TIME FOR TWO DAY ONES ??

[AMRN]

I"m guessing two day ones for the Worlds at DTD, and as a one off that"s a great idea - I shall take the Friday off work.   But to have two day  ones for all Nationals - no chance!! With a large family who rely on me taking my hols at Chistmas and in the summer, it would hardly be fair for me to take so many days off to play poker!! We"re amateurs, not pro"s... work comes first for me.

Also agree that the clickfest, although I hate it, has to stay to give the "live only" players an option.   Perhaps it could be changed to an early registration system where everyone who wants a seat has to send an email to register their interest by a certain date..... then the satellites are played, and all qualifiers are crossed off the registration list. Those that are left then go into a hat and are drawn out, and the order that they are drawn out in dictates their position in the virtual queue..... now the tickets are sold to the front of the queue, and people have so many days to make their purchase.... if someone misses their purchase, or changes their mind, they drop off the queue, and the next person in the queue now has the offer.  Still a lottery, but possibly fairer than clickfest?

[CrizzyConnor]

I think the size that APAT has grown to (and it"s growing more and more by the day) - there are just going to be even more people disappointed with every event that rolls around. I really do think that two starting days really needs to be considered.

For people saying it should only be reserved for prestigious events or whatever I would say - EVERY single APAT event is prestigious in my and a lot of people"s opinions. There are only 7 events in the season (exlcuding team event), that is pretty prestigious in my eyes, to have the chance to be one of only 7 champions each season.

I for one would happily get the day off on a Friday to play in an APAT event. And I honestly think if the option of two starting days was put out as an option most people would be happy and it would only be a small minority grumbling...

[RioRodent]

Also agree that the clickfest, although I hate it, has to stay to give the "live only" players an option.   Perhaps it could be changed to an early registration system where everyone who wants a seat has to send an email to register their interest by a certain date..... then the satellites are played, and all qualifiers are crossed off the registration list. Those that are left then go into a hat and are drawn out, and th order that they are drawn out in dictates their position in the virtual queue..... now the tickets are sold to the front of the queue, and people have so many days to make their purchase.... if someone misses their purchase, or changes their mind, they drop off the queue, and the next person in the queue now has the offer.  Still a lottery, but possibly fairer than clickfest?

IMHO... This is the worst idea ever and fortunately was scrapped after Season 1, Event 1.

If you put names in a hat, it is entirely possible that you (anyone) may never get drawn out. I can see that it may seem fairer to a regular online player, who feels confident of getting a seat through a satellite and would likely only need the draw as a back-up. But the only way to make a random draw appear totally random, is to rig it!!

[CrizzyConnor]

Also agree that the clickfest, although I hate it, has to stay to give the "live only" players an option.   Perhaps it could be changed to an early registration system where everyone who wants a seat has to send an email to register their interest by a certain date..... then the satellites are played, and all qualifiers are crossed off the registration list. Those that are left then go into a hat and are drawn out, and th order that they are drawn out in dictates their position in the virtual queue..... now the tickets are sold to the front of the queue, and people have so many days to make their purchase.... if someone misses their purchase, or changes their mind, they drop off the queue, and the next person in the queue now has the offer.  Still a lottery, but possibly fairer than clickfest?

IMHO... This is the worst idea ever and fortunately was scrapped after Season 1, Event 1.

If you put names in a hat, it is entirely possible that you (anyone) may never get drawn out. I can see that it may seem fairer to a regular online player, who feels confident of getting a seat through a satellite and would likely only need the draw as a back-up. But the only way to make a random draw appear totally random, is to rig it!!

Agree, I don"t think the draw option is a good idea at all - Clickfest is as fair as you"ll get at the moment...

[Swinebag]

But the only way to make a random draw appear totally random, is to rig it!!

this

[RioRodent]

I also think two day 1s would be worth a try... why is the fact that "we are amatuers, we can"t all get a day off work" an issue? We don"t all need to take a day of work... only those who choose to play Friday have to.

I would suggest that the best way to work it would be to put the Friday (day 1a) seats on sale first, with the Saturday (day 1b) seats going on sale a couple of days later, via the same click-fest as we now have.

This way those that are able to play Friday and want to ensure they get a seat, have the option first... This should leave less pressure on places, for Saturday, for everyone else.

Anyone who can"t / doesn"t want to play Friday will not be penalised for being a slave to the man / considerate family man... on the contary, they will have more chance of getting into the tournament.

I think arranging events around Bank Holidays to accomodate two day 1s is a bad idea due to travel and accomodation issues.

[Jon MW]

I also think two day 1s would be worth a try... why is the fact that "we are amatuers, we can"t all get a day off work" an issue? We don"t all need to take a day of work... only those who choose to play Friday have to.

I would suggest that the best way to work it would be to put the Friday (day 1a) seats on sale first, with the Saturday (day 1b) seats going on sale a couple of days later, via the same click-fest as we now have.

This way those that are able to play Friday and want to ensure they get a seat, have the option first... This should leave less pressure on places, for Saturday, for everyone else.

Anyone who can"t / doesn"t want to play Friday will not be penalised for being a slave to the man / considerate family man... on the contary, they will have more chance of getting into the tournament.

I think arranging events around Bank Holidays to accomodate two day 1s is a bad idea due to travel and accomodation issues.

If there were 2 day ones this seems like a sensible option. With Satellite winners being able to choose what day they want.

[RioRodent]

Also agree that the clickfest, although I hate it, has to stay to give the "live only" players an option.   Perhaps it could be changed to an early registration system where everyone who wants a seat has to send an email to register their interest by a certain date..... then the satellites are played, and all qualifiers are crossed off the registration list. Those that are left then go into a hat and are drawn out, and th order that they are drawn out in dictates their position in the virtual queue..... now the tickets are sold to the front of the queue, and people have so many days to make their purchase.... if someone misses their purchase, or changes their mind, they drop off the queue, and the next person in the queue now has the offer.  Still a lottery, but possibly fairer than clickfest?

IMHO... This is the worst idea ever and fortunately was scrapped after Season 1, Event 1.

If you put names in a hat, it is entirely possible that you (anyone) may never get drawn out. I can see that it may seem fairer to a regular online player, who feels confident of getting a seat through a satellite and would likely only need the draw as a back-up. But the only way to make a random draw appear totally random, is to rig it!!

Agree, I don"t think the draw option is a good idea at all - Clickfest is as fair as you"ll get at the moment...

Another man like me?... Never won a bean in a raffle!!!  :"(

[CrizzyConnor]

I also think two day 1s would be worth a try... why is the fact that "we are amatuers, we can"t all get a day off work" an issue? We don"t all need to take a day of work... only those who choose to play Friday have to.

I would suggest that the best way to work it would be to put the Friday (day 1a) seats on sale first, with the Saturday (day 1b) seats going on sale a couple of days later, via the same click-fest as we now have.

This way those that are able to play Friday and want to ensure they get a seat, have the option first... This should leave less pressure on places, for Saturday, for everyone else.

Anyone who can"t / doesn"t want to play Friday will not be penalised for being a slave to the man / considerate family man... on the contary, they will have more chance of getting into the tournament.

I think arranging events around Bank Holidays to accomodate two day 1s is a bad idea due to travel and accomodation issues.

RioRodent for President!

[RioRodent]

I also think two day 1s would be worth a try... why is the fact that "we are amatuers, we can"t all get a day off work" an issue? We don"t all need to take a day of work... only those who choose to play Friday have to.

I would suggest that the best way to work it would be to put the Friday (day 1a) seats on sale first, with the Saturday (day 1b) seats going on sale a couple of days later, via the same click-fest as we now have.

This way those that are able to play Friday and want to ensure they get a seat, have the option first... This should leave less pressure on places, for Saturday, for everyone else.

Anyone who can"t / doesn"t want to play Friday will not be penalised for being a slave to the man / considerate family man... on the contary, they will have more chance of getting into the tournament.

I think arranging events around Bank Holidays to accomodate two day 1s is a bad idea due to travel and accomodation issues.

RioRodent for President!

How much does it pay?

[CrizzyConnor]

I also think two day 1s would be worth a try... why is the fact that "we are amatuers, we can"t all get a day off work" an issue? We don"t all need to take a day of work... only those who choose to play Friday have to.

I would suggest that the best way to work it would be to put the Friday (day 1a) seats on sale first, with the Saturday (day 1b) seats going on sale a couple of days later, via the same click-fest as we now have.

This way those that are able to play Friday and want to ensure they get a seat, have the option first... This should leave less pressure on places, for Saturday, for everyone else.

Anyone who can"t / doesn"t want to play Friday will not be penalised for being a slave to the man / considerate family man... on the contary, they will have more chance of getting into the tournament.

I think arranging events around Bank Holidays to accomodate two day 1s is a bad idea due to travel and accomodation issues.

RioRodent for President!

How much does it pay?

Unfortunately due to the economic downturn there"s no money in the budget for the President but you would be guarenteed an extra big clap next time you got knocked out at a national OR if you manage to take a national down there will be a Curly Wurly thrown in on top of the GUKPT Seat - how"s that for added value?

[nosey-p]

If we start having two day one's as the norm, you have to think about the people running APAT they also will have to be there on the Friday. Don't forget that they have family's/jobs to and I believe they are doing this for free. 






I was going to put what Kingboshi said (below) but did not have the time.

[kinboshi]

[CrizzyConnor]

Those who accuse Des or any of the other organisers of impropriety need to get a grip.  If they did the same at a casino and threw around unfounded accusations like that, they"d probably end up banned.  They"re probably the same people who complain about online poker being rigged against them, and that the police have a thing against them, and that life just isn"t fair because someone else has something they want.  Pathetic.

^ This ^

Also if the reason for not having two day one"s is due to Des and Co"s own family/work commitments etc then there"s really no debate to be had - especially if Des isn"t being paid for taking the time out to run APAT - I always assumed he got paid as part of sponsorship with Blue Square. Maybe WE should all get Des & Tighty medals to present at the national instead of vice versa!

[Tony1Leg]

I know this can't happen this season but my idea is this.

bring back regional's (winning seats for nationals)

one extra Saturday at your local casino (same as above without medals/points)

one extra $5 re-buy qualifier on BSq say the mon. night same week as the national

any seats still left after the above 1st come 1st served on the day!
If you REALY want to play and you've missed all the above, get there
REALY early!

regarding the one extra saturday I'm sure there would be enough members willing
to give up one saturday to TD this. (if you have 6 or 7 willing members from each
area you would only have to TD once a year) I think it's unfair to ask Des &Co. to
give up any more free time

regarding the extra BSq event if there's only 4 or 5 seats left then scrap it and it's 1st come.. If there is too much money in the pot then chop it.
Eg.. 1-16 = seat  17-20 = $200

Just an idea of mine as well as "any member with a limb missing should auto-qualify"