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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2013, 19:30:36 PM »

Can i also point out that picking a team is not just about picking the best players... its about picking a TEAM.

When i have picked teams i have gone for a blend of people i know would get on and support each other in the event, which helps each individual.

When we won the Worlds, it was because we stuck together as a team. We all railed each player when we were out. We didnt just clear off and talk to our mates. I know from talking to the guys that this made a massive difference to each and every one of us at some point during the tournament. Whether it was me in my Omaha SNG on day 2, or Carl in the last NLHE SNG or Tony in his headsup match. IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

Just throwing a group of randoms together is not a - Going to make a winning team or b - make the experience enjoyable for all concerned.


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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2013, 19:31:52 PM »

Can i also point out that picking a team is not just about picking the best players... its about picking a TEAM.

When i have picked teams i have gone for a blend of people i know would get on and support each other in the event, which helps each individual.

When we won the Worlds, it was because we stuck together as a team. We all railed each player when we were out. We didnt just clear off and talk to our mates. I know from talking to the guys that this made a massive difference to each and every one of us at some point during the tournament. Whether it was me in my Omaha SNG on day 2, or Carl in the last NLHE SNG or Tony in his headsup match. IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

Just throwing a group of randoms together is not a - Going to make a winning team or b - make the experience enjoyable for all concerned.


Thats an interesting point stu.

Although having not played as part of a team can u explain to me why it made a difference? I mean i would of thought you should be looking to make optimal decisions at all times regardless of whether you had a rail or not.

Just to be clear i am not disagreeing with your statement, im just curious as to how u feel it made u "play better"?
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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2013, 19:35:38 PM »
No probs chris, and it is kind of hard to explain as Poker is such and individual game.


Just having someone there giving you a bit of morale support really helps in what does become quite stressful situations i suppose.

When you are scrapping for points to make sure you get into a gold medal match, just having a team mate here (obv would prefer they are in their SNG mind you :p ) giving you a little bit of encouragement and finding out how your team mates are getting on, letting you know the points situation etc is absolutely invaluable in my experience.
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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2013, 19:51:20 PM »
Let"s be fair stu, our B team had none of that.
Randomly I think me and Paulie spoke more in Cov than we did at DTD that weekend, Altho that"s prob cuz he didn"t like me much :)
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2013, 19:54:01 PM »


Can i also point out that picking a team is not just about picking the best players... its about picking a TEAM.

When i have picked teams i have gone for a blend of people i know would get on and support each other in the event, which helps each individual.

When we won the Worlds, it was because we stuck together as a team. We all railed each player when we were out. We didnt just clear off and talk to our mates. I know from talking to the guys that this made a massive difference to each and every one of us at some point during the tournament. Whether it was me in my Omaha SNG on day 2, or Carl in the last NLHE SNG or Tony in his headsup match. IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

Just throwing a group of randoms together is not a - Going to make a winning team or b - make the experience enjoyable for all concerned.


Thats an interesting point stu.

Although having not played as part of a team can u explain to me why it made a difference? I mean i would of thought you should be looking to make optimal decisions at all times regardless of whether you had a rail or not.

Just to be clear i am not disagreeing with your statement, im just curious as to how u feel it made u "play better"?


There are deffo spots where a -ev spot for an individual can be +ev for the team, and having a rail reminds u of that.

I had to fold ATC in last sng for as long as possible to try and lock up 4th and play off for us in DTD
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2013, 19:54:21 PM »

Altho that"s prob cuz he didn"t like me much :)


seems legit...
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2013, 19:55:12 PM »

Let"s be fair stu, our B team had none of that.

Randomly I think me and Paulie spoke more in Cov than we did at DTD that weekend, Altho that"s prob cuz he didn"t like me much :)


Disagree...I think we had loads.

True we didn"t all know each other but we meshed really well IMO...and that"s the point.

As for speaking, we had more time in Coventry....at DTD I was busy going deep. :)
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2013, 19:57:51 PM »
Stu totally agree with you about support from team mates etc

Only gripe for a lot of england players who want to play is how do they get in the team ??
Yes you want a good balance / good players but also for someone who"s english as eg how do they get into the team ??
there must be a way as i think has been done before to balance the team selection so other players get a chance and not just 1 extra player ( score ranking ),

What ever the result no one will be happy LOL :)

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« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2013, 20:03:10 PM »
Just tad off the OP topic (sorry Paulie, shoot me later) but just my 2p to TPTB is that I wish the Euro and World team events were somehow able not to clash with the side events at WCOAP and ECOAP. Yeah I know impossible but rarely being able to pit my wits against such great mixed game players as John Murray (who is perma chosen for the Irish team) and a few others who seem to wear the national shirt more often than not is frustrating. It would be nice to be able to play a high profile/promoted mixed game other than Omaha where there isn"t a clash with another APAT event thus affecting the numbers.
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2013, 20:07:34 PM »

I wish the Euro and World team events were somehow able not to clash with the side events at WCOAP and ECOAP.


Off Topic...but I happen to agree.

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« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2013, 20:18:36 PM »

Stu totally agree with you about support from team mates etc

Only gripe for a lot of england players who want to play is how do they get in the team ??
Yes you want a good balance / good players but also for someone who"s english as eg how do they get into the team ??
there must be a way as i think has been done before to balance the team selection so other players get a chance and not just 1 extra player ( score ranking ),

What ever the result no one will be happy LOL :)


Gary I can prehaps answer this from my perspective..

A good start is to obv have some good results both online/live and always good IMO to be a regular contributor to APAT regarding the forum and tour..

I remember a conversation I had with Dann when he was a relative new comer to the scene, he bemoaned the fact that he thought he would never ever get a place in any England squad.. My advice to him was to be more active on the forum and on the tour and his chances would increase rather than just sit in the background and not get involved.
Low and behold Dan was rewarded for his efforts, so I think this is always a good start on how to be considered.

When Steve picked his team last year he did state the reasons for his choices and TBF I think it was spot on, prior to my own selection I can say that I had probably only talked to Steve in person at least twice, it was only that I ran like god in 2012 that prehaps I even got a look in.. Same goes for this year it"s plain to see Warren and Chris should be selected on merit alone the guys have been on a complete tear up.
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2013, 20:19:01 PM »
On Stu"s theory i reccomend Team Gotham to represent England at the Worlds!

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« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2013, 20:21:03 PM »

As for selection it"s an odd one.

I played the Euros, in the B team. I would love to get selected for Worlds but I was under no false illusion that the team that won the year prior were coming back to defend. If I had known that before I arrived I prob would have played the sides and declined my spot in the team as I felt I had nothing to play for, bar winning a medal.

That sounds pretty selfish, but when speaking to Carl at homes that"s when I found out they were looking to use same team.  He may have posted before online, but I"d not noticed.

I wanted to go to Homes, play well, win gold and then get picked for Euros/Worlds/both.

When I got there, I was now in a position where I knew that even if I won every sng, I wouldn"t have a chance for the worlds. Pretty gutting.

Tod, Adam and I all performed well and got in top 10 individuals, and outperformed stalwarts like Carl and Stu, but still don"t have a chance for selection. some seemed more interested in alcohol, some not interested at all. [NB I am not knocking Carl or Stu"s ability here, merely looking at the numbers on the paper and how I felt on the weekend]

Maybe, and I say maybe, this is why the 3 English teams that have played so far this year have only picked up 1x Bronze.

Anyway that"s my 2ps worth.

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Just my 2 cents on this:-

I understand the frustration here Dann, to a certain extent. When I first started playing at APAT in season 4 I was the top ranked player that season and came 2nd in the WCOAP main event. I also had a fair bit of online success in a few leagues including APAT and Blonde at the same time. I was lucky enough to play for Wales at the Home Internationals, which we won, I was also the captain of the APAT forum team that year.

However I was not even considered for the Welsh team at the worlds, this was quite correct, as I said at the time. At the time Wales were the defending Champions and had what I would consider the best team ever to compete in these events. The team that won the previous year returned, duly won again (I railed them to victory) and then they decided that it was time to give others a chance in the team so the team was changed for the next event. I was then selected, after picking up another couple of final tables and having a pretty good season five. This really did feel like an achievement though as I had really had to prove myself before I got into the team.

What this is demonstrating is the real prestige of getting into your international team at the worlds. It"s meant to be bloody hard, you are meant to earn your place. This is even more so when your team is doing so well as England are at the moment (and they are doing well). Be proud to be part of the extended squad and to be involved with such a great team.

When you do get selected to represent England at the worlds (and it will happen) the fact that you earned your place in this team, of such high quality, will make it all the more worth it.

I like the idea of mixing up the formats and selecting players to play each of the formats. Would make team selection much more interesting.
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2013, 20:27:48 PM »

On Stu"s theory i reccomend Team Gotham to represent England at the Worlds!


Wouldn"t work. We have more than 4 players!!! Haha

Couldn"t have Webber playing, who"d win all the non Gold side event medals!!! :)
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Re: WCOAP TEAM EVENT
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2013, 20:29:58 PM »
Flip for who gets to be mascot or if one of them hasn"t had a 4 figure score live this year they could be mascot? :P