S8 Live Tour Discussion Thread

[KarmaDope]

I have touted the Independent operator hotel based event to you previously,  it"s a tried and trusted format in the Irish poker market and always seemed to me to be ideal for the travelling Apat contingent, so bravo for that excellent change.

Maybe I am being a little selfish here but holdem is my game and to have my single home Apat event changed to PLO is devastating tbh. An Irish Apat leg without a holdem main event offers no appeal whatsoever to me personally.

Apologies Brendan, I read the above which reads like you wouldnt be attending as it offers no appeal whatsoever. If you do plan to attend then that would be awesome, be good to see you again

[TheSnapper]

I have touted the Independent operator hotel based event to you previously,  it"s a tried and trusted format in the Irish poker market and always seemed to me to be ideal for the travelling Apat contingent, so bravo for that excellent change.

Maybe I am being a little selfish here but holdem is my game and to have my single home Apat event changed to PLO is devastating tbh. An Irish Apat leg without a holdem main event offers no appeal whatsoever to me personally.

Apologies Brendan, I read the above which reads like you wouldnt be attending as it offers no appeal whatsoever. If you do plan to attend then that would be awesome, be good to see you again

No sweat Adam, of course if at all possible I will drop in for chat and a drink, always good to catch up with Apat family  

On reflection the distinction seems quite pedantic but I am a pedantic sod and to me there is a marked difference. One suggests throw the toys out of the pram "I"m not going" the other, which I wanted to convey, is more "I"m very very disappointed at this unnecessary development"

[MintTrav]

I think the arguments on both sides have been well established now, so let"s please move on from the PLO event...

I agree with Des. We know what the people who have posted think about it, so not much point going around in circles any more. We need to argue about some of the other things on the schedule instead.

Actually, it would be interesting to see some more reactions to some of the other parts of the programme. Personally, I"d like more details about the Aspers extravaganza.

[Chipaccrual]

This thread is getting really annoying as questions being posted up don"t seem to be getting answered.


Does anyone know the name of the nightclub in Leeds with the revolving dance floor ?


Anyone ?

[PHIL_TC]

This thread is getting really annoying as questions being posted up don"t seem to be getting answered.


Does anyone know the name of the nightclub in Leeds with the revolving dance floor ?


Anyone ?

Bondi Beach bar? Vague memories once of trying to get off it... x

[Chipaccrual]

Knew I could rely on you Phil      TY

[Curlarge]

Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.

This high blood pressure thingy must be affecting his judgement. "we want our old Paulie Back, we want our old.........."

[Paulie_D]

Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.

This high blood pressure thingy must be affecting his judgement. "we want our old Paulie Back, we want our old.........."

Feck "Orf!

Happy now?

[IrishTom]

Hi All, apologies for not commenting earlier but I was tied up since Friday running a team event in Yorkshire. 

I don"t feel I can add much more to the discussion than Des has already covered, so, moving forward...

We"re just putting the finishing touches to the Season 8 Player Ranking/Leaderboard, reviewing the Cash Tournament rules (which I"ll publish for comment/feedback) and finalising the Bristol Player Briefing - and expect this/next week to release additional details for the Season 8 schedule which will include dates for online events - National Online League, National Cup, Online (equivalent) Amateur Poker Championship(s) and Satellites for live events - along with Holding Tank details for Bristol.

I will open a separate forum thread for S8 WCOAP feedback, and views for what you feel may be good, or bad, for S8 WCOAP, to allow us to finalise our options and desire to make Season 8 even bigger and better, and more accessible.

[HERBIEHACKIT]

apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local  and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.

I pretty much disagree with every point made there.

really. enlighten please

Ok, I was going to just agree to disagree but...

apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.

please use all of my comments instead of snippets to suit your argument.
i repeat apat needs both local and regs at games. if only to give credibility to national euro and world titles. a game without travelling players cannot claim to be a welsh, english or world championship. otherwise my local can hold a world championship next monday and fill it with bar regs.

APAT is a tour and the reason for that is to bring low stakes well-structured tournament to locals who otherwise would not see them.

The tour is absolutely about locals. as above.

if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.

Sorry...that"s just nonsense...If an event sells out with all locals then it"s a success regardless.

it could not claim to be a national titled game though. well it could but in name only.

The only time that this has happened is, basically, Ireland in recent years..to my knowledge.

apat need to attract local and players from afar.

Not strictly true....APAT likes the fact that members are willing to travel quite long distances to play "away" but they don"t NEED then to turn up. As I said, as long as the event is well supported APAT doesn"t mind where they come from.

ref above

it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that.

Actually, this one is on the money, it is hoped that PLO will attract more locals....nothing else seems to*...I know that the UK players who are willing to travel will only be a small proportion of the full field...but that has  been the case at most "distant" events.

nhl is by far more popular than plo.hence plo will never get more players than nlh

*I do not include our already loyal local contingent who are, unfortunately, relatively small in number.

my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem

If you mean the travel cost, then it"s the perceived cost. It"s already been demonstrated that with advance planning the difference in cost between Dublin, Edinburgh, Leeds, Bristol is very small.

If you mean the cost of "living"...that"s somewhat true..a pint in an Irish pub is more than one in a UK pub....but I"ve had some expensive pints in casinos and big city pubs too.

yes i mean cost of living. we have all paid over the top for a pint or two. that is not the point, the fact is it does not help when trying to get players to travel, that the said place is expensive.

plo will reduce the field further

Time will tell. It"s certainly not true in my case and some of the "objections" weren"t over the fact that it was PLO, it was over the choice to have the first PLO "main" outside of the UK. Many have said that they"d love to play a 2-day PLO if it was in Coventry or Stratford (and that may still happen).

given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important

I disagree slightly with this...attracting more players FULL STOP is what is being attempted. Where they come from is not really relevant.

thought your target was locals. at least we agree on something in that attracting more players full stop. however need both local and travelling players.

Will PLO turn off some of our regular loyal locals? Apparently it will and that is to be regretted but, as has been said, the alternative was nothing so, in effect, they are no worse off.

Their choices were for "no event" or an "event they won"t play"

there was no need to drop nlh. just give it the promotion that plo is getting. then you would have an even bigger field.

unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure

It may turn out that this will be doomed to failure, I hope not, but at least APAT tried. If it does flop, then at least a lesson  has been learned and perhaps teaming with a promoter for a NLHE event in Ireland will be on the S9 schedule.

i dont think any apater wants to see an event fail.

Sorry to go on so long..but you asked.

anyway i am done with this now. i will not be there as not prepared to play a main event of plo because i do not like the game and no nlh is not my favourite game.

[Curlarge]

Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.

This high blood pressure thingy must be affecting his judgement. "we want our old Paulie Back, we want our old.........."

Feck "Orf!

Happy now?

Thats better

[Zozzy]

I have had a good study of the APAT Season 8 Schedule, the spread of dates throughout the year, the locations,
the simplicity "back to basics" without too many Team events,
and of course the added value for the winners.

My opinion is

I like it !

a lot!

[AMRN]

I have had a good study of the APAT Season 8 Schedule, the spread of dates throughout the year, the locations,
the simplicity "back to basics" without too many Team events,
and of course the added value for the winners.

My opinion is

I like it !

a lot!

That sums it up well.  

[Chipaccrual]

[Slim Chance]

Schedule looks really good.

Good to see that there will be much consideration of games other than Holdem, which personally I am a bit bored of now.