Call or Fold?

[Jon MW]

I"d have a lot more fun with 20,000 chips .

It"s not the size of your chipstack that counts, it"s what you do with it.

[hi_am_chris]

Can i ask the table how many Aces and kings have been passed?  

[George2Loose]

call

[rubertoe]

I"m Folding

I dont wanna have a 2% edge for my tourny Life, for all my chips, on the very first hand, not in a 10k -

As mentioned it is different for the top pro"s, with their sponsors buying them in (10k Freerolls), 20k in their hands (the pro"s that is) on the second hand is probably a big edge for them. It is a definate call for them.

Also as the Guy has already exposed his hand once - he will probably do it again, after folding and informing him i saw his cards and that he should protect them better - i"ll only tell him once - (not sure if this is the correct rule/etiquite or other), i"ll wait for a better spot.

[duke3016]

CALL

But that"s just me  

[noble1]

again i wish to point out that any SUCCESSFUL pro in high buy in mtts would fold in this situation in the early part .. Yes you see this sort of thing in micro mtts and a big mistake a lot of players make at this level is they call to much and dont fold enough [they are not thinking players].
The best way to accumulate chips in mtts is position and good decision making post flop and to take advantage of the weak players.
Survival and patience of a god are key concepts in mtt strategy,if you are going to take 57/43 edges this early [1ST LEVEL] it says a lot about your character and i dare say you will leak chips like a sieve gambling for your tourny life one to many times.
LEARN TO FOLD.

[duke3016]

it says a lot about your character and i dare say you will leak chips like a sieve gambling for your tourny life one to many times.
LEARN TO FOLD.

Yep pretty much sums me up

[noble1]

here is a selection of replies,please please ask better strategy questions.







Adam Junglen  Adam Junglen is online
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Originally Posted by willatunswa View Post
Hi Adam,
Thanks for doing this. My question is how early in a tournament are you ( when you are 100% sure that it is a coinflip) willing to put it all in for a coin flip?

Say the hypothetical is that you are in the first level of the tournament you are in the bb and you have queens, it folds round to the sb and goes all in and even announces to you they have AK ( which they do) , do you push with them? or you "wait and look for a better spot"

Does this situation change whether it be live or online?

Thanks and appreciate the reply.





AJunglen
Fold, the difference in a 20k to 40k stack isn"t much at the start of a tournament. I"m more apt to flip online (though I"d still fold in your hypothetical) simply because the structure"s aren"t as good
I"m more apt to put myself in a position to gamble if stacks are shallower.
Asking if you"d take a guarantee coinflip early in a tournament is like asking if you"d like your edge removed - but there are many situations where you can show a profit by inducing folds, get AIPF with dead money in the pot against a weak range that you"ll likely be dominating (but sometimes still be flipping), etc.

   
Kevin Saul
BeL0WaB0Ve

FOLD DUMBASS


Jimmy Fricke  
Gobboboy

wtf lol lol FOLD



Alex Kamberis  
AJKHoosier1

who thinks these up?? fold everytime imo let the donks call and get there chips later

[Jon MW]

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Jimmy Fricke  
Gobboboy

wtf lol lol FOLD
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lol I think this one is my favourite

[noble1]

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Jimmy Fricke  
Gobboboy

wtf lol lol FOLD
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lol I think this one is my favourite

u would love playing jimmy jon, he has been having razz lessons from barry greenstein - i"d luv to be a fly on the wall ....

[texfitz]

ALL IN then go play cash fwiw  

[Jon MW]

ALL IN then go play cash fwiw  

I think this is the reason why some pros would do it - rather than because it"s the best  move to make in terms of trying to win the tournament.

But I don"t think many of us would be quite as confident in being able to make the entry fee (+profit) back on the cash tables.

[hi_am_chris]

what would people do if the same scenario happened and he just shoves on u in the small blind but u dont know anything about what hand he has?

[noble1]

i get the feeling there is mis-understanding of basic mtt strategy,oh well each to there own..Loose gambler types call if you want and then lose your chips to the better players later