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[LongshanksED]

question 19
You"re in the BB. Blinds are $1/$2 and everyone at the table has $50,000 in front of them. It is folded to the button, who raises to $7 but accidentally turns over his cards in the process.

You see that he holds:
ac  ad

He knows that you saw his hole cards. He did not see your hand. What range of hands should you call with? Which hands should you re-raise with?

Fold all hands.
Call with any two cards, and re-raise with KK, QQ, and JJ.
Call with any pair or suited connector.
Call with any two cards, do not re-raise with anything.
Call with any two cards, and re-raise only with KK.
Call with any two cards, and re-raise only with AA.


now the obviuos answer would be fold all hands

but the more i think of this - with a low raise and only $5 more to call surely theres an arguement for

Call with any two cards, do not re-raise with anything


especially when you have $50,000

when the flop comes then you can see if you have him cracked or not

[linziwan]

Thats the answer I gave LOL - probably makes me a donkey!!

[Roscopiko]

I"d agree with that, he knows you"ve seen his hand so you can bet any flop except an A high one and win the pot.

However you will only really ever win $7 from him.

So your calling for $5 to win $10 and you win the pot every time with a bet (in theory) its not got an ace or 3 to a flush for one of his aces.

[lukybugur]

I answered the same so you three must be donkeys too! Either that or that was one of the very few I got correct.

[HaworthBantam]

I"d call the TD over and have his hand killed.

[lukybugur]

I don"t necessarily agree with "you will only really ever win $7 from him".

On the flop, if I paired the board, if 3 of same suit came down (which he doesn"t have the Ace of but I have at least one of), or if it came KKQ where I feel I can represent trips, or if any 40/60 or better chance presented itself, given that we"re deep stacked, I might play it aggressively knowing that he"s prob going to struggle to lay down this big a hand and that he"s going to be so confused by my call and totally unable to put me on a hand at any point.

But I"m a certified donkey!

[Swinebag]

given the deep stacks, call with any 2. Thats what I put. How often would you expect him to fold his aces to aggression on the flop, given he knows that you know his hand??

I also think there may be potential to win more than $7.

[Roscopiko]

I don"t necessarily agree with "you will only really ever win $7 from him".

On the flop, if I paired the board, if 3 of same suit came down (which he doesn"t have the Ace of but I have at least one of), or if it came KKQ where I feel I can represent trips, or if any 40/60 or better chance presented itself, given that we"re deep stacked, I might play it aggressively knowing that he"s prob going to struggle to lay down this big a hand and that he"s going to be so confused by my call and totally unable to put me on a hand at any point.

But I"m a certified donkey!

My point was this:
If I knew that you knew I had AA and you call preflop then lead out at any board I have to assume I"m beaten and fold and this is probably true for 99% of players.  Thats why i think you only win $7.

[lukybugur]

... so you"d lay down AA to any bet on the flop ... ? Boy, you"re tight!

[oneill1970]

I also answered to call with any two.  On any flop without an Ace you could raise him, representing a set or two pair, and take your foot off the accelerator if he comes back at you, depending on his style of play.  There may even be an argument for calling when you"re behind on the flop, given that he knows you saw his cards, he may think you are trying to trap him.  He might then check the turn, giving you a free ride to the river.

If you do end up ahead, you could trap him for a fair bit if he can"t lay those aces down, so the implied odds are pretty good.

Of course, if the flop has an Ace, and you haven"t got your flush or whatever, then you just lay it down.  You lose $7 in this case.  Stick the other $49,993 on a horse and call it a day!

[Roscopiko]

... so you"d lay down AA to any bet on the flop ... ? Boy, you"re tight!

You have to in most cases if you know he has seen them surely  

[lukybugur]

I know it"s all hypothetical and most unlikely you"ll be sitting with $50k and playing $1/$2 blinds, but wouldn"t you be slightly curious what I"d called a PF raise against AA with? There would have to be a bit of you surely that would think I"m doin" it for sh!ts and giggles?

Say the flop comes Ad8d5d giving you trips, are you still gonna fold to my bet of $12 into a $15 pot with $50,000 behind?

[LongshanksED]

all this talk of what you would do or how much youve won is irrelevant

he knows that i know he has aces so basically your only playing yourself

if you"ve cracked aces then you bet -if he re raises you to test you, you go all in and prove that he"s beat (he could always hit trips on the turn or river too)

[Roscopiko]

I know it"s all hypothetical and most unlikely you"ll be sitting with $50k and playing $1/$2 blinds, but wouldn"t you be slightly curious what I"d called a PF raise against AA with? There would have to be a bit of you surely that would think I"m doin" it for sh!ts and giggles?

Say the flop comes Ad8d5d giving you trips, are you still gonna fold to my bet of $12 into a $15 pot with $50,000 behind?

If this is the case you think the answer is fold all then?

[lukybugur]

Erm, no. I"m answering the same; call with any two, do not reraise.

Oh it"s so hypothetical and unrealistic that thinking back on what I had in here previously is making my head hurt.