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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2009, 01:48:11 AM »
ty for all ur comments i folded

the sb showed :as: td

the instant call bb showed qc ks  ???

the flop  ad1 jd 8c nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

i would have won

thank you for all ur comments

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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2009, 03:58:29 AM »

I"d probably shove it all-in to be honest.  Essentially this is going to be your remaining 11,200 (13,000- 1,800) to win 21,800 (SB"s 8,000, BB"s 12,000 assume he"s pot committed - and your initial raise of 1,800) so nearly a 2/1.  There"s only QQ, KK, AA that beat you, anything else you"re in great shape.  Even if they HAVE one of those three over-pairs you"ll suck out on them 20% of the time anyhoo.

Granted I"m factoring into this decision that"s it"s a £12 buy-in and only two places get paid.  I assume the blinds are 15-20 minutes?  If you win this pot you knock two players out plus the chips you have now will give you license to steal anything not tied down...so indirectly it"s a potential pot of even more than 21,800.  You only live once man, shove it in... BANZAI DANIEL SAN!!!


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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2009, 10:23:52 AM »
Againts two players with these specific hands the JJ will only win <40% regardless of the Flop!

So IMO Fold for reasons stated earlier!

Of course you could shove and then flop a set as you would have - but you made the right decison at this time! (preflop)
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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2009, 15:37:52 PM »

Againts two players with these specific hands the JJ will only win <40% regardless of the Flop!

So IMO Fold for reasons stated earlier!

Of course you could shove and then flop a set as you would have - but you made the right decison at this time! (preflop)


There"s more to a hand of poker than just that one probability calculation though isn"t there. Reducing poker to a few calculations is quite depressing really.  It"s a good guide but it doesn"t mean it"s the only piece of information you should base your decision on. 

I think there"s an over reliance on the mathematics of poker hands. Probably a consequence of playing online too much.  Sometimes it"s worth gambling even when the odds don"t appear to be in your favour if other factors compensate for the unfavourable odds.

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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2009, 15:45:14 PM »
LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.
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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2009, 16:42:42 PM »

LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.


Was that aimed at me or a previous poster?  I"m a Gooner.

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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2009, 17:14:47 PM »
Oh sorry I thought you were a koppite. :-\
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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2009, 17:50:34 PM »


LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.


Was that aimed at me or a previous poster?  I"m a Gooner.


I"m a gooner too!!!

I understand that there is a need to gamble - but I would find a better spot!!

Arshavin?? he better be worth the Aggro!
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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2009, 18:05:53 PM »



LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.


Was that aimed at me or a previous poster?  I"m a Gooner.


I"m a gooner too!!!

I understand that there is a need to gamble - but I would find a better spot!!

Arshavin?? he better be worth the Aggro!


A 28 year old who hasn"t played for 2 months wasn"t the answer I"d have come up with for this season"s problems, but I still trust Arsene Wenger.  Reminds me a bit of Tomas Rosicky though; promising player, bit of a mess trying to get him over here,  played a couple of games then disappeared off the face of the Earth.  

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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2009, 00:24:18 AM »




LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.


Was that aimed at me or a previous poster?  I"m a Gooner.


I"m a gooner too!!!

I understand that there is a need to gamble - but I would find a better spot!!

Arshavin?? he better be worth the Aggro!


A 28 year old who hasn"t played for 2 months wasn"t the answer I"d have come up with for this season"s problems, but I still trust Arsene Wenger.  Reminds me a bit of Tomas Rosicky though; promising player, bit of a mess trying to get him over here,  played a couple of games then disappeared off the face of the Earth. 


i think wenger has lost the plot imo. van persie plays in arshavins position...where is  your centre mid that can dominate and tackle, your defenders that can, well, defend!

back on the subject in hand, i think it depends on how you feel at the table, if you feel you can outplay the players then that and the math ( i think it is closer to 35%) then fold. if not then it is a good spot to get lucky, as the prizes were top heavy
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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2009, 17:28:37 PM »
With such a top-heavy payout you very much have to play for 1st and this is a very good spot to more than double up.  Yes, there"s a decent chance you bust here but it terms of equity it is almost definitely a +EV shove since you"re miles ahead of SBs range and probably slightly ahead of BBs range also (I think 88+, AT+, KQ is not unreasonable).

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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2009, 22:29:30 PM »
So.........who won?

JJ hate it, the hand that"s got me busted more often than any other 2 starting cards. Good fold IMO
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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2009, 22:42:00 PM »

So.........who won?

JJ hate it, the hand that"s got me busted more often than any other 2 starting cards. Good fold IMO


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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2009, 22:56:36 PM »


So.........who won?

JJ hate it, the hand that"s got me busted more often than any other 2 starting cards. Good fold IMO


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Re: would you call this hand
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2009, 15:03:50 PM »


fold all day long..  if it were one person I may think about the call but not 2!