WCOAP 2015 - Cash Tournament Feedback

[IrishTom]

[AAroddersAA]

I will almost certainly play this event in Coventry I have a few thoughts on it which may or may not be valid:-

1) I would personally rather see the event commence at 12pm on the Sunday and just run for 3 hours. The people who tend to travel to APAT on a Friday night tend to be the types who want to use it as a social night and have a few pints rather than play poker. I liked the two sessions at WCOAP not sure it is needed for the normal events though.

2) Would love to se PLO involved somehow, maybe even have the dealer choose between Holdem and PLO

3) Allow top ups to £100 at all times not just when stack below £50, gives it far more of a cash game feel.

4) Make the final table 6-handed to force more action

[dwh103]

Apart from allowing top ups to £100 at all times (bar the last x hands - maybe make it last 8-10 hands rather than 5?), I think it"s in a happy medium.

[LombBomb]

I enjoyed playing it but would like to see it as a limited reload.

[Sugar_Free]

I enjoyed playing it but would like to see it as a limited reload.

I agree, unlimited reloads takes it away from an APAT tournament for me

[AAroddersAA]

I enjoyed playing it but would like to see it as a limited reload.

I agree, unlimited reloads takes it away from an APAT tournament for me

I agree but isn"t that the whole point? It is meant to feel like a cash game not a tournament as I understand it, I think the current rules achieve that quite well.

[Big Club]

I agree but isn"t that the whole point? It is meant to feel like a cash game not a tournament as I understand it, I think the current rules achieve that quite well.

Unlimited reloads should stay a feature, the control of the maximum reload is in place to stop deep pockets becoming the huge advantage it would be otherwise but this has to retain the feel of a cash game and not that of a tournament. I thought this was perfectly achieved at the worlds. The only slight tweak I would make is that the top 16 reach the day two, so 8 from each day rather than 4 but this will not be an issue anywhere other than the worlds.

[Paulie_D]

I agree but isn"t that the whole point? It is meant to feel like a cash game not a tournament as I understand it, I think the current rules achieve that quite well.

Unlimited reloads should stay a feature, the control of the maximum reload is in place to stop deep pockets becoming the huge advantage it would be otherwise but this has to retain the feel of a cash game and not that of a tournament. I thought this was perfectly achieved at the worlds. The only slight tweak I would make is that the top 16 reach the day two, so 8 from each day rather than 4 but this will not be an issue anywhere other than the worlds.

I think the general consensus I gathered from the WCOAP is that the Cash Tournament really doesn"t work as a two day event.

I think one day is going to be the way forward.

[Paulie_D]

1) I would personally rather see the event commence at 12pm on the Sunday and just run for 3 hours.

The people who tend to travel to APAT on a Friday night tend to be the types who want to use it as a social night and have a few pints rather than play poker. I liked the two sessions at WCOAP not sure it is needed for the normal events though.

True but some of us who like a drink or whatever on the Friday aren"t interested in playing poker that night....although opinions differ.

Sunday has enough going on already and, of course, if you make Day 2 of the Main, you can"t play the Cash Tournament

[hi_am_chris]

Off topic slightly but would it be possible to organise an online cash tourny to accompany the Online games?

[Big Club]

Off topic slightly but would it be possible to organise an online cash tourny to accompany the Online games?

I like this

[LombBomb]

I agree but isn"t that the whole point? It is meant to feel like a cash game not a tournament as I understand it, I think the current rules achieve that quite well.

Unlimited reloads should stay a feature, the control of the maximum reload is in place to stop deep pockets becoming the huge advantage it would be otherwise but this has to retain the feel of a cash game and not that of a tournament. I thought this was perfectly achieved at the worlds. The only slight tweak I would make is that the top 16 reach the day two, so 8 from each day rather than 4 but this will not be an issue anywhere other than the worlds.

Deep pockets are still going to reload for £100 anyway if they bust a stack.  Given that it"s a cash tournament I think there needs to be an element at some stage of not being eligible to buy back in once you bust, although I totally get that it"s a difficult balance.

[jgcblack]

Hi all, I"m John... I played the cash tournament in London and managed to do quite well.  I am a cash player at heart and that is my main game on a day to day basis.  From what I think you are trying to create I would suggest you have succeeded.  It played like a cash game the whole time. 

I completely disagree with limiting buyins.   It does not achieve anything in real terms as the buyin cap of 100 (which I personally am not a fan of - but now see the light) performs the function of protecting the players from any "big players" doing anything silly.

I had to not only play hyper aggressive but also run pretty good in order to get the chip lead going into day 2.  I am a fan of the two day structure as it meant a final table made up of 4 players I knew absolutely nothing about.  This made every hand that much more important as you didn"t have time to make a mistake.  Potentially the 2 hours could be extended on day 2, possibly 3 or 4 would be better.

For anyone who was there in London they will have seen that the lead was overtaken quite early on and significantly so.. This player then made the sensible decision to not play any pots, this meant he couldn"t lose the chip lead and anyone wishing to win would have to get the chips from the rest of the players.  I don"t think there is anything you can do to stop this as a strategy and ultimately it did not work out for him, however it did kind of mock the spirit of the tournament.

Other than the comments above I would just like to say that I very much enjoyed the tournament and will defintely look to play it again.
Thanks and see you all soon,
Jb

[Chipaccrual]

Welcome to the APAT forum John.  Thanks for the feedback.

[AMRN]

I was gonna play this one, but now not so sure. I"m not rolled to play £100 cash games effectively, and whilst introducing unlimited reloads does indeed make it more akin to a natural cash game, it takes it away from the low cost approach for which APAT is famous.   I would take a punt with a couple of buy ins, but those with deep pockets can abuse this and will have a significant advantage - and that kinda goes against what APAT is supposed to stand for.