memorable event, the venue has to take some responsibility.

[hi_am_chris]

Was only joking anyways

I hear good things about Sheffield but don"t know the ins and outs about which companies Apat will deal with or Visa Versa.

Selfishly would love one in Leeds as it would be nice to go to a venue thats easy to get home from after i bust day 1  

[Matt D]

Nice post from Swinebag. Interesting.

Re: the format of events:

I think National Main Events should be kept as standard NLHE, as that is the format that everyone knows how to play, so we"re not limiting our market.

I do like the idea of side events being mixed up though. They could be changed to include a list like Swine suggests above, or ... hold 2 side events simultaneously, to allow players who are busted from the main to pick which they"d prefer to play... With one of the side events being something completely different - e.g. Open Face Chinese, Bournemouth Roll, No Deal or Deal, etc. Bring some fun to the proceedings

[Chipaccrual]

I do like the idea of side events being mixed up though. They could be changed to include a list like Swine suggests above, or ... hold 2 side events simultaneously, to allow players who are busted from the main to pick which they"d prefer to play... With one of the side events being something completely different - e.g. Open Face Chinese, Bournemouth Roll, No Deal or Deal, etc. Bring some fun to the proceedings

Love how you"ve worked around any copyright infringment Matt.  Nice work.  

[Matt D]

I do like the idea of side events being mixed up though. They could be changed to include a list like Swine suggests above, or ... hold 2 side events simultaneously, to allow players who are busted from the main to pick which they"d prefer to play... With one of the side events being something completely different - e.g. Open Face Chinese, Bournemouth Roll, No Deal or Deal, etc. Bring some fun to the proceedings

Love how you"ve worked around any copyright infringment Matt.  Nice work.  

I shall have to teach you how to play it some time. It"s a lot of fun!

[hi_am_chris]

Would love a deep stacked omaha 2 day tournament

[fandango]

Oh and OFC at Worlds please!!

Keep plugging it Dan son   maybe one year it will be in the mix.. Never played it myself, but isn"t it a cash orientated format of a game? Or can it actually be a tournament format?? .. Dunno how many of us recreational amateurs play it?

Have to agree with a lot of what has already been said above and some great points brought forward.
Def keep the international to WCOAP and scrap the other 2 this would be a blue ribboned event to look forward to at the end of a season, regarding team selection think it"s fair to work on a points scoring procedure throughout the season, with only 4 places being up for grabs would make it a hard fought battle!!

APAT abroad? I will go with majority, but can say that I probably wouldn"t attend as cost etc doesn"t suit me.. Prague for me this year was a big decision but the honour of being skip and having a crack at ECOAP title defence  the clincher otherwise it was a def no-no. But in the same breath we have to remember a lot of our members really look forward to the Vegas experience so to scrap it with out a thought may be a little hasty.

Bring back the online league on Sundays for sure, but prehaps hold back a % of the prize pool each week and if enough revenue is generated then put the top 4 scoring players from winning team into a leg of a GPS or UKIPT leg?? With a % of any winnings being distributed among the whole of the team ( say those who have played say 10 of 12 games qualify ).