How could someone fold this

[LongshanksED]

20man Sit n Go 5 euro buy in

top 4 get cashed

bubble time again

one guy has somehow survived 3 orbits as short stack (he"s all in each time and he has had AJ, K10  and QQ to survive) and not playing at the table - sitting out

he"s on the BB with 600 chips and BB is 800 SB 400

folded round to the SB with 5000 chips

SB takes a second and chat box folk start asking "what you waiting on?" and "call"

SB replies - i only have 2 3 off suit and promptly folds citing that he has doubled him up the last 2 orbits - now 1 or 2 guys where a bit nervous and wanted to see the guy not present to be eliminated ( i was one with only 3000 stack and was in BB in 2 hands time)


would you have called for 200 more and elimination was impossible for you?

i know i would

[lukybugur]

Call 200 to win 1200 when you have 5k behind, it"s an auto-call.

[Swinebag]

no neccessarily an auto call!!!

If you are a big chip daddy, you want to keep the short stack in, so you can keep bullying the medium stacks.

Otherwise for 200, it is of course an auto call

[lukybugur]

no neccessarily an auto call!!!

If you are a big chip daddy, you want to keep the short stack in, so you can keep bullying the medium stacks.

Otherwise for 200, it is of course an auto call

I"m never folding (T2o, 72o or whatever) when I"m getting 5:1 on a call for 1/25th of my stack.

[noble1]

Swinebag22 has it spot on , even if the sb did have 32o and was to much of a ***** to put 200 in it was correct to keep the short stack in so that he the big stack can steal from all the frightened passive weak players trying to cash and build a mountain of chips,only inexperienced players would try to KO the super short stack in this SITUATION...............

CLASSIC MTT SNG STRATEGY - BRAVO MAESTRO

[AMRN]

Swinebag22 has it spot on , even if the sb did have 32o and was to much of a ***** to put 200 in it was correct to keep the short stack in so that he the big stack can steal from all the frightened passive weak players trying to cash and build a mountain of chips,only inexperienced players would try to KO the super short stack in this SITUATION...............

CLASSIC MTT SNG STRATEGY - BRAVO MAESTRO

+1

If you have the monster stack on the bubble, the micro stack is your best buddy... don"t knock him out unless you really have to. While he"s there, everyone else is in autofold mode, and you can be a chip hoover!!

[LongshanksED]

Swinebag22 has it spot on , even if the sb did have 32o and was to much of a ***** to put 200 in it was correct to keep the short stack in so that he the big stack can steal from all the frightened passive weak players trying to cash and build a mountain of chips,only inexperienced players would try to KO the super short stack in this SITUATION...............

CLASSIC MTT SNG STRATEGY - BRAVO MAESTRO

+1

If you have the monster stack on the bubble, the micro stack is your best buddy... don"t knock him out unless you really have to. While he"s there, everyone else is in autofold mode, and you can be a chip hoover!!

i was effectively thinking that

but with 700 (should be 800) BB and his 400 BB then he"s already doubled him up anyway and although shortstacked he"s back in with 1100 and most of the other stacks have 2000 ish - so he"s not really a short micro stack (until the next hand when he posts 400 sb again)

[noble1]

but you said he was sitting out?

- one guy has somehow survived 3 orbits as short stack (he"s all in each time and he has had AJ, K10  and QQ to survive) and not playing at the table - sitting out
now 1 or 2 guys where a bit nervous and wanted to see the guy not present to be eliminated ( i was one with only 3000 stack and was in BB in 2 hands time)

Make sense now in this SITUATION ??

[hi_am_chris]

As people have said if ur the big stack its an easy fold as you can rape the bubble for another round of blinds

[bigredders]

all previous postings are right, the correct play is to fold. BUT imo it is highly unlikely that the guy was thinking this at the time... this after-all is a 5euro game on virgin, hardly the best standard in the world.

he just didnt call because he didnt want to lose... i really think its as simple as that!

[hi_am_chris]

Another thing thats similar, anyone notice in general live players in local low buy in tournys are much more likely to lay a hand down with 3 to 1 or better pot odds then in any online tourny?

[bigredders]

don"t even talk to me about local casino low-buy ins..... the standard is that bad that i still haven"t worked out how to play them yet! there was a guy last night, played one hand. an hour in he raises from an early position i chuck my kj in the muck like a bullet, a guy goes all in another guy calls all-in and of course the mega tight origional raiser calls.

the original raiser has kk surprise surprise

the first all-in has aj off

and the 2nd all-in has a2!!!! unreal

i think after my ramblings they don"t have a clue about starting values, never mind pot odds!

[noble1]

quote - about local casino low-buy ins..... the standard is that bad that i still haven"t worked out how to play them yet!

abc poker , no fancy plays , bet the living daylights when you hit good , dont try to figure out a donkey , be patient , play better starting hands , try to see cheap flops with position with hands that hit big and if not you can easily lay down eg - suited connecters 45+  , pairs 22 to 99 , suited aces and throw in some 1 gap connecters.
NEVER SLOW PLAY big pairs pre-flop ..
Above all else you will have to learn to handle bad beats as they willl happen more often against bad players  BUT playing abc will ensure you will be the victor more times than not in these donk fests.

there you go its worked out for you , now just have the patience and discipline to carry it out.

[kinboshi]

chat box folk start asking "what you waiting on?" and "call"

Very much out of order imo.