APAT Season 8 - [Pre-release Discussion]

[MintTrav]

Asked this every year and once again will chuck into the hat.. request to move Online Nationals moved to a Sunday please x

Had opinion on this request every year, and once again will chuck into the hat... request to leave Online Nationals on a Saturday please x

Had no real opinion on this every year, but I have come to realize that these often clash with live tournaments that I wish to play at weekends. As I understand it, Phil and Steve are more concerned with not having them on either Sat or Sun than with having them on the day they each asked for, so a Friday, for example, might satisfy both and allow a lot of players to take part and still play live events at weekends..................... request to move Online Nationals away from weekends please x

[adilong1]

Asked this every year and once again will chuck into the hat.. request to move Online Nationals moved to a Sunday please x

Had opinion on this request every year, and once again will chuck into the hat... request to leave Online Nationals on a Saturday please x

Had no real opinion on this every year, but I have come to realize that these often clash with live tournaments that I wish to play at weekends. As I understand it, Phil and Steve are more concerned with not having them on either Sat or Sun than with having them on the day they each asked for, so a Friday, for example, might satisfy both and allow a lot of players to take part and still play live events at weekends..................... request to move Online Nationals away from weekends please x

Ooh like the sound of a Friday as I do nothing anyway?!?

[s4ooter]

Not sure if this has been suggested yet but OFC?

[KarmaDope]

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14363.msg221464#msg221464

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14363.msg221469#msg221469

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14363.msg221470#msg221470

These were ideas I had that seemed well received in the Blog thread...linking rather than retyping!

[AAroddersAA]

Not sure if this has been suggested yet but OFC?

Why not just arrange a game of this between ourselves at the worlds. I have no idea how to play it (I know how to play chinese) but can probably learn online and would play a small stakes game for fun. No £1 a point or anything though.

[AAroddersAA]

Live National Events
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Personally I would like to see the current format of having to go to each country changed. Wales does not have a casino that we can use and Scotland seems to suffer the same issues (although I thought Alea was OK). My choice of venues would be:-

Brighton
Bristol/Les Croupiers in cardiff
Walsall
Manchester
Newcastle/Stockton/Scotland
DTD

I would like to see the cash championship replaced with the APAT only cash tables that have been mentioned, the cash championship is great but on a Friday I would like to be able to play as cash table for a couple of hours then leave it and go to the bar, I think this would get quite a bit more support from the community than the Cash Championship. Side events of various formats would be good such as PLO, PLO8, 7 Card and HORSE.

Don"t mess with the main events, they have to remain a standard deepstacked nlhe tournament anything else will lose support.


Online Events
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The national events are fine. I like them on a Saturday, it is only one Sat night every two months and don"t need to be up for work the next day as they can run quite late due to their excellent structure.

Bring back the league but not as a regional thing, let people form their own teams. Split the prizes into individual and team.

If you are going to run sats then they should start at a sensible time. 8pm is perfect. This is APAT so most of the community have to work in the morning. 10pm is clearly too late for an APAT game on a weekday.


Team Events
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International Event at worlds with a captain selected by the community of that country selecting the team (to get a vote you have to have played an apat event this season either live or online). Only one event.

UK Team Championship I would again rather we wre able to pick our own teams here.


International Events
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A one off special event in addition to the normal tour would be fine. They are great for bringing the community together and I have met lot"s of people at trips away as everybody is one big group. They are very good for the community. Ireland would be ideal. This would need consultation with then community though.


Additional Activities
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Lot"s of people within the community who can organize these. I reckon we will do pool again at the Worlds. Maybe Darts at Stoke or snooker even? Football and cricket can wait until the summer imo.


Players Committee
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This has been mentioned in the past and I can think of a number of people I would vote onto it who could represent the communities views and let the APAT board get quick and easy feedback.

[bigalhx3]

think you need to move the starting stack to the same as dtd with 25k to offer the same value comp that dtd and grovs25/25 put on
And a trip for the 1st time to the biggest county in the uk would be nice if poss

[Robbiebox]

LIVE:

Competition is getting stronger all the time so APAT must do all it can to make events atractive for people to attend:

1. Stay Central ~ Don"t go North of the M62 or South of London, immediately puts half the country off. Lets have some new venues/cities (eg Liverpool, Birmingham, Sheffield, Reading, Leeds)

2. Get rid of the awkward £5 reservation fees, comments clearly indicate this is considered by many as an unpopular(-EV) and awkward way of reserving seats. Find an online provider with direct buy-ins and close the reg period in time so you can get the cash out, then sell any spare seats at the venue.

3. Compete with the other tours as mentioned previously and increase stack size to 20k or 25k, as only 15k starting stack is seen as not offering the same "value" of play. Just start a little earlier (or finish later) on the Saturday.

4. Keep the festivals, this is APATS strongest and most unique feature at the moment that attracts a lot of players.

5. Introuce/Replace a Team event with one that is based on an online league (see below)

6. For purely selfish reasons, I would love to see one of the Nationals being made an OMAHA event.

ONLINE

1. For the team competition, get rid of the unfair unequal size teams. Let people form their own teams (4 or 6?) and play a series of online games that lead to a live final (eg similar to the Vegas ones Genting used to run). Where online performance in some way will effect starting stacks and a contribution from each online prizepool goes towards the live final as added value. This will bring in new players to APAT as APAT members form teams recruiting their own non-APAT member poker playing friends.

2. Fridays do seem worth a try as the night for the main online events.

3. I have no interest really in international events and there does seem to be little in terms of people travelling from the UK for these.

[Tiger-flash]

I like Asa and Leigh's comments about the live events  
Also i think the online league should be an individual event along the top 5 or 6 players from each region playing for the National Regional cup as a one off live/online event.
This would be fair to the smaller teams but also still do the online cup like the last couple of tournies with players from any region (keeps everyone interested online)

[Fatcatstu]

LIVE:

Competition is getting stronger all the time so APAT must do all it can to make events atractive for people to attend:

1. Stay Central ~ Don"t go North of the M62 or South of London, immediately puts half the country off. Lets have some new venues/cities (eg Liverpool, Birmingham, Sheffield, Reading, Leeds)

2. Get rid of the awkward £5 reservation fees, comments clearly indicate this is considered by many as an unpopular(-EV) and awkward way of reserving seats. Find an online provider with direct buy-ins and close the reg period in time so you can get the cash out, then sell any spare seats at the venue.

3. Compete with the other tours as mentioned previously and increase stack size to 20k or 25k, as only 15k starting stack is seen as not offering the same "value" of play. Just start a little earlier (or finish later) on the Saturday.

4. Keep the festivals, this is APATS strongest and most unique feature at the moment that attracts a lot of players.

5. Introuce/Replace a Team event with one that is based on an online league (see below)

6. For purely selfish reasons, I would love to see one of the Nationals being made an OMAHA event.

ONLINE

1. For the team competition, get rid of the unfair unequal size teams. Let people form their own teams (4 or 6?) and play a series of online games that lead to a live final (eg similar to the Vegas ones Genting used to run). Where online performance in some way will effect starting stacks and a contribution from each online prizepool goes towards the live final as added value. This will bring in new players to APAT as APAT members form teams recruiting their own non-APAT member poker playing friends.

2. Fridays do seem worth a try as the night for the main online events.

3. I have no interest really in international events and there does seem to be little in terms of people travelling from the UK for these.

Since when has London been "central"? Also, it is a dump that is stupidly hard to get to/travel around and costs a fortune (IMO)

Also, some of APAT's most regular players have come from places such as the North East or South coast, why should they not get an APAT event near to them?

[AAroddersAA]

Since when has London been "central"? Also, it is a dump that is stupidly hard to get to/travel around and costs a fortune (IMO)

Also, some of APAT's most regular players have come from places such as the North East or South coast, why should they not get an APAT event near to them?

London is not a dump at all, it"s an awesome place to go for a weekend. Book into the Easy Hotel Paddington for a tournament at the Vic and all the above issues are answered, it is easy to get too and everything is in walking distance. We could then get drunk on Edgeware Road, which has some damn fine pubs (proper pubs like). Also it is central for most of the population to be fair, although obviously not geographically.

Apart from that yeah and to be honest it is sometimes nice to go somewhere a long way away as it is somewhere different and a lot of people like visiting new places. I would love an event in the Newcastle area (Stockton would be great, although might need a few extra days). I certainly think we should have one in that area if possible.

I also think the starting stack size is fine 10K was too small but 15K is OK for this tour. We are already finishing at like 1am on the Saturday which imo is late enough.

[Delboy]

Since when has London been "central"? Also, it is a dump that is stupidly hard to get to/travel around and costs a fortune (IMO)

Also, some of APAT's most regular players have come from places such as the North East or South coast, why should they not get an APAT event near to them?

London is not a dump at all, it"s an awesome place to go for a weekend. Book into the Easy Hotel Paddington for a tournament at the Vic and all the above issues are answered, it is easy to get too and everything is in walking distance. We could then get drunk on Edgeware Road, which has some damn fine pubs (proper pubs like). Also it is central for most of the population to be fair, although obviously not geographically.

Apart from that yeah and to be honest it is sometimes nice to go somewhere a long way away as it is somewhere different and a lot of people like visiting new places. I would love an event in the Newcastle area (Stockton would be great, although might need a few extra days). I certainly think we should have one in that area if possible.

I also think the starting stack size is fine 10K was too small but 15K is OK for this tour. We are already finishing at like 1am on the Saturday which imo is late enough.

I agree with all of the above, except I don"t want to go to Newcastle. I want to INVADE YARM!

[Fatcatstu]

Since when has London been "central"? Also, it is a dump that is stupidly hard to get to/travel around and costs a fortune (IMO)

Also, some of APAT's most regular players have come from places such as the North East or South coast, why should they not get an APAT event near to them?

London is not a dump at all, it"s an awesome place to go for a weekend. Book into the Easy Hotel Paddington for a tournament at the Vic and all the above issues are answered, it is easy to get too and everything is in walking distance. We could then get drunk on Edgeware Road, which has some damn fine pubs (proper pubs like). Also it is central for most of the population to be fair, although obviously not geographically.

Apart from that yeah and to be honest it is sometimes nice to go somewhere a long way away as it is somewhere different and a lot of people like visiting new places. I would love an event in the Newcastle area (Stockton would be great, although might need a few extra days). I certainly think we should have one in that area if possible.

I also think the starting stack size is fine 10K was too small but 15K is OK for this tour. We are already finishing at like 1am on the Saturday which imo is late enough.

I agree with all of the above, except I don"t want to go to Newcastle. I want to INVADE YARM!

Right, we need to get this organised, dont we?

[KarmaDope]

Yes. Especially as I foresee another Vegas planning session. Ger has a big birthday in October 2014, don"t you know?

[AAroddersAA]

Since when has London been "central"? Also, it is a dump that is stupidly hard to get to/travel around and costs a fortune (IMO)

Also, some of APAT's most regular players have come from places such as the North East or South coast, why should they not get an APAT event near to them?

London is not a dump at all, it"s an awesome place to go for a weekend. Book into the Easy Hotel Paddington for a tournament at the Vic and all the above issues are answered, it is easy to get too and everything is in walking distance. We could then get drunk on Edgeware Road, which has some damn fine pubs (proper pubs like). Also it is central for most of the population to be fair, although obviously not geographically.

Apart from that yeah and to be honest it is sometimes nice to go somewhere a long way away as it is somewhere different and a lot of people like visiting new places. I would love an event in the Newcastle area (Stockton would be great, although might need a few extra days). I certainly think we should have one in that area if possible.

I also think the starting stack size is fine 10K was too small but 15K is OK for this tour. We are already finishing at like 1am on the Saturday which imo is late enough.

I agree with all of the above, except I don"t want to go to Newcastle. I want to INVADE YARM!

Right, we need to get this organised, dont we?

Thats an extra-curricular activity, not something we are likely to do during the APAT season.

You are of course 100% correct it needs to be done though and Stu is correct we need to get it organised.