Double or Nothing SNGs.....

[Jon MW]

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I would have thought that there are less weaker players playing HU STTs, but dont really know tbh

Not on Pokerstars there aren"t.

[Swinebag]

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I would have thought that there are less weaker players playing HU STTs, but dont really know tbh

Not on Pokerstars there aren"t.

I played a HU tourney on stars and sharkscoped all of my oponents. All 4 were HU STT pokergods. I was getting pwned so much in one game that I asked the guy if he could see my cards.

His response was "pretty much"

[Jon MW]

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I would have thought that there are less weaker players playing HU STTs, but dont really know tbh

Not on Pokerstars there aren"t.

I played a HU tourney on stars and sharkscoped all of my oponents. All 4 were HU STT pokergods. I was getting pwned so much in one game that I asked the guy if he could see my cards.

His response was "pretty much"

lol

[Hammerheid]

as tighty says its about mistake avoidance , if u apply what u learn in mistake avoidance and apply it to ur game in other tournaments then surely this is a positive , as for the boredom factor , if u are playing game after game of DoN then yes it will get a bit boring but if u have a spare 30 mins or so and play then sparingly then ur roll will increase steadily coz u will have more focus , u will get loads of donks who will push/call with not a lot and hit , i tend to play decent/premium hands or see a cheap flop and although ive not kept any stats im cashing in a lot more than im losing

[Jon MW]

It"s becoming not so much fun on Pokerstars.

The longer blind levels, and the general absence of enough players making mistakes means that most of them are lasting well over an hour.

They"re pretty much all getting to the stage where the relatively short stacks get to shove fold mode with 7 or 8 players left and the larger stacks become the short stack if they call and lose - which obviously drags it out even longer.

They"re still profitable but I"m thinking that HU sit and go"s might give me a higher ROI (it might take me a while to get a 100 of each though)

[Swinebag]

finished the 100...see blog!

[TopPair2Pair]

Good stuff swine, had a read and decided to give one a crack.

Anyway I cant really comprehend why ppl would play full ring instead of 6 seated if the buyins are the same!?!?!?!?!!?

[AMRN]

Anyway I cant really comprehend why ppl would play full ring instead of 6 seated if the buyins are the same!?!?!?!?!!?

cos in a full ring game you can sit tight and wait for donks to make mistakes.... in a short handed game where you are in the blinds 33% of the time, you have to play more poker. Put simply, the full ring games are just easier.

[Roscopiko]

cos in a full ring game you can sit tight and wait for donks to make mistakes.... in a short handed game where you are in the blinds 33% of the time, you have to play more poker. Put simply, the full ring games are just easier.

Totally agree, full ring the chances are that you will get 3/10 absolute no clue player who go in the first couple of levels and 6 handed you are going to need to survive so many more times in push and fold stages.

[Donkbox]

Both nine and six seaters pay the same % of entrants and in simplistic terms the nine seaters may be better as you can play more tables and they may be populated by worse players and game selection plays less of a role. But, I think that a decent stt player has a bigger edge in 6max precisely because of the reason AMRN states - players are in the blinds 33% of the time - meaning they"re forced into playing more hands and playing flops against players worse than you is good.

[AMRN]

Both nine and six seaters pay the same % of entrants and in simplistic terms the nine seaters may be better as you can play more tables and they may be populated by worse players and game selection plays less of a role. But, I think that a decent stt player has a bigger edge in 6max precisely because of the reason AMRN states - players are in the blinds 33% of the time - meaning they"re forced into playing more hands and playing flops against players worse than you is good

Sort of agree with your logic, but these games are so boring that I tend to play 3 or 4 at once..... and then the edge you have over poorer players is lost. Also, 4 short handed games at once gets a bit manic. 4 full ring games means I can just watch out for the nut hands and let the rest play themselves until the shovefest begins.

[hi_am_chris]

How long on average(ish) do the 6 max and full ring DoN stt take to finnish?

[TopPair2Pair]

How long on average(ish) do the 6 max and full ring DoN stt take to finnish?

My average ATM is approx 23mins across various sites, all turbos, a variety of level lengths, 20 buyins in total. Unfortunately I have no comparable reference for the FR timings currently.

Maybe its my irreversable donkalogic but 6 handed still seems a shrewder option imho.

Only need to wait for 3 players to get knocked out,
Your more active which helps with the boredom factor,
The onus is on us to accumalate chips in 6m as aposed to sitting tight in FR which makes a better strategy for decent post flop players especially where a ragerty Two Pair crushes/stacks TPGK against weaker players.

Most importantly they are blatently going to be shorter which is an obvious
advantage with $p/h in mind, if you can multitable the same volumes as FR, possibly squeezing in a few more buyins in the same space of time.

[AMRN]

Only need to wait for 3 players to get knocked out,

But my point is that when you"re in the blinds 2 out of evey 6 hands, you can"t just wait for players to get themselves knocked out..... whereas in the full ring games, you"re only in the blind 2 out of 10 hands, and can afford to wait for action (and risk) to occur elsewhere.

For the DoN games, 6 seater require more play...... SO, you may as well play a normal 6 seat STT where the payouts are more favourable to the better player. The 10 seater DoN is just an easy way to print money.

[Swinebag]

I agree, it only pays one more place.

If I get to three handed in a stardard six max STT, I really fancy taking it down. When I get to the last 5 in a full ring STT, I still feel that I have a lot to do, just to cash let alone taking it down.