WCOAP 2017 - Discussion

[Des]

S11 announcement

Yay!!

soon

Awww

I hung it out there, just saying! 

[TheSquirrel]

Hi Anthony,

I should take the first part of this question as I was (and continue to be) the biggest exponent of the reservation fee at APAT.  I should explain why we do it.

For years we offered a free 'reserve a seat' feature through the forum and we always had a large percentage of reserving players (50% minimum) let us down on the day.  That meant certain other players weren't coming to events because they believed we were sold out in advance.  Remember, APAT isn't a local game, so it became a barrier to many to travel across country for a game, when a motorway delay might mean there aren't any seats left when you arrive.

So we added a reservation fee.  

This increased the reliability of the system and allowed us to continue to offer the system.  However, we didn't do this as a money making scheme - it helps a little, but is a relatively small income line.  

We offered it alongside direct buy in via our online partner - which had no fees attached, not even a requirement to play online.  We also continue to offer online sats and we continue to offer seats in advance via the venue and on the day if availability allows.  We've tried to offer something for everyone.  Paid and free.

Why don't we offer a refund?  

It would become an admin nightmare and doing so would erode that small commitment that we ask members to make for this optional service, possibly increasing no shows again.  

Why didn't we include it within the buyin?

Again, an admin nightmare that we're simply not resourced to manage well. Quality is very important to the team at APAT, if we can't do it well, we don't do it at all.  Even if it means we make a small profit on the activity.

Plus it's fantastic in this day and age to be able to offer a single button on the APAT home page that will enable a new player to get a seat without needing to download stuff or worry about getting to the venue days early.  That's what today's mobile users expect.  

That and the tons of value like Vegas packages that we add.  

If you haven't experienced APAT before, then I'd encourage you to.  In fact, I'd be happy to personally pay your reservation fees for an event or two so that you can see how good we are.  PM me if you'd like to take me up on my offer.

ps - I pushed the multi format events for years also and am extremely proud of the schedule that Tom has put together for Manchester.  We might well be the friendliest poker tour in the UK - I know we're the oldest - but that doesn't stop our players being very competitive and ensuring that we grow our non hold'em schedule is something that we'll continue to do.  I think Tom will have some good news on that front in our S11 announcement, which I suspect is coming soon.

Cheers,

Des.

Many thanks for your reply. Explained perfectly and I can't fault your reasons for having the system you do, it's just your system didn't appeal to me. As a player I liked to turn up, buy in and play, simple as that. It took an ever increasing effort to get me out in the evening and sit at a poker table. Sitting at a dinner table, now that's something entirely different!

I wish you the best of luck with your tour. I was originally made aware of APAT by a very experienced old school character, and I think you have a good reputation amongst some older players. My post was a bit of a moan, but as someone who rarely plays nowadays, and is unlikely to play APAT, I decided to moan away and say why. Thanks for your explanation.

[Red_Nev]

 Have just read through the event details and I'm not 100% sure but the details for the Irish and Crazy Pineapple seem to be the same and if I remember rightly the Crazy Pineapple was just three cards last year , and not four ?
Could someone please confirm , thanks

[IrishTom]

Have just read through the event details and I'm not 100% sure but the details for the Irish and Crazy Pineapple seem to be the same and if I remember rightly the Crazy Pineapple was just three cards last year , and not four ?
Could someone please confirm , thanks

Thanks Nev you're right... my mistake and all sorted now

[ian.ski309]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I can't find it anywhere...

Will Day 1 of the 6-Max be played over a predetermined number of blind levels or down to a certain number of runners ? With it being a 5pm start, capped at 84 runners and only a 10k stack, are there any circumstances under which it might be played to a conclusion on Day 1 ?

[IrishTom]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I can't find it anywhere...

Will Day 1 of the 6-Max be played over a predetermined number of blind levels or down to a certain number of runners ? With it being a 5pm start, capped at 84 runners and only a 10k stack, are there any circumstances under which it might be played to a conclusion on Day 1 ?

Hi Ian, currently I expect Day 1 to complete around midnight-1am latest with 12 players returning for Day 2... depending on runners, if it looked like we could conclude the event by 1am then we'd have to give that serious consideration, but if def coming back for a Day 2, it would be with an absolute min of 6 players.

[Red_Nev]

No worries Tom
Thanks for updating the Crazy Pineapple !!

[ian.ski309]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I can't find it anywhere...

Will Day 1 of the 6-Max be played over a predetermined number of blind levels or down to a certain number of runners ? With it being a 5pm start, capped at 84 runners and only a 10k stack, are there any circumstances under which it might be played to a conclusion on Day 1 ?

Hi Ian, currently I expect Day 1 to complete around midnight-1am latest with 12 players returning for Day 2... depending on runners, if it looked like we could conclude the event by 1am then we'd have to give that serious consideration, but if def coming back for a Day 2, it would be with an absolute min of 6 players.

Thanks Tom 

[peripheraldecision]

As someone who stopped playing poker last year after 16 years, I will make a few observations. I hope they are not considered too negative but for a start I will give the reasons I have never played an APAT event. A seat is not guaranteed unless you reserve one in advance, and then the reserve deposit is lost, not considered part of the buy in.

I love the old games rather than NLHE all the time, in fact I came to hate the game. So for me there would never be enough stud and omaha type games to make it worthwhile a few days overnight stay to play the APAT. The only place that now does those games is the WSOP - perhaps a trip to the WSOP if ever I get off my arse and inspired enough to play again and donk off £10-15k. I know that's a lot more than a few quid to reserve an APAT seat but I consider that deposit money being lost to be a bit of an insult.

The APAT was sometimes tempting but it just never had enough of those alternative games (not the dreaded open face thing) to break through my increasing apathy. APAT is a very commendable thing, and I hope you keep going, but I also hope you broaden the appeal with a few more stud or omaha type games, not fewer. I know that's the way it's gone, and that's the way it will keep going. God I hate holdem.

This is precisely why you should come on Monday 10th and Tuesday 11th to play in our £2/£4 HORSE cash game, set to be played all day and all night, I hope!

I know if I bust the HORSE early on Wednesday I will be trying to get a third day of a HORSE cash game!

WHO'S WITH ME?  

By the way, I wouldn't look at APAT WCOAP Live as a "turn up, buy in" thing, but more something you plan to do every year.

[leepmar]

Hey

i haven't reserved a seat for day 1a of the main event yet, and was just thinking of turning up and playing but wanted to check what's the player capacity and are you near this being filled through who has already reserved/directly bought in online?

Thanks
Lee

[Paulie_D]

Anyone know what the usual poker schedule is for the Grosvenor?

Friday / Monday / Tuesday specifically.

Their website is zero help there.

[Chipaccrual]

Anyone know what the usual poker schedule is for the Grosvenor?

Friday / Monday / Tuesday specifically.

Their website is zero help there.

[Chipaccrual]

Monday

Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games from early afternoon

STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller

19:30 Easter Beast Day 1a - multi flight / multi venue tournament all players who make day 2 heading to Didsbury for the final day on 17th April @ 2pm.  £100 + £10 buy in, 20k stack, 2 x re-entries per flight, £20,000 Gtd


Tuesday


FROM 9AM Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games

STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller

20:00 £50+£6+1 x optional R/A (1 re-entry permitted), 10,000 chips (2k early bird bonus), 25 min clock, £7,500 Gtd


Mixed Cash:

£2/£2/£5 (£8 per hour session fee) and all games are pot limit.

Can cater for lower stakes (£1/£1 5% rake capped at £5) and higher if requested (£10) per hour session fee.

Games are:
Stud Padooki
Paduci
Omaha (High)
Omaha (Hi/Low)
Maltese Cross
Triple Draw
Super Stud
Irish
Scottish
Padooki
5 Card Draw Hi/Low
Matrix (Triple Board Hi Low Omaha)

[Chipaccrual]

Hey

i haven't reserved a seat for day 1a of the main event yet, and was just thinking of turning up and playing but wanted to check what's the player capacity and are you near this being filled through who has already reserved/directly bought in online?

Thanks
Lee

Hi Lee,

Each Day 1 in the Main Event is capped at 150 (with alternates).  Day 1a is filling up, but I would be very surprised if you weren't able to buy in on the day on Sunday.

I would expect Day 1c to be the most popular.

[Slim Chance]

We'll have contact details for all individuals who buy in via G Holding Tanks, and next week I'll be sending them all info and will confirm the full schedule at the same time...



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Hi
I bought in through the holding tanks but haven't received any info since.
You usually put up lists of people who have registered so far, but I can't find them.
Please could you put them up so people can check that we are definitely registered.
Thanks