WCOAP 2014 Team Championship Discussion Thread

[MintTrav]

Regardless of the team event, I hope that APAT will make more efforts to introduce more variants into the S8 schedule.

A "variant" Main Event isn"t likely I know but perhaps rotate side events (PLO is already there and we"ve tried Stud at Luton).

Or perhaps we take a leaf out of the LPPL playbook and (subject to casino consent) try £10 [self-deal] STT/Shootouts during an APAT weekend.

We had a very successful Stud tournament at Newcastle.

[Paulie_D]

Regardless of the team event, I hope that APAT will make more efforts to introduce more variants into the S8 schedule.

A "variant" Main Event isn"t likely I know but perhaps rotate side events (PLO is already there and we"ve tried Stud at Luton).

Or perhaps we take a leaf out of the LPPL playbook and (subject to casino consent) try £10 [self-deal] STT/Shootouts during an APAT weekend.

We had a very successful Stud tournament at Newcastle.

Which is where I had to teach most of the dealers the game.

YVW.

[bear21]

WCOAP says it all
there"s more than one game in poker and think a world championship should include more , stud/razz etc to name a few

that"s the whole point !!
it will show the winning team has a great variety of player talent
or they were very lucky  

[MintTrav]

Regardless of the team event, I hope that APAT will make more efforts to introduce more variants into the S8 schedule.

A "variant" Main Event isn"t likely I know but perhaps rotate side events (PLO is already there and we"ve tried Stud at Luton).

Or perhaps we take a leaf out of the LPPL playbook and (subject to casino consent) try £10 [self-deal] STT/Shootouts during an APAT weekend.

We had a very successful Stud tournament at Newcastle.

Which is where I had to teach most of the dealers the game.

YVW.

TYVM  

[Hammerite]

I must say until I went to my first Apat I had never played live poker at all. Having played my first NLHE tournament in Newcastle in season one and built some confidence of playing live, I decided to play the Razz, Stud, & Omaha tournaments at the Vic the following year, I thoroughly enjoyed playing these variants of the game and have since gone on to have some fair success in Apat online versions of these games. I guess what I am saying in a long winded way is that unless you give these games a try you will never play them, lets not deter Apat from introducing new formats for its members because players have not played the game, just give them a try and you may be surprised how much you enjoy them.

[IrishTom]

APAT have always aimed to be forward-looking and a driving force behind not only the playing of poker, but the development of both opportunities and experiences - and not wishing to stand still, see the introduction of other variants to our Team Championship events as a step in the right "forward" direction.  However, of course we do recognise the problems it may give to Team Captains and we need to ensure that player availability (and skills) is not restricted to the point where it deters teams from entering - therefore "one step at a time" is an approach that may well suit "both sides".

NLHE will always remain the core of our events (some would say!) and PLO has very much become a "main stream event" nowadays (some would say!), and to include PLO 08 into the WCOAP Team Championship, whilst reducing the "risk" to teams/captains, the following schedule would seem sensible:

17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.1 NLHE STT (3 members)  
17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.2 PLO 08 STT (1 member)  
17 Apr "on demand" WCOAP #5.3 HU Matches (4 members)

18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.4 NLHE STT (3 members)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.5 PLO STT (1 member)
18 Apr 19:00 WCOAP #5.6 NLHE MTT (4 member)

(start time on 17th moved to 14:00 to allow teams the opportunity to travel AM on 17th)

[DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be)]

but this means all players will only play 2 SNGs instead of 3...

[IrishTom]

but this means all players will only play 2 SNGs instead of 3...

Yes, 2 SNGs, 1 HU, 1 MTT

[DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be)]

but this means all players will only play 2 SNGs instead of 3...

Yes, 2 SNGs, 1 HU, 1 MTT

That"s too bad... in your opening post you mentioned 3 SNGs and now it"s only 2 :"(

[IrishTom]

but this means all players will only play 2 SNGs instead of 3...

Yes, 2 SNGs, 1 HU, 1 MTT

That"s too bad... in your opening post you mentioned 3 SNGs and now it"s only 2 :"(

Indeed Tom - and in subsequent (member) posts the "problem" of everyone playing PLO and PLO 08 has given rise to us thinking about this again - which is "ongoing" - but by this weekend we will confirm the final schedule of events (which also includes us looking at the possibility of including an extra "non-team" event on Thurs) - trying to find a "balance" between not restricting teams/selection and enhancing the team champs.

[kohan]

APAT have always aimed to be forward-looking and a driving force behind not only the playing of poker, but the development of both opportunities and experiences - and not wishing to stand still, see the introduction of other variants to our Team Championship events as a step in the right "forward" direction.  However, of course we do recognise the problems it may give to Team Captains and we need to ensure that player availability (and skills) is not restricted to the point where it deters teams from entering - therefore "one step at a time" is an approach that may well suit "both sides".

NLHE will always remain the core of our events (some would say!) and PLO has very much become a "main stream event" nowadays (some would say!), and to include PLO 08 into the WCOAP Team Championship, whilst reducing the "risk" to teams/captains, the following schedule would seem sensible:

17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.1 NLHE STT (3 members)  
17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.2 PLO 08 STT (1 member)  
17 Apr "on demand" WCOAP #5.3 HU Matches (4 members)

18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.4 NLHE STT (3 members)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.5 PLO STT (1 member)
18 Apr 19:00 WCOAP #5.6 NLHE MTT (4 member)

(start time on 17th moved to 14:00 to allow teams the opportunity to travel AM on 17th)

based on the above timea most of the team players would be able to enter the horse event at 7 pm as the stt and heads up could be finisned by then

[GiMac]

APAT have always aimed to be forward-looking and a driving force behind not only the playing of poker, but the development of both opportunities and experiences - and not wishing to stand still, see the introduction of other variants to our Team Championship events as a step in the right "forward" direction.  However, of course we do recognise the problems it may give to Team Captains and we need to ensure that player availability (and skills) is not restricted to the point where it deters teams from entering - therefore "one step at a time" is an approach that may well suit "both sides".

NLHE will always remain the core of our events (some would say!) and PLO has very much become a "main stream event" nowadays (some would say!), and to include PLO 08 into the WCOAP Team Championship, whilst reducing the "risk" to teams/captains, the following schedule would seem sensible:

17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.1 NLHE STT (3 members)  
17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.2 PLO 08 STT (1 member)  
17 Apr "on demand" WCOAP #5.3 HU Matches (4 members)

18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.4 NLHE STT (3 members)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.5 PLO STT (1 member)
18 Apr 19:00 WCOAP #5.6 NLHE MTT (4 member)

(start time on 17th moved to 14:00 to allow teams the opportunity to travel AM on 17th)

Not really interested in travelling and paying a fortune to play parts of an event. I don"t understand why its being changed? As a team we (Scotland) were woeful at the Home Nations in the PLO round, so we went home worked at our game and guess what? We improved and were one of the best in Prague. This is the world TEAM champs, not the Champs of individual specialists clubbing together. Win as a team, fall as a team imho.

IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!

[CW86]

APAT have always aimed to be forward-looking and a driving force behind not only the playing of poker, but the development of both opportunities and experiences - and not wishing to stand still, see the introduction of other variants to our Team Championship events as a step in the right "forward" direction.  However, of course we do recognise the problems it may give to Team Captains and we need to ensure that player availability (and skills) is not restricted to the point where it deters teams from entering - therefore "one step at a time" is an approach that may well suit "both sides".

NLHE will always remain the core of our events (some would say!) and PLO has very much become a "main stream event" nowadays (some would say!), and to include PLO 08 into the WCOAP Team Championship, whilst reducing the "risk" to teams/captains, the following schedule would seem sensible:

17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.1 NLHE STT (3 members)  
17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.2 PLO 08 STT (1 member)  
17 Apr "on demand" WCOAP #5.3 HU Matches (4 members)

18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.4 NLHE STT (3 members)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.5 PLO STT (1 member)
18 Apr 19:00 WCOAP #5.6 NLHE MTT (4 member)

(start time on 17th moved to 14:00 to allow teams the opportunity to travel AM on 17th)

Not really interested in travelling and paying a fortune to play parts of an event. I don"t understand why its being changed? As a team we (Scotland) were woeful at the Home Nations in the PLO round, so we went home worked at our game and guess what? We improved and were one of the best in Prague. This is the world TEAM champs, not the Champs of individual specialists clubbing together. Win as a team, fall as a team imho.

IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!

Shouldn"t a team event include the best players/specialists, otherwise it does lack some credibility no?

[GiMac]

APAT have always aimed to be forward-looking and a driving force behind not only the playing of poker, but the development of both opportunities and experiences - and not wishing to stand still, see the introduction of other variants to our Team Championship events as a step in the right "forward" direction.  However, of course we do recognise the problems it may give to Team Captains and we need to ensure that player availability (and skills) is not restricted to the point where it deters teams from entering - therefore "one step at a time" is an approach that may well suit "both sides".

NLHE will always remain the core of our events (some would say!) and PLO has very much become a "main stream event" nowadays (some would say!), and to include PLO 08 into the WCOAP Team Championship, whilst reducing the "risk" to teams/captains, the following schedule would seem sensible:

17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.1 NLHE STT (3 members)  
17 Apr 14:00 WCOAP #5.2 PLO 08 STT (1 member)  
17 Apr "on demand" WCOAP #5.3 HU Matches (4 members)

18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.4 NLHE STT (3 members)
18 Apr 12:00 WCOAP #5.5 PLO STT (1 member)
18 Apr 19:00 WCOAP #5.6 NLHE MTT (4 member)

(start time on 17th moved to 14:00 to allow teams the opportunity to travel AM on 17th)

Not really interested in travelling and paying a fortune to play parts of an event. I don"t understand why its being changed? As a team we (Scotland) were woeful at the Home Nations in the PLO round, so we went home worked at our game and guess what? We improved and were one of the best in Prague. This is the world TEAM champs, not the Champs of individual specialists clubbing together. Win as a team, fall as a team imho.

IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!

Shouldn"t a team event include the best players/specialists, otherwise it does lack some credibility no?

Fair point but imo should be best overall poker players not a group of individual specialists. Also by diminishing the value of the event to the players, i.e. Less play for your buck, it makes it less attractive for players to attend. Even more in an event where its just about the most expensive to attend.

[TheSnapper]

Shouldn"t a team event include the best players/specialists, otherwise it does lack some credibility no?

With the greatest respect Chris.

This event has never lacked credibility, quite the opposite and to imply as much falls somewhere between naive and complete nonsense.

There is a lot of small picture thinking and self interest itt imho. I really don"t think the previous introduction of PLO did much to enhance the event over the previous format.

I am fearful that this new development which at face value looks positive in terms of adding some strategic element, may ultimately be problematic for the already struggling smaller teams. Losing some of those teams or diminishing their ability to compete will be counter productive for all.